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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / April 2004Alternative Cures. Any testimonies/deaths.
Has anyone here cured themselves or knows someone who has , by using alternative therapies and no chemo or radiation.? Do you know someone who died trying alternative treatments? Please dont post any bullshit, pro or againt, just facts. Peoples lives are at stake so dont bullshit. > Has anyone here cured themselves or knows someone who has , by using > alternative therapies and no chemo or radiation.? Do you know someone > who died trying alternative treatments? > Please dont post any bullshit, pro or againt, just facts. Peoples > lives are at stake so dont bullshit. I've seen lots of people die who refused effective conventional treatment. I've also seen many people die who took conventional treatment. What I've never seen is someone refuse conventional treatment, then cure themselves with alternatives. But then I've only seen 5 or 6 thousand patients in the last 10 years > > Has anyone here cured themselves or knows someone who has , by using > > alternative therapies and no chemo or radiation.? Do you know someone [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > themselves with alternatives. > But then I've only seen 5 or 6 thousand patients in the last 10 years You've seen people live, too - right????? > > > Has anyone here cured themselves or knows someone who has , by using > > > alternative therapies and no chemo or radiation.? Do you know someone [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You've seen people live, too - right????? Lots. Cured.........by nasty surgery, radiotherapy and chemotherapy "Steph" <steph@vancouver.island> wrote in message news:<_iohc.193185 Hold on a minute, you mean to say that 100% of cancer patients who went on unconventional treatment died? How is it that for example the gearson treatment boasts over 50% remission rates? > I've seen lots of people die who refused effective conventional treatment. > I've also seen many people die who took conventional treatment. > What I've never seen is someone refuse conventional treatment, then cure > themselves with alternatives. > But then I've only seen 5 or 6 thousand patients in the last 10 years > "Steph" <steph@vancouver.island> wrote in message news:<_iohc.193185 > Hold on a minute, you mean to say that 100% of cancer patients who > went on unconventional treatment died? How is it that for example the > gearson treatment boasts over 50% remission rates? 1) Remission rates have very little to do with cure 2) They lie > "Steph" <steph@vancouver.island> wrote in message news:<_iohc.193185 > Hold on a minute, you mean to say that 100% of cancer patients who > went on unconventional treatment died? How is it that for example the > gearson treatment boasts over 50% remission rates? How reliable is this "boast" of 50% remission rates? From http://cis.nci.nih.gov/fact/9_7.htm I find that Dr. Gearson, himself, before a congressional subcommittee in 1946, estimated that 30% of cancer patients treated by his method had a favorable response. How many of these were actual remission and for how long is not stated in this article. I also note that this method was developed for migraine headache and then has been used for a variety of other not apparently related problems. I doubt that anyone would claim that 100 % of people who do not undergo conventional cancer treatment die of cancer. There may be a small number of spontaneous remissions. I do know that so far in human history, everyone who has lived (at least in recent centuries) has died before reaching, say, 200 years of age. So the mortality rate for humans seems to be 100% from a variety of causes. Do you have an independent source, meaning someone not trying to sell something, for the greater than 50% remission Gene rate "boast"? Ok, so Alternative Cures do not cure, but do they help when you have nothing else left, surgery is impossible, chemo is useless, radiation is impossible, cancer spreading fast, doctors can offer no conventional treatment. Can Alternative cures improve quality of life? Can they prolong life a little? Thanks sissi Every alternative treatment I've ever heard of having "worked" on cancer does not have a clearly causal relationship to the thing is is supposed to have worked on. If you choose to try alternatives first and then "resort to" tradional therapies, you are risking shortening your life. If reasonably proven and understood therapies don't work or are refused, then you have nothing to lose but money in trying alternatives. They can provide hope that at least you are trying something and maybe that attempt will render a placebo effect to stimulate the body to do something to help itself. I gave my mother in law Artemisinin. Did I truly expect it to cure her? No. Did I hope it might do some measure of "good"? Yes. At least she was not in the pit of despair knowing she was not taking action against the cancer. Maybe her own immune system responded better than it would have. We can never really tell. It is a little bit chance and a lot of science. They can predict how a treatment will work on a group of patients, but not so accurately on a given individual. That is to say, you can know the exact odds of drawing a Royal Flush in Poker, but you cannot predict it for a given deal. You have to look at the odds and play the game you have the best chance of winning - based on what 'winning' means to you. >Has anyone here cured themselves or knows someone who has , by using >alternative therapies and no chemo or radiation.? Do you know someone >who died trying alternative treatments? >Please dont post any bullshit, pro or againt, just facts. Peoples >lives are at stake so dont bullshit. > Has anyone here cured themselves or knows someone who has , by using > alternative therapies and no chemo or radiation.? Do you know someone > who died trying alternative treatments? > Please dont post any bullshit, pro or againt, just facts. Peoples > lives are at stake so dont bullshit. That's funny you should come here and tell us people's lives are at stake, so no bull sh*t. You should have read some of the post, before you posted. There are some people here that are full of manure. Most of us are here because we have cancer or love someone with cancer. Or lost someone from cancer and still want to help other's. Jill Sorry to have upset you but all I meant to say is that people on this group trying to flog off products should say nothing rather than boasting about some product that doesnt work. If people would just say the truth maybe we could get to the bottom of this puzzle. If it is true that 1 in 4 people will get cancer compared to 1 in 1000 in remote areas, then there is some hope in finding a more natural cure than chemo. > That's funny you should come here and tell us > people's lives are at stake, so no bull sh*t. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Jill > Sorry to have upset you but all I meant to say is that people on this > group trying to flog off products should say nothing rather than [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to 1 in 1000 in remote areas, then there is some hope in finding a > more natural cure than chemo. Maybe the reason cancer is less common in "remote areas" is because people die earlier from infectious diseases.......... > Sorry to have upset you but all I meant to say is that people on this > group trying to flog off products should say nothing rather than [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > > Jill Look I'm geuss I'm a little touchy, when it comes to cancer. My FIL has tried some alt. treatments. As well as Rad., Chemo. Is he cured,no. The Rad. and Chemo has kept him alive this long. Forgive me, Jill A lady I know told me that her niece had lukemia (sp) so bad that drs. had given up. She went to a clinic in Mexico who treated her with a special diet and other methods. She improved and went home and kept on the diet for awhile. This was 20 years ago. When she gets sick again she goes back to the clinic and gets back on the diet. I can find out the name of the clinic if you like. I've heard there are some fake clinics there that give false hope and just take your money. > A lady I know told me that her niece had lukemia (sp) so bad that drs. > had given up. She went to a clinic in Mexico who treated her with a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > name of the clinic if you like. I've heard there are some fake clinics > there that give false hope and just take your money. Please don't post it here. Check www.cancersupporters.com/asc/links.html for recommended websites When I researched some of those "testimonials", most had a chronic form of leukemia or Myelodysplastic syndrome... There's nothing in Mexico (that works) that isn't available in Canada, US or UK Thanks J http://www.nci.nih.gov/cancerinfo/wyntk/leukemia Types of Leukemia The types of leukemia are grouped by how quickly the disease develops and gets worse. Leukemia is either chronic (gets worse slowly) or acute (gets worse quickly): Chronic leukemiaEarly in the disease, the abnormal blood cells can still do their work, and people with chronic leukemia may not have any symptoms. Slowly, chronic leukemia gets worse. It causes symptoms as the number of leukemia cells in the blood rises. Acute leukemiaThe blood cells are very abnormal. They cannot carry out their normal work. The number of abnormal cells increases rapidly. Acute leukemia worsens quickly. The types of leukemia are also grouped by the type of white blood cell that is affected. Leukemia can arise in lymphoid cells or myeloid cells. Leukemia that affects lymphoid cells is called lymphocytic leukemia. Leukemia that affects myeloid cells is called myeloid leukemia or myelogenous leukemia. There are four common types of leukemia: Chronic lymphocytic leukemia (chronic lymphoblastic leukemia, CLL) accounts for about 7,000 new cases of leukemia each year. Most often, people diagnosed with the disease are over age 55. It almost never affects children. Chronic myeloid leukemia (chronic myelogenous leukemia, CML) accounts for about 4,400 new cases of leukemia each year. It affects mainly adults. Acute lymphocytic leukemia (acute lymphoblastic leukemia, ALL) accounts for about 3,800 new cases of leukemia each year. It is the most common type of leukemia in young children. It also affects adults. Acute myeloid leukemia (acute myelogenous leukemia, AML) accounts for about 10,600 new cases of leukemia each year. It occurs in both adults and children. Hairy cell leukemia is a rare type of chronic leukemia. This booklet does not deal with hairy cell leukemia or other rare types of leukemia. Together, these rare leukemias account for about 5,200 new cases of leukemia each year. The Cancer Information Service (1-800-4-CANCER) can provide information about these types of leukemia. Myelodysplastic syndromePeople with this blood disease are at increased risk of developing acute myeloid leukemia. |
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