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J - 22 Sep 2004 21:25 GMT
I don't know the source of this info, so FWIW
J
Description
Oral laxatives are medicines taken by mouth to encourage bowel movements
to relieve constipation.

There are several different types of oral laxatives and they work in
different ways. Since directions for use are different for each type, it
is important to know which one you are taking. The different types of oral
laxatives include:

Bulk-formers
Bulk-forming laxatives are not digested but absorb liquid in the
intestines and swell to form a soft, bulky stool. The bowel is then
stimulated normally by the presence of the bulky mass. Some bulk-forming
laxatives, like
psyllium and polycarbophil, may be prescribed by your doctor to treat
diarrhea.

Hyperosmotics
Hyperosmotic laxatives encourage bowel movements by drawing water into the
bowel from surrounding body tissues. This provides a soft stool mass and
increased bowel action.

There are three types of hyperosmotic laxatives taken by mouth—the saline,
the lactulose , and the polymer types. The saline type is often called
``salts.'' They are used for rapid emptying of the lower intestine and
bowel. They are not used for long-term or repeated correction of
constipation. With smaller doses than those used for the laxative effect,
some saline laxatives are used as antacids. The information that follows
applies only to their use as laxatives. Sodium phosphate may also be
prescribed for other conditions as determined by your doctor.

The lactulose type is a special sugar-like laxative that works the same
way as the saline type. However, it produces results much more slowly and
is often used for long-term treatment of chronic constipation. Lactulose
may
sometimes be used in the treatment of certain medical conditions to reduce
the amount of ammonia in the blood. It is available only with your
doctor's prescription.

The polymer type is a polyglycol (polyethylene glycol), a large molecule
that causes water to be retained in the stool; this will soften the stool
and increase the number of bowel movements. It is used for short periods
of time to treat constipation.

Lubricants
Lubricant laxatives, such as mineral oil, taken by mouth encourage bowel
movements by coating the bowel and the stool mass with a waterproof film.
This keeps moisture in the stool. The stool remains soft and its passage
is made easier.

Stimulants
Stimulant laxatives, also known as contact laxatives, encourage bowel
movements by acting on the intestinal wall. They increase the muscle
contractions that move along the stool mass. Stimulant laxatives are a
popular type of laxative for self-treatment. However, they also are more
likely to cause side effects. One of the stimulant laxatives,
dehydrocholic acid, may also be used for treating certain conditions of
the biliary tract.

Stool softeners (emollients)
Stool softeners encourage bowel movements by helping liquids mix into the
stool and prevent dry, hard stool masses. This type of laxative has been
said not to cause a bowel movement but instead allows the patient to have
a
bowel movement without straining.

Combinations
There are many products that you can buy for constipation that contain
more than one type of laxative. For example, a product may contain both a
stool softener and a stimulant laxative. In general, combination products
may be
more likely to cause side effects because of the multiple ingredients. In
addition, they may not offer any advantage over products containing only
one type of laxative. If you are taking a combination laxative, make
certain you know the proper use and precautions for each of the different
ingredients.

Most laxatives (except saline laxatives) may be used to provide relief:
during pregnancy.
for a few days after giving birth.
during preparation for examination or surgery.
for constipation of bedfast patients.
for constipation caused by other medicines.
following surgery when straining should be avoided.
following a period of poor eating habits or a lack of physical exercise in

order to develop normal bowel function (bulk-forming laxatives only).
for some medical conditions that may be made worse by straining, for
example:
Heart disease
Hemorrhoids
Hernia (rupture)
High blood pressure (hypertension)
History of stroke

Saline laxatives have more limited uses and may be used to provide rapid
results:
during preparation for examination or surgery.
for elimination of food or drugs from the body in cases of poisoning or
overdose.
for simple constipation that happens on occasion (although another type of
laxative may be preferred).
in supplying a fresh stool sample for diagnosis
bc - 22 Sep 2004 23:56 GMT
> I don't know the source of this info, so FWIW
> J

Prune juice. Works for me.

bc
Alayne - 23 Sep 2004 07:32 GMT
> > I don't know the source of this info, so FWIW
> > J
>
> Prune juice. Works for me.
>
> bc

And Tony used to have a "pork chop poo"!

Hugs All

Alayne
Socks - 23 Sep 2004 12:04 GMT
"Alayne" <totallyfake@emailaddress.com> wrote in news:N5u4d.84$pg4.46
@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net:

>> > I don't know the source of this info, so FWIW
>> > J
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>
> Alayne

Any pharmacy attached to an oncology center is going to be used to seeing
people with morphine induced constipation and have just the otc drugs to
deal with it.

I had it bad for awhile.  I take 250 mg of Docusate Sodium twice daily, and  
17.2 mg of Senna Concentrate once daily in the morning.  When it gets
worse, I double up on the Senna, still all in one dose.  Docusate softens.
Senna creates the urge, generally within 6 hours.

As with any drug, make sure your onc knows about it.  My onc recommended
this solution to me.
J - 24 Sep 2004 11:43 GMT
> "bc" <bcbcbc@checkinthemail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> And Tony used to have a "pork chop poo"!

Gad, you're funny, Alayne.
Do you make these phrases up?
Is that a description of his stool or something he ate to help with the
constipation?  I assume the former (but not sure).
The reason I ask is I'm not familiar with that phrase, so I searched
Google and only got one "hit"
http://houston.citysearch.com/profile/9831728/
It's on the menu <g>. They've even got "Sock it to me cake" <smile>

J
Alayne - 24 Sep 2004 16:25 GMT
> > "bc" <bcbcbc@checkinthemail.com> wrote in message
> >
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>
> J

No, I didn't make it up - honest!!

Cos of the steroids he used to have quite an appetite and sometimes for
breakfast he would indeed have a pork chop, once that had gone through his
system, nature took it's course and he would need a "pork chop poo"! (which
is was we called it!!)

It was far more enjoyable and pleasant than the medications that Len used to
give him in the AR (but I am sure that Len was fixated with bowel movements
anyway!)

Hugs Petal

Alayne
J - 26 Sep 2004 09:07 GMT
> "J" <tdemark@privacy.net> wrote in message
>
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> <snip>
> No, I didn't make it up - honest!!

did too, did too, it's not even in my dictionary ! <smile>

> Cos of the steroids he used to have quite an appetite and sometimes for
> breakfast he would indeed have a pork chop, once that had gone through his
> system, nature took it's course and he would need a "pork chop poo"! (which
> is was we called it!!)

Well, now I get it. It's both a food (constipation treatment) and description of
BM's...

> It was far more enjoyable and pleasant than the medications that Len used to
> give him in the AR (but I am sure that Len was fixated with bowel movements
> anyway!)

LOL
is there a treatment for Len's fixation?
Hugs Alayne
J
Alayne - 26 Sep 2004 11:03 GMT
> > "J" <tdemark@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >
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>
> did too, did too, it's not even in my dictionary ! <smile>

nah I didn't, nah I didn't..... (makes me smile too when I think of all my
man's little quirks!!)

> > Cos of the steroids he used to have quite an appetite and sometimes for
> > breakfast he would indeed have a pork chop, once that had gone through his
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Well, now I get it. It's both a food (constipation treatment) and description of
> BM's...

yow, someone "understands" me at last!

> > It was far more enjoyable and pleasant than the medications that Len used to
> > give him in the AR (but I am sure that Len was fixated with bowel movements
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Hugs Alayne
> J

Len was a cool bloke actually, if a bit fixated!  His belief (and wisely so)
was that if you are constipated then you are chocker with waste and that in
turn can make you feel unwell and add to your woes, he couldn't cure Tony's
cancer, but he did take great to treat the other ailments.

Hugs

Alayne
Michele - 26 Sep 2004 04:43 GMT
>> "bc" <bcbcbc@checkinthemail.com> wrote in message
>>
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>
>J

I just posted here for the first time a few days ago to ask about help for
my mother-in-law that was recently diagnosed with lung cancer.  The subject
line caught my eye though and I thought maybe I could offer some help out
with this particular topic.
As a chronic-pain patient who has had to deal with constipation from taking
opiates, I can offer the following information supplied by a wonderful Dr.
who used to post on alt.support.chonic-pain.  He gives his pain patients a
handout that is very detailed about avoiding constitpation.
His recommendations:

1. Milk of Magnesia?
Take 2 tablespoons of this every night before going to bed.  If you do not
have a bowel movement the following morning, then you are to take another 2
tablespoons that morning.  This is to be followed that evening by 2 more
tablespoons.  Normally, you will have a response to the Milk of Magnesia? by
the second or third dose.

2. Dulcolax?
Take one capsule at night before going to bed.  If you do not have a bowel
movement the following morning, then you are to take another one that
morning.  This is to be followed by another capsule that night.  Again, you
should have a response to the Dulcolax? by the second or third dose.

3. Sennakot? (or senna)
Take 2 capsules at night before going to bed.  If you do not have a bowel
movement the following morning, then you are to take another two capsules
that morning.  This is to be followed by another two capsules that night.
Again, you should have a response to the Sennakot? by the second or third
dose.

If you ever "get behind" on your bowel movements (common during the first
month of therapy as you get used to the medications and the active bowel
regimen), then you should not "wait it out" and hope for the best.  Drastic
measures are needed to clean your bowels out and to then "start over."  This
can be accomplished by using magnesium citrate.  This is sold over the
counter at any pharmacy, in the laxative section, in a green glass bottle.
This is a very powerful active laxative, aka "purgative," and should be
taken in the following manner.  Drink the entire bottle in one sitting.
Just pour it into a cup and drink it.  It may taste better if it is served
chilled.  It tastes like lemon-lime soda with a salty flavor.  Once you have
drank it, it will take anywhere from 1 hour to 12 hours to work.  As it
moves through your bowels, your abdomen will gurgle and you will feel and
hear a lot of movement.  This is normal and to be expected.  Please do
yourself a favor and do not go anywhere away from a nearby toilet until
after the purgative has emptied your bowels.  Once that is done, restart
your previous, preferred laxative from the choices I had listed above.  If
you have had to do this twice, strongly consider changing your laxative
choice to a different one.

We joke about this all of the time, but it is no laughing matter to be
constipated with a condition known as Opioid Bowel Syndrome and needing to
be digitally disimpacted by a doctor or a nurse.  So please take this as
seriously as you do your pain relievers.

Mag citrate and MOM and Sennakot and Dulcolax are all over the counter and
lactulose is incredibly expensive (about $70 for an 8 oz bottle).  Sorbitol
can help to and is cheaper BUT you must be regular before you start using
it.  The gas it can cause will make you want to die if things get stuck.

If you are still reading after all of that you must have a real need to know
about how to relieve constipation so here's one more trick that you can use
to stay regular.  It is a recipe for a paste that was also posted on the
chronic pain group.  It really works well (and doesn't taste half bad
either).

Recipe:

DOSE: 1-2 Tablespoons per day

1 pound prunes
1 pound raisins
1 pound figs
4 oz. senna tea (health food store.. it looks like a bunch of leaves)
1 cup brown sugar
1 cup lemon juice

1. Prepare tea..use about 2 1/2 cups boiled water added to tea and steep 5
minutes.

2. Strain tea to remove tea leaves and add only 1 pint tea to a large pot,
then
add fruit.

3. Boil fruit and tea for 5 minutes.

4. Remove from heat and add sugar and lemon juice. Allow to cool.

5. Use mixer, blender or food processor to blend fruit mixture into smooth
paste.

6. Place in plastic container and place in freezer. (Paste will not freeze
but
will keep forever in freezer.)

7. Spoon out what you require each day.
Enjoy eating it straight off the spoon.

Spread it on toast or add hot water and make a drink.

If the fruit paste is not working (you are not having bowel movements), then
you need to increase the amount of fruit paste you are taking. On the other
hand...if you have very loose stools then you need to cut down on the amount
of
fruit paste you are taking. Perhaps even taking it every other day works.

Best wishes,

Michele
J - 26 Sep 2004 10:39 GMT
> I just posted here for the first time a few days ago to ask about help for
> my mother-in-law that was recently diagnosed with lung cancer.  The subject
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Michele

Thanks Michele, I've saved that.
I meant to mention, if we can be of help or you just want a hug, here's a great
place to be.
Can't remember if I mentioned, Mike R's in Australia (our expert in "hospice"
care) and Steph's a radiation oncologist in Canada.  There's been at least one
other doctor here, but he had to stop posting due to "medical liability issues".

Is that what happened with yours on the other newsgroup?  I don't read that
a.s.c.p., but I do see some crossposts from there to other newsgroups. (when I
click on some other newsgroups)

Alayne's usually around here and she's a soft place to land.
Her husband died of a brain tumour, just over a year ago and she was the main
caregiver, so use her anytime.
She's in UK and  she's been there, done that, on the caregiving and certainly a
friendly shoulder to lean on.
Hugs
J
Alayne - 26 Sep 2004 20:30 GMT
> > I just posted here for the first time a few days ago to ask about help for
> > my mother-in-law that was recently diagnosed with lung cancer.  The subject
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> Hugs
> J

I sure am here Michele, arms open in readiness, been a little distracted
lately with a fund-raising issue, but nearly back on board.
I have learnt the value of a simply hug during my husband's illness and
during my bereavement and am more than willing to offer many in return.

Hugs

Alayne
Bob Allison - 26 Sep 2004 22:31 GMT
Keep a Fleet ennema on hand for those tough times.  Worked for me.

Bob

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Michele - 28 Sep 2004 00:21 GMT
>I sure am here Michele, arms open in readiness, been a little distracted
>lately with a fund-raising issue, but nearly back on board.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Alayne

Thank you Alayne.  I'm so sorry about the loss of your husband.  I don't
know how something like that must feel, but I imagine it is a terrible thing
to go through.  I'm very hopeful that my mother-in-law will make a full
recovery.  She is doing very well so far. She is up and walking after a
thoracotomy last Wednesday. She will be discharged from the hospital
tomorrow.  We are still waiting on pathology results.  Once we get that news
we will know what we are facing.

Cancer is an awful disease - it seems that we all know someone who has had
it, battled it and some who lost the battle.  I lost both grandparents on my
Mom's side to asbestos related lung cancer.  I never got to meet my
grandfather.  He worked at Johns-Manville in NJ directly with asbestos
fibers and died in his early 50's. My grandmother breathed in the dust from
his clothing that she washed and died a few years after him. It makes me so
angry to read about how the senoir level people at that company knew
asbestos was dangerous and did nothing to protect or even warn their workers
about it.  My mother saw both parents die and is so afraid of cancer.  She
too has some minor lung damage but moved out early enough to escape the
worst effects.  My husband and I lost one of our best friends to lymphoma at
age 33. After his inital diagnosis, he stayed with us for a few weeks and we
made the most of our time together.  He was told he could never have
children after his treatments, but he did.  Sadly his son (our god son) was
only 6 months old when he died.

Thanks again for the warm welcome.  I wish you all the best!

Michele
Alayne - 28 Sep 2004 07:40 GMT
> Thank you Alayne.  I'm so sorry about the loss of your husband.  I don't
> know how something like that must feel, but I imagine it is a terrible thing
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>
> Michele

Good to hear that your mother-in-law is doing well and waiting for
discharge.  Fingers and toes crossed that all goes well for her.

Yes, cancer is an awful disease and one that I knew nothing about a couple
of years ago.  I think that the biggest shock of all is the sense of
mortality, I have only experienced loss due to old age really, although my
grandad also died of asbestosis (due to working 40 years in a factory).

On the upside though, it does make you appreciate what you do have and I
have such feelings of empathy towards others now.  Some of my "deepest"
conversations have been here on this ng and I may even be a little more
tolerant of my childrens squabbles!!  I no longer take anything for granted
and take each and every day as it comes.

Hugs Michele - know I am always on hand for a chat if needed.

Alayne
RPM1 - 29 Sep 2004 10:54 GMT
"J"
> It's on the menu <g>. They've even got "Sock it to me cake" <smile>

I make a version of "Sock it to me cake" for my
patient (and me).  It's a sugar-free, almond flour,
flax and hemp seed poundcake.  It's bursting with
fiber rich goodness.  ;-)  Wash it down with a stiff
cuppa joe... Bingo!

Ruth CM
J - 30 Sep 2004 10:13 GMT
> I make a version of "Sock it to me cake" for my
> patient (and me).  It's a sugar-free, almond flour,
> flax and hemp seed poundcake.  It's bursting with
> fiber rich goodness.  ;-)  Wash it down with a stiff
> cuppa joe... Bingo!

Sounds delicious, Ruth
(I didn't reply yesterday, because just reading your post made me hungry,
so I went and ate) <smile>
What is it? Over 1,000 ways to use hemp?
I seem to recall (hearing about) a car manufacturer making seatcovers out
of woven hemp?
J
 
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