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DLBCL Advice Please - again

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Karen Lynn - 02 May 2004 09:29 GMT
Hi J and Everyone,

I'm writing to ask if anyone has experienced red spots (pustules?) on the
scalp following chemo.

My son, age 40, was dx on March 17 with DLBCL. He had a very aggressive and
large tumour in his abdomen. His cancer had spread, but to date I still
don't know how far. I'll find the answers to all of my questions (all two
pages of them) next Tuesday when we visit the oncologist--well not the main
oncologist (he's on vacation) but the resident who is managing the main
onc's patients in his absence.

My son has had two (of 6) rounds of CHOP, the last treatment almost two
weeks ago, the next one on May 11. He has lost most of his hair. Two days
ago I noticed on his scalp many red spots, a few of which have white spots
in the middle. He says they are itchy.

In addition I was alarmed by a long dark blue/black spot on his temple,
about 1.5 cm. It's not raised. I'm told that if it's not raised it's likely
not melanoma. Is this true?

Any suggestions about the causes of these spots and how to treat them?

Thanks for any advice.

Karen
J - 02 May 2004 11:23 GMT
> Hi J and Everyone,
>
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>
> Karen

Hi Karen,
We cannot see through the computer to see what exactly is going on. I would
think that red spots are not that unusual (since they mention skin changes -
see below).

The last person I recall who mentioned pustules was Lowkey under the
fingernails.
If I recall correctly, it was "fungal" in nature. A cool (not cold) damp cloth
might temporarily help a bit with the itchies but no scratching nor rubbing
(for many reasons). Light towel-drying.

If he's starting to get fungas under his fingernails, he'll need to start
learning how to deal with that and not spread it elsewhere.  IIRC Lowkey was
wearing soft cotton gloves.

More troubling (to me) is the "long blue/black". I don't recall reading about
that here nor on the breast cancer newsgroup (in over 4 years). I'm concerned
it might be bruising or an abnormal bleed..

On the other hand, when I look up CHOP, it mentions transient darkening of the
skin (along with the above).
<http://www.cancerbacup.org.uk/Treatments/Chemotherapy/Combinationchemotherapyreg
imes/CHOPregime
>

And if they have added something blue into the mix (or if something in CHOP is
blue) that confuses things more.

I was talking to the local Cancer Centre earlier this week. She told me they
have a radiation oncologist on call off-hours. At Doug's hospital, there should
be more experts on call there. (I would think or they can pull someone from ER
to check it out).
I would suggest that (unless you hear shortly from Steph here) that he/you
contact the "on call" specialists at his cancer centre. (I hope you or he got
the list that I suggested). If not, call the main switchboard and ask who's on
call and who he might see and when. Hopefully first thing in the morning if not
before. If it's "expected", they can reassure you. If it's something
unexpected, they should be able to contact the "resident" and have him go in
and see Doug.

And they should be able to address the pustules also (at the same time).

Best I can do. Keep in touch and let us know how Tuesday goes.

J- not an expert.
Medical Watch - 02 May 2004 11:48 GMT
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> J- not an expert.

Now, a little statement like, "J- not an expert", wasn't so hard, was it?
But I really need you to make better. I know you can do it.  Lets get it
right next time.
Karen Lynn - 02 May 2004 17:51 GMT
Dear Medical Watch,

Lay off J! I have only been part of this group for about a month and found
it very easy to undesrtand that J. is not a doctor. Many times he has
disclaimed his messages by saying that he is not a doctor. We ALL KNOW THIS,
so give it a rest.

This is a support group for people with cancer and their caregivers. The
great majority of people who post information are not health care providers,
yet some of the very best advice comes from self-sacrificing non-medical
advocates and supporters. This is common knowledge to all of us in this
group. Thanks for your concern that we mught be given misleading
information, but I do not feel that your cautions are necessary. I'm an
adult and I can read, as I have many times, when J. has written, "--not a
doctor".  Are you NEW here?

Karen

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> But I really need you to make better. I know you can do it.  Lets get it
> right next time.
Lily Mae - 02 May 2004 21:04 GMT
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> But I really need you to make better. I know you can do it.  Lets get it
> right next time.

??????????
Who are you? What's YOUR problem? Medical Watch, what's that? Are you of the
medical persuasion? If you are, why not help instead of aggravate people
here? I'm relatively new and I know that he is not a dr but has lots of
helpful knowledge, compassion and gives you places to check out the info.
Steph will correct things if they are wrong or off........ go away please
stay, lurk and be nice. P.s. You're attitude is the first bad one I've seen
here.
Lily Mae
J - 02 May 2004 21:57 GMT
>  You're attitude is the first bad one I've seen here.
> Lily Mae

Hi Lily, thank you.
Since you're new, you're probably not aware that this newsgroup has been full of
these battles for years, before the Charter, before I was here. It was upsetting
and confusing for patients (and loved ones) to wade through the arguments and
name-calling and Steph and others would try to explain what worked and what
didn't yet provide good information for cancer patients. We don't get paid for
doing this, yet some here don't appreciate us. I'm sure Steph has better things
to do than volunteer his time here. Same for Mike R.
It's a big job to fend them off and do what this newsgroup is intended to do,
provide good information and support.  Hence why the Charter was created...to
help fend them off.
Hugs to you
J
Karen Lynn - 02 May 2004 18:47 GMT
Thanks very much J. I too was alarmed by the long blue/black spot on his
temple. I'll ask my son to call the hospital, but since he's the type to not
make waves (and he's an adult and I can't make him take all of the
precautions I'd like him to), he will probably want to wait until we talk to
the doctor on Tuesday. But I have made him promise to see his dermatologist
this week too. As an extra precaution I'm going to measure the blue/black
spot and see if it changes.

I found this picture of melanoma on the net at
http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/SkinCancerAtlas/Melanoma/SuperficialSpreadingMelan
oma/03.htm
.
My son's spot looks similar although his is not raised.

I will ask the doctor on Tuesday about fungus and try to monitor the
situation. If it is fungus then, as you said, it may spread and we'll have
to be careful.

Again J. I appreciate very much your prompt and informed advice.

Karen

> > Hi J and Everyone,
> >
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> On the other hand, when I look up CHOP, it mentions transient darkening of the
> skin (along with the above).

<http://www.cancerbacup.org.uk/Treatments/Chemotherapy/Combinationchemothera
pyregimes/CHOPregime>

> And if they have added something blue into the mix (or if something in CHOP is
> blue) that confuses things more.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> J- not an expert.
J - 02 May 2004 22:28 GMT
> Thanks very much J. I too was alarmed by the long blue/black spot on his
> temple. I'll ask my son to call the hospital, but since he's the type to not
> make waves (and he's an adult and I can't make him take all of the
> precautions I'd like him to), he will probably want to wait until we talk to
> the doctor on Tuesday.

That's fine with me. (I was just worried in case it indicated some type of "bleed". I've seen
some men's foreheads show veins and arteries more prominent than others (or women). So I would
have to see myself the location and what it looks like, which is impossible to do. I'm sure if
the doctor doesn't know, he too will agree that a dermatologist would be in order.

> But I have made him promise to see his dermatologist
> this week too. As an extra precaution I'm going to measure the blue/black
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/HPI/SkinCancerAtlas/Melanoma/SuperficialSpreadingMelan
oma/03.htm
.
> My son's spot looks similar although his is not raised.

Yes, well I looked at it and I have seen that melanomas can arise out of CHOP but I don't think
that can happen that fast (unless maybe he already had a "starter" there before as in some type
of skin lesion/mole), but I could be wrong about that.

And just to be clear, when I mentioned fungal, I was thinking of the sores/pustules you
mentioned.
Maybe the black is fungus, maybe it's not.

Hopefully, you'll let us know.
Hugs Karen,
J

> I will ask the doctor on Tuesday about fungus and try to monitor the
> situation. If it is fungus then, as you said, it may spread and we'll have
> to be careful.
?.G. - 02 May 2004 15:13 GMT
> My son has had two (of 6) rounds of CHOP, the last treatment almost two
> weeks ago, the next one on May 11. He has lost most of his hair. Two days
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> about 1.5 cm. It's not raised. I'm told that if it's not raised it's likely
> not melanoma. Is this true?

Regards Karen:
I have a 5 month old son, who is taking chemo. He had small red dots, but
without a white spot on the middle. Drs. told me that this was due chemo
lowers platlets on blood, and those red dots were small blood looses. He
also had, and lasted one week and a half, a 3 cm. long spot on his arm: An
injection caused this.
Good luck next thursday,

?.
Karen Lynn - 02 May 2004 18:51 GMT
Thanks AG. What you said makes sense. I'll certainly ask the doctor.

Karen

> > My son has had two (of 6) rounds of CHOP, the last treatment almost two
> > weeks ago, the next one on May 11. He has lost most of his hair. Two days
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>
> ?.
J - 02 May 2004 22:10 GMT
> Thanks AG. What you said makes sense. I'll certainly ask the doctor.
>
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>
> > > in the middle. He says they are itchy.

I wish I could see AG's original posts. He doesn't say what he does for the
itchy...
J

> > Regards Karen:
> > I have a 5 month old son, who is taking chemo. He had small red dots, but
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >
> > Á.
Mike Radcliffe - 03 May 2004 11:43 GMT
> My son, age 40, was dx on March 17 with DLBCL. He had a very aggressive and
> large tumour in his abdomen. His cancer had spread, but to date I still
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Karen

What does his oncologist say?
MIKE
Lily Mae - 03 May 2004 22:43 GMT
> > My son, age 40, was dx on March 17 with DLBCL. He had a very aggressive
> and
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> What does his oncologist say?
> MIKE

I'm sorry but I figured out all the acronyms but  DLBCL????
Is there a list somewhere?
Thanks Lily Mae
Karen Lynn - 05 May 2004 03:30 GMT
Hi Lily Mae,

DLBCL = Diffuse Large B Cell Lymphoma.

Karen

> > > My son, age 40, was dx on March 17 with DLBCL. He had a very aggressive
> > and
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> Is there a list somewhere?
> Thanks Lily Mae
Karen Lynn - 05 May 2004 03:29 GMT
About the blue/black spot, he suggested that he see a dermatologist. he
obviousy couldn't figure it out! We'll see on May 27 when Doug goes to the
dermatologist.

Karen

> > My son, age 40, was dx on March 17 with DLBCL. He had a very aggressive
> and
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> What does his oncologist say?
> MIKE
 
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