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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / May 2004"Un"professional medical advice
It is pretty disturbing to see that a few peoples here are rendering medical advice to unsuspecting posters. For all I know they could very well be felons sitting in prisons trying to satisfy their egos. You know, Internet is available in many prison libraries these days - ironic - isn't it? After all there are many ex-doctors doing time in jails. In recent history, a doctor was convicted of sexually molesting his female patients on the examination table. He is serving, if my memory serves me correctly, 25 to life. There are other "ex-doctors" doing time for all sorts of crimes, i.e. drugs, medical fraud, cheating the government, practicing without a license etc. These posters have successfully created a persona for themselves here, and in my view they are being perceived as "doctors" or, at least, some sort of medical professionals. If they are genuine, medical professionals why do they hide themselves so cleverly - behind many email addresses with single alphabet names and fake email addresses. In my view, their email addresses are not only fake, they are "Weird fake". Here are examples of a couple of posters with "weird, fake" email addresses: Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer From: "J" <BlackEyes@invalid.inv> From: "J" GustyWinds@example.org From: "J" ButterCup@example.org From: "J" RobinsNest@example.net From: "J" BraveStar@example.com From: "J" ReSearch@example.net From: "J" <philomath@execulink.com> From: "Steph" steph@vancouver.island Now, someone please tell me what kind of a site is called @vancouver.island or who own a web site called @invalid.inv or who likes to be known as BlackEyes, GustyWinds, ButterCup, etc, etc.? Don't let any one tell you that they hide their identities because of SPAM, because as you know, there are literally thousand of real doctors on the Internet with legitimate email address who do not feel the need of hiding behind single alphabets or weird names and fake email addresses. Clearly, it comes down to vigilance of and by the advice seekers. These groups were meant for exchange of ideas not dispensation of medical advice. If, and, when you come across people like these, be very, very careful. These people love to post replies to your posts. Forward their info. to all state, federal, and private watchdog agencies. If you do not have the time, forward their info to MedicalWatch@myway.com . It is up to us to deny these folk any satisfaction of their egos. MedicalWatch I agree totally with your view Quackwatch.org is a good site auntie_biotic http://www.tbandu.co.uk > It is pretty disturbing to see that a few peoples here are rendering medical > advice to unsuspecting posters. For all I know they could very well be [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > MedicalWatch > I agree totally with your view > Quackwatch.org is a good site > > auntie_biotic hehehe... auntie_biotic ... J > there > are literally thousand of real doctors on the Internet with legitimate email > address who do not feel the need of hiding behind single alphabets or weird > names and fake email addresses. See sci.med and misc.health.alternative and sci.med.diseases.cancer to disprove what you say. There are pills maybe for paranoia - see your doctor. J Can I ask where @myway.com is located? What state has this URL? If you go onto the sci.meds sites, you will see for yourself that these people have actual address. And for another thing, if you actually read the posts that Steph and J write, you will see that the majority of them have internet sites to check the information out for yourself. As Bart Simpson would say "GET BENT!" S Need I say more? .... fake address and hiding behind "S" From: "Daffman" <Daffman@yeah.right.com> > Can I ask where @myway.com is located? What state has this URL? If you go > onto the sci.meds sites, you will see for yourself that these people have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "GET BENT!" > S I am not a medical professional...duh!!!! Salisha Oh yeah, and I get enough spam thank you....I have enough problems without sitting around all day blocking people from my inbox because they want to send me unsolicited emails...I really don't care for smut , porn or other forms of insulting material there and how do I know you won't sell my address to these sites. Bu-bye! S I just checked sci.med.diseses.cancer and "J"'s address shows up as "From: J <ConTender@invalid.nul>" So much for real names and addresses. You are welcome to check out http://www.myway.com and send us an email if you like. You will get the reply from us. Medical Watch > Can I ask where @myway.com is located? What state has this URL? If you go > onto the sci.meds sites, you will see for yourself that these people have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "GET BENT!" > S > I just checked sci.med.diseses.cancer What an idiot ! I meant check other newsgroups to see which doctors munge their addresses. You wouldn't even recognize a doctor on another newsgroup anyway. We'll be filtering you. Go away before you are reported to abuse@verizon.net http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/charter.html What is strictly prohibited on this newsgroup? Opportunities, business opportunities, job postings, resumes, announcements, flaming, trolling, baiting, flooding, post bombing, troublemaking, or other forms of net-abuse or abuse of alt.support.cancer newsgroup users are prohibited. J J> http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/charter.html > What is strictly prohibited on this newsgroup? > Opportunities, business opportunities, job postings, resumes, announcements, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > J I find this comical you even post this, how do I report someone like you who blocks their ID ? Or it doesn't apply to you? Alex > J> http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/charter.html > > What is strictly prohibited on this newsgroup? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I find this comical you even post this, I find you comical (actually sad and pitiful) that you seem to be baiting me and troublemaking on this newsgroup. > how do I report someone like > you who blocks their ID ? Or it doesn't apply to you? Alex take it up with Jerry (a cancer survivor), if you wish to bother him. at h2g5c7m1k9a8 at bellsouth dot net (fix the obvious) In fact, I will copy this message to him. To Jerry: Jerry, so sorry to trouble you. Alex is from the alt.support.cancer.breast newsgroup. She seems to take issue with what I am doing here. Her e-mail address is akoffman@attbi.com She has "tagged onto" a thread started by someone who is questioning me and Steph on both newsgroups. Here's the tinyurl of that posters posts. http://tinyurl.com/2hwnb I will forward his posts with full headers to you so you can see. After he posted what seems to be a portal or gateway url (which has nothing with cancer on it whatsoever), I warned him away with the alt.support.cancer Charter (see the top of this post - or the posts that I will forward to you) and now Alex is questioning me. She has also done this or similar (aligning herself with troublemakers on this newsgroup) in the past. http://tinyurl.com/3hla2 The full thread (and you'll see who started the problem upon which she "piggybacked") http://tinyurl.com/3ah7g I will probably email you privately for more on this. Again, I'm very sorry she is causing you and me all this work. I trust you will deal with her in your usual professional manner (as time and energy allows). Thank you ! J From: J To Jerry: Jerry, so sorry to trouble you. Alex is from the alt.support.cancer.breast newsgroup. She seems to take issue with what I am doing here. Her e-mail address is akoffman@attbi.com <snip> She has also done this or similar (aligning herself with troublemakers on this newsgroup) in the past. http://tinyurl.com/3hla2 The full thread (and you'll see who started the problem upon which she "piggybacked") http://tinyurl.com/3ah7g I will probably email you privately for more on this. Again, I'm very sorry she is causing you and me all this work. I trust you will deal with her in your usual professional manner (as time and energy allows). Thank you ! J ============== Hi J, It looks like a good time to pull back, to take a break from the newsgroups, to spend time developing other interests & doing other things. Tranquilizers might help some. Good luck. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions PS People want to discuss alternatives or add-ons to traditional/organized medicine. It's important to let us do this. In this case, threatening us, reporting us, & trying to enforce rules, is Not a good idea. ... and what is your point - J? "take it up with Jerry (a cancer survivor), if you wish to bother him" First of all, why can't you let go of this habit of preying on people's sympathies (mentioning "cancer survivor" and "bother him" Second, it is pretty suspicious that Jerry & J are two different thing to begin with. Third, since this group is run by the members themselves, I like to Move to bring about a "meeting of the members" and propose certain amendments to the Charter and the FAQ that will be voted upon by the members. I will post the proposals separately and we will need to take a vote from all members. We are going to bring some law and order to this group and make it a genuine support group. Medical Watch > > J> http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/charter.html > > > What is strictly prohibited on this newsgroup? [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Thank you ! > J > ..<snipped> What is your full name? How can we check you out? What organization do you represent? FTC? FDA? AMA? NCI? Quackwatch? Who? J > > ..<snipped> > > What is your full name? > How can we check you out? > What organization do you represent? FTC? FDA? AMA? NCI? Quackwatch? Who? > J like you said: "> > I find this comical you even post this," (or in this case, I find this comical you even ask this) Nice try, I mean - really...... > "J" <BlankCds@example.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Nice try, I mean - really...... You are calling yourself "Medical Watch" http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/charter.html Posing as a medical professional is strictly prohibited. For example, don't use a doctorate in finance or mineralogy to convey the impression that you are a medical doctor qualified to recommend treatments or diagnose disease. This includes the use of "Dr., Doc, PhD, RN, LPN, med, etc." in your name, e-mail address, or alias. If you claim one of these titles be prepared to provide degree, major/minor, university, year it was earned, and years experience. You must provide substantive information if asked by any member of the group. " I am a longterm member of this newsgroup in good standing. You are new here. Answer the questions. The whole newsgroup is watching and waiting for your response... J "Dr., Doc, PhD, RN, LPN, med, etc." - I made no mention of any of my titles. You, on the other hand, need to provide information about yourself. Your "goodstanding" is being questioned here by many any you are running off to Jerry for help. You are the one pretending to be a medical professional here. If you are not a medical professional, announce it in a post that you are not. Its easy - just make a disclaimer in your signature. Otherwise, go sell Avon or something, get pregnant, have babies - but go do something else instead of what , in my view, amounts to defrauding people. > > "J" <BlankCds@example.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > The whole newsgroup is watching and waiting for your response... > J > > You are calling yourself "Medical Watch" > > http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/charter.html [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > The whole newsgroup is watching and waiting for your response... > > J I will take that (non-response) as a refusal by you to reply. For the 100th time. I am not a medical professional. I have frequently been asked that. The regulars here know that. J > Otherwise, go sell Avon or something, get pregnant, have babies And now you have revealed exactly what you think of women. Perhaps your should have screenname "Male Chauvenist Pig" instead. J > "Dr., Doc, PhD, RN, LPN, med, etc." - I made no mention of any of my > titles. What part of "your screen name is Medical Watch" do you not understand? J Now you are starting to lose it..... Am I getting under your skin? Well - good, that is the general idea..... > > "Dr., Doc, PhD, RN, LPN, med, etc." - I made no mention of any of my > > titles. > > What part of "your screen name is Medical Watch" do you not understand? > J >Now you are starting to lose it..... Am I getting under your skin? Well - >good, that is the general idea..... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> What part of "your screen name is Medical Watch" do you not understand? >> J Hey Medical Watch Please go elsewhere you are starting to get under my skin also. Are you a patient? A Doctor a caregiver a anything but a regular buttwhipe, get off it you are doing a dis service to those of us that use this and the other newsgroups like this, I am glad you hide your email address becaused someone might take down your site and your puter, We here or at least I no longer wish to read your stupidity go pedal your posion post elsewhere what kind of ron are you any ways. I will tell you what kind A MORON that is what kind. why do you feel the need to stir up animosity in this gtoup, before your bull crap posting this news group was ok quit stirring up crap and go post on alt.a.sholes.I.am.forsure looser I am glad you identified yourself as a "looser" at the bottom of the post. Pretty telling - isn't it? > >Now you are starting to lose it..... Am I getting under your skin? Well - > >good, that is the general idea..... [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > looser > I am glad you identified yourself as a "looser" at the bottom of the post. > Pretty telling - isn't it? You have no business being abusive to one of our patients. In fact, you have no business here at all. I sincerely hope that someone (Paul or Jerry) or others complain to your isp about you and get you bumped off. J >I am glad you identified yourself as a "looser" at the bottom of the post. >Pretty telling - isn't it? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >> looser Hey Medical Watch Ever hear of bottom posting Try it And in fact you may be correct I may be a looser but I am not you so I figure I am still blessed. Once a ron always a ron. go play in one of the other newsgroups. We or at least I do not need you here, be a real adult and quit hiding your IP let me see who you really r. <<<<As Medical Crotch spews his/her hatred below. >>>> > Now you are starting to lose it..... Am I getting under your skin? Well - > good, that is the general idea..... NOW, we see what you're up too! I recommend that no one responds to this person as they are a waste of time and energy whichis not what cancer survivors of frightened family members need. We have enough of that in our lives. This person just seeks attention, don't give it to them. Lily Mae Someday in the distant future, archeologists digging thru the ruins of alt.support.cancer will discover that "Medical Watch" <medicalwatch@myway.com> had this to say on 02 May 2004: > Now you are starting to lose it..... Am I getting under your skin? > Well - good, that is the general idea..... it's impossible to follow a discussion thread when one of the posters persists in both top posting and failing to snip extraneous material.  Signatureofficially recognized SPEWS puppet ISO certification and everything I AM SPEWS (SLAPP PREVENTION ELECTRONIC WHITENOISE SYSTEM) >Subject: Re: "Un"professional medical advice >From: "Medical Watch" medicalwatch@myway.com >Date: 5/2/2004 >Otherwise, >go sell Avon or something, get pregnant, have babies Showing your gender bias this early in the game? Kathy J well shucks, using that logic - you are the fraud - there is after all, a true 'medicalwatch' - the medical watch.com site - http://www.medicalwatch.com/profile/index.html which far predates your use...or are you just 'piggybacking' on their respectable name? that is how silly your rationale is...pretending that all this is just innocent - when it is you who is the commercial party... > "Dr., Doc, PhD, RN, LPN, med, etc." - I made no mention of any of my > titles. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > The whole newsgroup is watching and waiting for your response... > > J > ... and what is your point - J? "take it up with Jerry (a cancer > survivor), if you wish to bother him" First of all, why can't you let go of > this habit of preying on people's sympathies (mentioning "cancer survivor" > and "bother him" You silly, silly man. He is a kidney cancer survivor. He has a business to run and has devoted many, many months (of his life and to the detriment of his business and his own health) to the FAQ/Charter. He's spent years replying to posters and helping on this newsgroup. And continues to do so, when things get out of control here. He just emailed to tell me to treat you as a troll. If you take issue with that, contact him at h2g5c7m1k9a8 at bellsouth dot net (fix the obvious). > Second, it is pretty suspicious that Jerry & J are two different thing to > begin with. This is Jerry http://tinyurl.com/2txrr when he was posting under "B Nice" If you don't know the above, I wonder how you will be able to differentiate between "members" and poseurs pushing their quack remedies...... J Hello, I don?t understand this effort waste. I came here two months ago, searching information. I got it, plus a lot of web pages to research myself. I have also been given many cheerfull words and support. I am thankfull to all the newsgroup, specially J, who devoted a lot of time to my problem. I don?t mind that the person who gives me advice is on jail, or on a medical trial. I haven?t seen any information that wasn?t supported by a well known hospital, an important research organisation or a University. People who are not doctors say so. Survivors doesn?t act as Super - Men, instead they share experiences and help us to carry on. I find the group very helpfull, but my believe is that most of our problems are important enough not to spend one minute in such a silly discussion. And besides that, the group in alive and plenty of participants. so the rules shouldn?t be son bad, should they? If something works.....DO NOT CHANGE IT ;-) Regards to everyone. ?. a@a.com said... > I don?t mind that the person who gives me advice is on jail, or on a medical > trial. Well said. It doesn't matter who provides the information; what matters is that we can research for ourselves after being pointed in the right direction. As far as J is concerned - well all I know about her is that she is someone who cares enough to find all the information for people. I've never seen her claim to be a medic and I've never seen her tell anyone what to do. Her posts are of an advisory nature and she provides URLs to back up her advice. That's all it is though: advice. What anyone does with that advice is up to the individual. just a small problem with your 'proposal'...(gosh i wish you newbie businessmen would learn how this works before raising your righteous banners...) per the charter, this is an 'unmoderated' newsgroup, and that cannot be changed under the consortium rules that actually run Usenet.. so - if you are really doing anything more than blowing smoke, you will have to set up a proposal for a new and different group... now, i would also suggest that you be very careful with this 'law and order' rhetoric... first off because you will quite likely find yourself the object of laughter and scorn for not simply addressing those things you find amiss in a logical and reasonable manner secondly, law and order have nothing to do with unmoderated free speech newsgroups. your problem is that you don't like being questioned, and so have gone on the attack - as if a person posting opinion is wrong. the charter calls for discussion, but not commercial speech - and you - if real - are clearly commercial with your site, if it 'is' your site - so, i ask how you justify your stance under those very clear guidelines? third, you have been making a big durn deal over J's identity, when you are not exactly identifiable yourself as a person - other than perhaps being somehow connected to a very commercial website. that however is not even provable - only your word for it - shucks you could just be a troll, you don't post from the ip numbers of the site - care to provide any bona fides?: the above silliness notwithstanding folks, you should know that: myway - imgfarm - iwon - mysearch - weatherbug - focus interactive - are all one and the same, and were just bought by Ask Jeeves for bubba here to protest so much is only because of the way money is earned and profits realized: "The main source of revenue across these sites is the share of the clickthrough revenue on sponsored search results," not counting, of course, the revenues garnered from email marketing after they bought maxonline (maxworld) there was also that little problem with the myway 'mybar' speedsearch bar that turned out to be hijacking 'spyware' http://onlinepcfix.com/spyware/spyware.htm in other words, for every visitor that goes there and clicks a link, they earn money...a pretty good reason to try to out talk everyone else don't ya think?: Registrant: Admins, Domain (MYWAY8-DOM) Focus Interactive Inc One Bridge Street Suite 42 Irvington, NY 10467 US Domain Name: MYWAY.COM Administrative Contact: Admins, Domain (XMELACOFBI) domain@staff.myway.com One Bridge Street, Suite 42 Irvington, NY 10533 US 914-591-2000 fax: 123 123 1234 Technical Contact: Network Solutions, LLC. (HOST-ORG) customerservice@networksolutions.com 13200 Woodland Park Drive Herndon, VA 20171-3025 US 1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620 Record expires on 22-Nov-2007. Record created on 23-Nov-1998. Database last updated on 2-May-2004 16:59:43 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: DNS4.IMGFARM.COM 208.45.133.230 DNS5.IMGFARM.COM 208.45.133.231 NS1-75.AKAM.NET 193.108.91.75 NS1-95.AKAM.NET 193.108.91.95 Domain Name: IMGFARM.COM Administrative Contact: MyWay, Inc. (DFXACHECOO) domain@staff.iwon.com 1 Bridge Street, Suite 42 Irvington, NY 10533 US 914-591-2000 fax: 123 123 1234 Technical Contact: iWon, Inc. (GTRDDSUUJO) domain@staff.iwon.com One Bridge St Suite 42 Irvington, NY 10533 US 914-591-2000 Record expires on 12-Nov-2006. Record created on 12-Nov-2001. Database last updated on 2-May-2004 16:40:07 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: DNS4.IMGFARM.COM 208.45.133.230 DNS5.IMGFARM.COM 208.45.133.231 NS1-75.AKAM.NET 193.108.91.75 NS1-95.AKAM.NET 193.108.91.95 http://www.cbronline.com/currentnews/b17da99cca99aea180256e4e0038517b so, medical watch, just who the heck are you really? what is your position with the company? > ... and what is your point - J? "take it up with Jerry (a cancer > survivor), if you wish to bother him" First of all, why can't you let go of [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > Thank you ! > > J > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > they earn money...a pretty good reason to try to out talk everyone else > don't ya think?: Thank you, thank you, thank you, Paul. We need someone here with your skills, so thank you for watching over this newsgroup, when you are able to. There's another post on the newsgroup "Your Diet and Cancer" by Eric Huntley. Each time I try to reply to it my newsreader (or my server) fails me and I have to abandon. A web TV'er on another newsgroup said she clicked on the link, in the post, and it locked her up. Any chance you could reply to it and warn others to not click on it? It may also be another one where the more people click, the more the person gets paid. Also there's a poster named "A.G.". Up until a few days ago, I could read and reply to his posts. He posts out of Europe. He's a valid poster here. His child is very ill. Any idea why I can't see his posts now? Something transient with cables? or servers? Thank you again, J >> <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Thank you again, > J J, Sorry for being away from the alt.support.cancer group. Since the kidney cancer has been improving I have been busy trying to make some money. My business has kept me quite busy. I have not had time to read the group, but will try to catch-up with the latest posts ASAP. I'm going to lurk awhile until I get up-to-date. Jerry hi J >when you are able to. some days are better than others - ! VBG! > There's another post on the newsgroup > "Your Diet and Cancer" by Eric Huntley. > Each time I try to reply to it my newsreader (or my server) fails me and I have to > abandon. > A web TV'er on another newsgroup said she clicked on the link, in the post, and it > locked her up. well that's not really such a mystery, here's what is happening: the messages reads - Cancer is one of the main causes of death among humans and your way of consuming food affects the risk. Learn how simple changes in your diet may prevent serious illness. http://hop.clickbank.net/?emone/bizzydays --- MAF Anti-Spam ID: 20040425175730G6s3QqN8 BUT! clicking on the link does not take you directly to a site - this 'clickbank' site is an advertising host (spec. in affiliate and ecommerce software), and just like little medwatcher (G) depends upon 'click thrus' for ad revenue. this link is actually what is called a 're-director' and 'sends' you to the: http://www.bizzydays.com/ site - which is---tada!---an ebook publishing site and it tries to enable popups when you enter. so, i'm guessing that 'your' service doesn't like the 're-direct' nor the pop ups. bizzzydays.com is: Registrant: Hopkins 3 Rue des Tulipes Pornic, XX 44210 France Registrar: Domain people Inc. Domain Name: bizzydays.com Created on .............Mon Nov 20 16:45:37 2000 Expires on .............Sat Nov 20 16:45:37 2004 Record last updated on .Thu Nov 20 20:18:07 2003 Status .................LOCK Administrative Contact: BizzyDays Publications Michael Hopkins 3 Rue des Tulipes Pornic, Loire Atlantique 44210, FR (0033)240820839 () contact@bizzydays.com Technical Contact: BizzyDays Publications Michael Hopkins 3 Rue des Tulipes Pornic, Loire Atlantique 44210, FR (0033)240820839 () contact@bizzydays.com Billing Contact: BizzyDays Publications Michael Hopkins 3 Rue des Tulipes Pornic, Loire Atlantique 44210, FR (0033)240820839 () michael@bizzydays.com Domain servers in listed order: dns118.hrwebservices.net 66.78.57.253 dns218.hrwebservices.net 216.74.122.2 (bizzydays.com) but our little affliate spammer, "Eric Huntley" <eNOSPAMhuntle@hotmail.com> is really posting from: 205.215.62.133, and that is: OrgName: NetRail, Inc. OrgID: RAIL Address: 1015 31st Street, NW City: Washington StateProv: DC PostalCode: 20007 Country: US NetRange: 205.215.0.0 - 205.215.63.255 CIDR: 205.215.0.0/18 NetName: NETRAIL-BLK NetHandle: NET-205-215-0-0-1 Parent: NET-205-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: AUTH1.DNS.COGENTCO.COM NameServer: AUTH2.DNS.COGENTCO.COM Comment: RegDate: 1995-04-24 Updated: 2003-07-30 OrgAbuseHandle: COGEN-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Cogent Abuse OrgAbusePhone: +1-877-875-4311 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@cogentco.com OrgNOCHandle: ZC108-ARIN OrgNOCName: Cogent Communications OrgNOCPhone: +1-877-875-4311 OrgNOCEmail: noc@cogentco.com OrgTechHandle: IPALL-ARIN OrgTechName: IP Allocation OrgTechPhone: +1-877-875-4311 OrgTechEmail: ipalloc@cogentco.com s/he is hiding behind a hotmail addy, and a news server that doesn't 'log' users http://205.215.62.133/ is really 100proofnews.com > Any chance you could reply to it and warn others to not click on it? done > It may also be another one where the more people click, the more the person gets > paid. exactly > Also there's a poster named "A.G.". Up until a few days ago, I could read and > reply to his posts. > He posts out of Europe. He's a valid poster here. His child is very ill. > Any idea why I can't see his posts now? Something transient with cables? or > servers? need a bit more of the addy to figure out - it would take too long to find the 'ag' you mean otherwise. i see a reply to your message that i think is the person you mean. so i'll hold off unless you ask again. be well paul > hi J > > >when you are able to. > > some days are better than others - ! VBG! here too <g> > > There's another post on the newsgroup > > "Your Diet and Cancer" by Eric Huntley. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > exactly Thank you for confirming. J > >when you are able to. > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > paul Hi Paul, http://tinyurl.com/36525 the last post of his that I can see on newsgroup is "Re: Anyone on the group who has survived lung cancer and can ... " There are 5 more recent ones there that I either cannot see or can only see if others reply to it/them. Here's the headers... -------- Original Message -------- Path: sn-us!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!129.250.16.78.MISMATCH!peer1.stngva01.us.to.verio.net!news.verio.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!nsnmrro1-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!nsnmpen1-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!news.ya.com!yacom!not-for-mail From: "Á.G." <a@a.com> Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer Subject: grid.org Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 01:05:04 +0200 Organization: ya.com internet factory Lines: 12 Message-ID: <c57ae7$2ur$1@news.ya.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.28.236.39 X-Trace: news.ya.com 1081552136 3035 80.28.236.39 (9 Apr 2004 23:08:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ya.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 23:08:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: sn-us alt.support.cancer:98087 Thank you for any input. It's very frustrating wanting to help/reply and not being able to see the posts. Thanks J > > >when you are able to. > > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Thanks > J Hi Paul, I just noticed something. The posts that I cannot see on newsgroup end with ""J" <Buckles@example.net> escribió en el mensaje Spanish instead of English. The last post that I can see on newsgroup "> >"steve" <steve@ra88.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message English. I don't have a foreign language filter in my newsreader. Could it be my server that does not want me to see foreign language words??? His actual posts are in English just the Reply line is in his language. (hope that makes sense or see google) http://tinyurl.com/36525 J > As Bart Simpson would say "GET BENT!" > S Hi S, I don't think I'll ask what that means, I will guess (since I've heard of Bart). Did ya notice we get the weirdest posters here some times... ( ( ( S ) ) ) j Yeah, I don't think he knows what (((S))) Means...if he actually read the posts he would know my name by now...I post here often enough. What a slime ball. Anyway, the Simpson's were one of (((P))) favourite shows ;) had to throw it in there:) Take Care (((S)))) hahaha Someday in the distant future, archeologists digging thru the ruins of alt.support.cancer will discover that "Daffman" <Daffman@yeah.right.com> had this to say on 30 Apr 2004: > Can I ask where @myway.com is located? What state has this URL? It is in Jersey. However, kookboy is posting from a Verizon account in Texas. The Verizon IPA is associated with Viagra spam, probably coincidentally but you never know. The myway domain used by medwitch is associated with porn spam and nigeria embezzler spam. In fact, charlestailor@myway.com was looking for help just yesterday to sneak $66M USD out of a bank in Nigeria. You get 30% for your troubles. Each of the 30 people who reported the spam, that came through newskies.net (another spammer paradise), included the line about how he had only communicated this offer to one person because he trusted them to keep it secret. The medwitch address hasn't been used on usenet before April 30. That says lots about his usenet/internet knowledge and credibility and staying power. He also has been known to kick his dog. Anything else you need to know? SignatureSturgeon's Law as applied to discussion lists Axiom #3: "Sturgeon's Law (90% of everything is crap) applies to discussion lists." Corollary #5: "In an unmoderated discussion, no one can agree on what constitutes the 10%." Corollary #6: "Nothing guarantees that the 10% isn't crap, too." > Someday in the distant future, archeologists digging thru the ruins of > alt.support.cancer will discover that "Daffman" [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > only communicated this offer to one person because he trusted them to keep > it secret. There's more (different e-mails by myway.com) on other newsgroups http://tinyurl.com/2ycas and http://tinyurl.com/27xgs > Anything else you need to know? Does Google know about this? (any of it, would they want to know?) On his web page, he seems to be using (or a lookalike of) Google's search engine. J > He also has been known to kick his dog. > > Anything else you need to know? wonder if mw realizes that: Name Type Status --------------------------------------------- ONESTOP <00> UNIQUE Registered MSI <00> GROUP Registered ONESTOP <03> UNIQUE Registered IMRAN <03> UNIQUE Registered MAC Address = 00-48-54-62-76-30 Hardware vendor code: Digital SemiConductor 21143/2 based 10/100 very sloppy for a wannabe paul Someday in the distant future, archeologists digging thru the ruins of alt.support.cancer will discover that "Paul T. Holland" <pholland@bellatlantic.net> had this to say on 03 May 2004: >> He also has been known to kick his dog. >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > paul Like I said elsewhere - today's trolls are no match for the giants of yore. SignatureSturgeon's Law as applied to discussion lists Axiom #3: "Sturgeon's Law (90% of everything is crap) applies to discussion lists." Corollary #5: "In an unmoderated discussion, no one can agree on what constitutes the 10%." Corollary #6: "Nothing guarantees that the 10% isn't crap, too." >Subject: "Un"professional medical advice >From: "Medical Watch" medicalwatch@myway.com >Date: 4/30/2004 >It is pretty disturbing to see that a few peoples here are rendering medical >advice to unsuspecting posters. Here's a clue: If they advise to "spray Windex on it" they probably are not medical professionals. Kathy J > These posters have successfully created a persona for themselves here, and > in my view they are being perceived as "doctors" or, at least, some sort of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > are not only fake, they are "Weird fake". Here are examples of a couple of > posters with "weird, fake" email addresses: If you don't know why the physicians who post here don't use their real email addresses, you are more stupid even than I thought.......... Someday in the distant future, archeologists digging thru the ruins of alt.support.cancer will discover that "Medical Watch" <medicalwatch@myway.com> had this to say on 30 Apr 2004: > Don't let any one tell you that they hide their identities because of > SPAM, anyone who thinks that spammers dont harvest email addresses from usenet is an idiot SignatureSturgeon's Law as applied to discussion lists Axiom #3: "Sturgeon's Law (90% of everything is crap) applies to discussion lists." Corollary #5: "In an unmoderated discussion, no one can agree on what constitutes the 10%." Corollary #6: "Nothing guarantees that the 10% isn't crap, too." |
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