Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / September 2004
[OT ?] Constipation/ Laxatives
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J - 22 Sep 2004 21:25 GMT I don't know the source of this info, so FWIW J Description Oral laxatives are medicines taken by mouth to encourage bowel movements to relieve constipation.
There are several different types of oral laxatives and they work in different ways. Since directions for use are different for each type, it is important to know which one you are taking. The different types of oral laxatives include:
Bulk-formers Bulk-forming laxatives are not digested but absorb liquid in the intestines and swell to form a soft, bulky stool. The bowel is then stimulated normally by the presence of the bulky mass. Some bulk-forming laxatives, like psyllium and polycarbophil, may be prescribed by your doctor to treat diarrhea.
Hyperosmotics Hyperosmotic laxatives encourage bowel movements by drawing water into the bowel from surrounding body tissues. This provides a soft stool mass and increased bowel action.
There are three types of hyperosmotic laxatives taken by mouththe saline, the lactulose , and the polymer types. The saline type is often called ``salts.'' They are used for rapid emptying of the lower intestine and bowel. They are not used for long-term or repeated correction of constipation. With smaller doses than those used for the laxative effect, some saline laxatives are used as antacids. The information that follows applies only to their use as laxatives. Sodium phosphate may also be prescribed for other conditions as determined by your doctor.
The lactulose type is a special sugar-like laxative that works the same way as the saline type. However, it produces results much more slowly and is often used for long-term treatment of chronic constipation. Lactulose may sometimes be used in the treatment of certain medical conditions to reduce the amount of ammonia in the blood. It is available only with your doctor's prescription.
The polymer type is a polyglycol (polyethylene glycol), a large molecule that causes water to be retained in the stool; this will soften the stool and increase the number of bowel movements. It is used for short periods of time to treat constipation.
Lubricants Lubricant laxatives, such as mineral oil, taken by mouth encourage bowel movements by coating the bowel and the stool mass with a waterproof film. This keeps moisture in the stool. The stool remains soft and its passage is made easier.
Stimulants Stimulant laxatives, also known as contact laxatives, encourage bowel movements by acting on the intestinal wall. They increase the muscle contractions that move along the stool mass. Stimulant laxatives are a popular type of laxative for self-treatment. However, they also are more likely to cause side effects. One of the stimulant laxatives, dehydrocholic acid, may also be used for treating certain conditions of the biliary tract.
Stool softeners (emollients) Stool softeners encourage bowel movements by helping liquids mix into the stool and prevent dry, hard stool masses. This type of laxative has been said not to cause a bowel movement but instead allows the patient to have a bowel movement without straining.
Combinations There are many products that you can buy for constipation that contain more than one type of laxative. For example, a product may contain both a stool softener and a stimulant laxative. In general, combination products may be more likely to cause side effects because of the multiple ingredients. In addition, they may not offer any advantage over products containing only one type of laxative. If you are taking a combination laxative, make certain you know the proper use and precautions for each of the different ingredients.
Most laxatives (except saline laxatives) may be used to provide relief: during pregnancy. for a few days after giving birth. during preparation for examination or surgery. for constipation of bedfast patients. for constipation caused by other medicines. following surgery when straining should be avoided. following a period of poor eating habits or a lack of physical exercise in
order to develop normal bowel function (bulk-forming laxatives only). for some medical conditions that may be made worse by straining, for example: Heart disease Hemorrhoids Hernia (rupture) High blood pressure (hypertension) History of stroke
Saline laxatives have more limited uses and may be used to provide rapid results: during preparation for examination or surgery. for elimination of food or drugs from the body in cases of poisoning or overdose. for simple constipation that happens on occasion (although another type of laxative may be preferred). in supplying a fresh stool sample for diagnosis
bc - 22 Sep 2004 23:56 GMT > I don't know the source of this info, so FWIW > J Prune juice. Works for me.
bc
Alayne - 23 Sep 2004 07:32 GMT > > I don't know the source of this info, so FWIW > > J > > Prune juice. Works for me. > > bc And Tony used to have a "pork chop poo"!
Hugs All
Alayne
Socks - 23 Sep 2004 12:04 GMT "Alayne" <totallyfake@emailaddress.com> wrote in news:N5u4d.84$pg4.46 @newsfe6-gui.ntli.net:
>> > I don't know the source of this info, so FWIW >> > J [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Alayne Any pharmacy attached to an oncology center is going to be used to seeing people with morphine induced constipation and have just the otc drugs to deal with it.
I had it bad for awhile. I take 250 mg of Docusate Sodium twice daily, and 17.2 mg of Senna Concentrate once daily in the morning. When it gets worse, I double up on the Senna, still all in one dose. Docusate softens. Senna creates the urge, generally within 6 hours.
As with any drug, make sure your onc knows about it. My onc recommended this solution to me.
J - 24 Sep 2004 11:43 GMT > "bc" <bcbcbc@checkinthemail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And Tony used to have a "pork chop poo"! Gad, you're funny, Alayne. Do you make these phrases up? Is that a description of his stool or something he ate to help with the constipation? I assume the former (but not sure). The reason I ask is I'm not familiar with that phrase, so I searched Google and only got one "hit" http://houston.citysearch.com/profile/9831728/ It's on the menu <g>. They've even got "Sock it to me cake" <smile>
J
Alayne - 24 Sep 2004 16:25 GMT > > "bc" <bcbcbc@checkinthemail.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > J No, I didn't make it up - honest!!
Cos of the steroids he used to have quite an appetite and sometimes for breakfast he would indeed have a pork chop, once that had gone through his system, nature took it's course and he would need a "pork chop poo"! (which is was we called it!!)
It was far more enjoyable and pleasant than the medications that Len used to give him in the AR (but I am sure that Len was fixated with bowel movements anyway!)
Hugs Petal
Alayne
J - 26 Sep 2004 09:07 GMT > "J" <tdemark@privacy.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > <snip> > No, I didn't make it up - honest!! did too, did too, it's not even in my dictionary ! <smile>
> Cos of the steroids he used to have quite an appetite and sometimes for > breakfast he would indeed have a pork chop, once that had gone through his > system, nature took it's course and he would need a "pork chop poo"! (which > is was we called it!!) Well, now I get it. It's both a food (constipation treatment) and description of BM's...
> It was far more enjoyable and pleasant than the medications that Len used to > give him in the AR (but I am sure that Len was fixated with bowel movements > anyway!) LOL is there a treatment for Len's fixation? Hugs Alayne J
Alayne - 26 Sep 2004 11:03 GMT > > "J" <tdemark@privacy.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > did too, did too, it's not even in my dictionary ! <smile> nah I didn't, nah I didn't..... (makes me smile too when I think of all my man's little quirks!!)
> > Cos of the steroids he used to have quite an appetite and sometimes for > > breakfast he would indeed have a pork chop, once that had gone through his [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Well, now I get it. It's both a food (constipation treatment) and description of > BM's... yow, someone "understands" me at last!
> > It was far more enjoyable and pleasant than the medications that Len used to > > give him in the AR (but I am sure that Len was fixated with bowel movements [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Hugs Alayne > J Len was a cool bloke actually, if a bit fixated! His belief (and wisely so) was that if you are constipated then you are chocker with waste and that in turn can make you feel unwell and add to your woes, he couldn't cure Tony's cancer, but he did take great to treat the other ailments.
Hugs
Alayne
Michele - 26 Sep 2004 04:43 GMT >> "bc" <bcbcbc@checkinthemail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >J I just posted here for the first time a few days ago to ask about help for my mother-in-law that was recently diagnosed with lung cancer. The subject line caught my eye though and I thought maybe I could offer some help out with this particular topic. As a chronic-pain patient who has had to deal with constipation from taking opiates, I can offer the following information supplied by a wonderful Dr. who used to post on alt.support.chonic-pain. He gives his pain patients a handout that is very detailed about avoiding constitpation. His recommendations:
1. Milk of Magnesia? Take 2 tablespoons of this every night before going to bed. If you do not have a bowel movement the following morning, then you are to take another 2 tablespoons that morning. This is to be followed that evening by 2 more tablespoons. Normally, you will have a response to the Milk of Magnesia? by the second or third dose.
2. Dulcolax? Take one capsule at night before going to bed. If you do not have a bowel movement the following morning, then you are to take another one that morning. This is to be followed by another capsule that night. Again, you should have a response to the Dulcolax? by the second or third dose.
3. Sennakot? (or senna) Take 2 capsules at night before going to bed. If you do not have a bowel movement the following morning, then you are to take another two capsules that morning. This is to be followed by another two capsules that night. Again, you should have a response to the Sennakot? by the second or third dose.
If you ever "get behind" on your bowel movements (common during the first month of therapy as you get used to the medications and the active bowel regimen), then you should not "wait it out" and hope for the best. Drastic measures are needed to clean your bowels out and to then "start over." This can be accomplished by using magnesium citrate. This is sold over the counter at any pharmacy, in the laxative section, in a green glass bottle. This is a very powerful active laxative, aka "purgative," and should be taken in the following manner. Drink the entire bottle in one sitting. Just pour it into a cup and drink it. It may taste better if it is served chilled. It tastes like lemon-lime soda with a salty flavor. Once you have drank it, it will take anywhere from 1 hour to 12 hours to work. As it moves through your bowels, your abdomen will gurgle and you will feel and hear a lot of movement. This is normal and to be expected. Please do yourself a favor and do not go anywhere away from a nearby toilet until after the purgative has emptied your bowels. Once that is done, restart your previous, preferred laxative from the choices I had listed above. If you have had to do this twice, strongly consider changing your laxative choice to a different one.
We joke about this all of the time, but it is no laughing matter to be constipated with a condition known as Opioid Bowel Syndrome and needing to be digitally disimpacted by a doctor or a nurse. So please take this as seriously as you do your pain relievers.
Mag citrate and MOM and Sennakot and Dulcolax are all over the counter and lactulose is incredibly expensive (about $70 for an 8 oz bottle). Sorbitol can help to and is cheaper BUT you must be regular before you start using it. The gas it can cause will make you want to die if things get stuck.
If you are still reading after all of that you must have a real need to know about how to relieve constipation so here's one more trick that you can use to stay regular. It is a recipe for a paste that was also posted on the chronic pain group. It really works well (and doesn't taste half bad either).
Recipe:
DOSE: 1-2 Tablespoons per day
1 pound prunes 1 pound raisins 1 pound figs 4 oz. senna tea (health food store.. it looks like a bunch of leaves) 1 cup brown sugar 1 cup lemon juice
1. Prepare tea..use about 2 1/2 cups boiled water added to tea and steep 5 minutes.
2. Strain tea to remove tea leaves and add only 1 pint tea to a large pot, then add fruit.
3. Boil fruit and tea for 5 minutes.
4. Remove from heat and add sugar and lemon juice. Allow to cool.
5. Use mixer, blender or food processor to blend fruit mixture into smooth paste.
6. Place in plastic container and place in freezer. (Paste will not freeze but will keep forever in freezer.)
7. Spoon out what you require each day. Enjoy eating it straight off the spoon.
Spread it on toast or add hot water and make a drink.
If the fruit paste is not working (you are not having bowel movements), then you need to increase the amount of fruit paste you are taking. On the other hand...if you have very loose stools then you need to cut down on the amount of fruit paste you are taking. Perhaps even taking it every other day works.
Best wishes,
Michele
J - 26 Sep 2004 10:39 GMT > I just posted here for the first time a few days ago to ask about help for > my mother-in-law that was recently diagnosed with lung cancer. The subject [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Michele Thanks Michele, I've saved that. I meant to mention, if we can be of help or you just want a hug, here's a great place to be. Can't remember if I mentioned, Mike R's in Australia (our expert in "hospice" care) and Steph's a radiation oncologist in Canada. There's been at least one other doctor here, but he had to stop posting due to "medical liability issues".
Is that what happened with yours on the other newsgroup? I don't read that a.s.c.p., but I do see some crossposts from there to other newsgroups. (when I click on some other newsgroups)
Alayne's usually around here and she's a soft place to land. Her husband died of a brain tumour, just over a year ago and she was the main caregiver, so use her anytime. She's in UK and she's been there, done that, on the caregiving and certainly a friendly shoulder to lean on. Hugs J
Alayne - 26 Sep 2004 20:30 GMT > > I just posted here for the first time a few days ago to ask about help for > > my mother-in-law that was recently diagnosed with lung cancer. The subject [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Hugs > J I sure am here Michele, arms open in readiness, been a little distracted lately with a fund-raising issue, but nearly back on board. I have learnt the value of a simply hug during my husband's illness and during my bereavement and am more than willing to offer many in return.
Hugs
Alayne
Bob Allison - 26 Sep 2004 22:31 GMT Keep a Fleet ennema on hand for those tough times. Worked for me.
Bob
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Michele - 28 Sep 2004 00:21 GMT >I sure am here Michele, arms open in readiness, been a little distracted >lately with a fund-raising issue, but nearly back on board. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Alayne Thank you Alayne. I'm so sorry about the loss of your husband. I don't know how something like that must feel, but I imagine it is a terrible thing to go through. I'm very hopeful that my mother-in-law will make a full recovery. She is doing very well so far. She is up and walking after a thoracotomy last Wednesday. She will be discharged from the hospital tomorrow. We are still waiting on pathology results. Once we get that news we will know what we are facing.
Cancer is an awful disease - it seems that we all know someone who has had it, battled it and some who lost the battle. I lost both grandparents on my Mom's side to asbestos related lung cancer. I never got to meet my grandfather. He worked at Johns-Manville in NJ directly with asbestos fibers and died in his early 50's. My grandmother breathed in the dust from his clothing that she washed and died a few years after him. It makes me so angry to read about how the senoir level people at that company knew asbestos was dangerous and did nothing to protect or even warn their workers about it. My mother saw both parents die and is so afraid of cancer. She too has some minor lung damage but moved out early enough to escape the worst effects. My husband and I lost one of our best friends to lymphoma at age 33. After his inital diagnosis, he stayed with us for a few weeks and we made the most of our time together. He was told he could never have children after his treatments, but he did. Sadly his son (our god son) was only 6 months old when he died.
Thanks again for the warm welcome. I wish you all the best!
Michele
Alayne - 28 Sep 2004 07:40 GMT > Thank you Alayne. I'm so sorry about the loss of your husband. I don't > know how something like that must feel, but I imagine it is a terrible thing [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Michele Good to hear that your mother-in-law is doing well and waiting for discharge. Fingers and toes crossed that all goes well for her.
Yes, cancer is an awful disease and one that I knew nothing about a couple of years ago. I think that the biggest shock of all is the sense of mortality, I have only experienced loss due to old age really, although my grandad also died of asbestosis (due to working 40 years in a factory).
On the upside though, it does make you appreciate what you do have and I have such feelings of empathy towards others now. Some of my "deepest" conversations have been here on this ng and I may even be a little more tolerant of my childrens squabbles!! I no longer take anything for granted and take each and every day as it comes.
Hugs Michele - know I am always on hand for a chat if needed.
Alayne
RPM1 - 29 Sep 2004 10:54 GMT "J"
> It's on the menu <g>. They've even got "Sock it to me cake" <smile> I make a version of "Sock it to me cake" for my patient (and me). It's a sugar-free, almond flour, flax and hemp seed poundcake. It's bursting with fiber rich goodness. ;-) Wash it down with a stiff cuppa joe... Bingo!
Ruth CM
J - 30 Sep 2004 10:13 GMT > I make a version of "Sock it to me cake" for my > patient (and me). It's a sugar-free, almond flour, > flax and hemp seed poundcake. It's bursting with > fiber rich goodness. ;-) Wash it down with a stiff > cuppa joe... Bingo! Sounds delicious, Ruth (I didn't reply yesterday, because just reading your post made me hungry, so I went and ate) <smile> What is it? Over 1,000 ways to use hemp? I seem to recall (hearing about) a car manufacturer making seatcovers out of woven hemp? J
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