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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / May 2004CRS and weight loss
Before I was diagnosed with CRC (stage 4) I kept my weight down by jogging about 25 miles per week. At that activity level I could even eat big bowls of ice cream without any change in my weight. If I curtailed my diet at that time, I'd start loosing weight immediately. Anyway, now I eat fairly well, 3 solid meals but get NO exercise whatsoever. My weight is slowly going down. My question is, Is this normal? I know I can probably reverse this by adding a lot of ensure (yuk), but I'm just wondering if weight loss is associated not with poor appetite, but with the cancer itself. Like does it change the body's fat-burning process, or do the tumors steal the nourishment, etc. Thanks. _________________________________ "Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and oxaliplatin for thy stomach's sake." -- 1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted) >Before I was diagnosed with CRC (stage 4) I kept my weight down by >jogging about 25 miles per week. At that activity level I could even [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >"Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and oxaliplatin for thy stomach's sake." -- 1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted) Joe Ever try smoothies, you can calorie pile them and pile on the weight, the do sell yogurt smoothies already made or break out the blender and mix it up, it will put the weight on you. Frank (aka) "stew" > Before I was diagnosed with CRC (stage 4) I kept my weight down by > jogging about 25 miles per week. At that activity level I could even [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > (yuk), but I'm just wondering if weight loss is associated not with > poor appetite, but with the cancer itself. Hi Joe, I think Steph said yes to the above (sometime in the recent past). My friend's father lost weight during the end months of his life. He'd been diagnosed late with CRC because his doctor said "you can't possibly have colon cancer because you haven't lost weight". This was some 18 years ago. Hopefully the doctor has learned his lesson. If it's the cancer, there may not be much you can do. One poster's husband was doing "parental nutrition" which if I recall, required staying in hospital. > Like does it change the > body's fat-burning process, or do the tumors steal the nourishment, > etc. I thought Steph and others mentoned "glucose" (so simple starches maybe like white bread might be worse). I'm wondering why you're asking about fats. I hope you're not "fat loading" trying to regain weight? Mom was a nurse and years ago mentioned that fats can make the foods transit faster through the gastro system. And that poor absorption of foods/nutrients could occur. (I don't know if she was right or wrong about that). How bad is the weight loss now? and how do you feel that it's affecting you? Perhaps a nutritionist at a cancer hospital could help? Also if you think you might deficient in some vitamins or minerals, there are some (I think) that can be checked in the bloodwork. (but not all can, is my understanding). Hope to hear more or perhaps others have suggestions. Best, J > Before I was diagnosed with CRC (stage 4) I kept my weight down by > jogging about 25 miles per week. At that activity level I could even [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks. Joe, where are you from? If you mentioned it in earlier posts, I don't remember. Pulling for you, Trish >> Before I was diagnosed with CRC (stage 4) I kept my weight down by >> jogging about 25 miles per week. At that activity level I could even [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Pulling for you, >Trish S. NJ. Getting my chemo at Univ of PA. I guess what I was getting at is that my body changed. Whereas it took constant exercise to keep my weight at a normal 170, now I'm getting no exercise and it's still at 170. It drops significantly, like about 2lbs per week unless I bulk up on carbos and sugars. If I don't do that then the weight starts plummeting and it's hard to put back on. (Nice problem to have, eh?) I'm a little bit afraid to try exercising again maybe power walking instead of running because I'll really drop weight then. Also the side effects of lack of appetite and nausea are beginning to be more pronounced. I'm having to force myself to eat now, although once I start, my appetite re-appears and I can usually finish my meal. _________________________________ "Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and oxaliplatin for thy stomach's sake." -- 1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted) > >Joe, where are you from? If you mentioned it in earlier posts, I don't > >remember. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > now, although once I start, my appetite re-appears and I can usually > finish my meal. I sure wish I didn't have to worry about gaining weight!! I seem to have an inactive thyroid these days.....I can fast for days, and not lose an ounce, Trish PROSURET Specialized Nutrition and Energy Beverage for People with Cancer Some people with cancer lose weight because the cancer (tumor) itself causes changes in metabolism, making it difficult to maintain body weight. Eating more food is often not enough to prevent or reverse this tumor-induced weight loss if the underlying metabolic problems are not addressed. ProSure contains eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA), an omega-3 fatty acid, which has been shown to counteract tumor-induced metabolic changes that lead to weight loss. ProSure is high in protein and calories to help meet the increased needs of people with cancer and to assist with weight and muscle gain. ProSure also contains 5g of fiber to help maintain digestive-tract health and 24 vitamins and minerals to help meet the needs of people with cancer who have a decreased food intake. Just 2 cans of ProSure are recommended daily. A clinical study among people with cancer showed that drinking ProSure as part of overall care: a.. Promoted weight gain b.. Helped build muscle c.. Increased physical activity d.. Improved quality of life e.. Increased strength in those who gained weight ProSure comes in these delicious flavors: Banana Vanilla This is from the makers of ensure. Your insurance may assist you with the cost, I know it is expensive Your oncologist sometimes may prescribe appetite stimulants. > Before I was diagnosed with CRC (stage 4) I kept my weight down by > jogging about 25 miles per week. At that activity level I could even [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > "Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and oxaliplatin for thy stomach's sake." -- 1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted) > Before I was diagnosed with CRC (stage 4) I kept my weight down by > jogging about 25 miles per week. At that activity level I could even [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > body's fat-burning process, or do the tumors steal the nourishment, > etc. Hi Joe, How severe is the weight loss? I was thinking two "longshots" (for weight loss) Diabetes Type I or thyroid. Perhaps you could ask if you've been checked for those? I'm not really sure what the tests are for Diabetes Type 1.. Best wishes, J Diabetes needs to be diagnosed by a doctor and is one of the tests performed is an elevated glucose, which is drawn every chemo session. > > Before I was diagnosed with CRC (stage 4) I kept my weight down by > > jogging about 25 miles per week. At that activity level I could even [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Best wishes, > J >> Before I was diagnosed with CRC (stage 4) I kept my weight down by >> jogging about 25 miles per week. At that activity level I could even [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Best wishes, >J No. Diabetes check found none. Thyroid is fine. They did a very full blood work early in my treatment plan and found everything else OK. In late summer 2003 I had some clinical depression issues and I stopped my running regimen which had kept me at 170 for many years. My weight started rising (No surprise there!) and in 3 months I was at the highest I'd ever been, 200 lbs. Not long after this I was diagnosed and my weight started slowly falling even before I started my first chemo in mid-Jan. I had dropped 30 lbs from OCt to Jan, and now I'm having trouble keeping it at 170. So I can't help but believe that it is the cancer that is responsible for the weight loss. I was eating well between diagnosis and first chemo and even now I can manage 3 nourishing meals, though I have to force myself somewhat.. I was just wondering if this is commonly seen among CRC patients. --Joe _________________________________ "Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and oxaliplatin for thy stomach's sake." -- 1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted) > In late summer 2003 I had some clinical depression issues and I > stopped my running regimen which had kept me at 170 for many years. My [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > --Joe The one common symptom amongst virtually all cancers and often the one that takes people to their doctor in the first place is weight loss. More than anything else it is a wasting disease so , yes, you are almost certainly right in blaming the cancer for the weught loss. MIKE |
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