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?.G. - 23 Apr 2004 18:25 GMT
Hello to everybody,
I don?t know what I have already written. Anyway, Nicolas has had his first
Chemio dosis two weeks ago. He wasn?t feeling very good. Threw up almost
everyday and two day he bleeded out of his nose. He has loose some weigth
and two days he got fever.
Today we had a TAC and it shows there is a new mass 3 x 1 cm long again on
his abdomen. Drs. said he also has little spots on the lower part of his
lungs.
I am quite worried. The tumor was a germ cell one, but Drs. said the one on
the stomach is benign and chemo don?t affect benign tumors too much.
How long does it take the chemo to begin working? Are the symptoms usual?
Are they the same through all the chemos session, or we shall expect the
baby to get along with it better?
After all these, the baby looks good:
http://www.limaeco.net/plumaveloz/nicol?s.htm He smiles all day long.
Regards,
J - 23 Apr 2004 19:00 GMT
"Á.G." wrote:

> Hello to everybody,
> I don´t know what I have already written. Anyway, Nicolas has had his first
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> http://www.limaeco.net/plumaveloz/nicolás.htm He smiles all day long.
> Regards,

<http://www.cancerbacup.org.uk/Cancertype/Childrenscancers/Typesofchildrenscancer
s/Germcelltumours
>

Germ cell tumours come from egg or sperm producing cells. Sometimes, instead of
developing properly these cells remain in the wrong parts of the baby's body
and can produce tumours. The most common places are the testes, the ovaries,
the area at the bottom of the spine (sacrococcygeal) and in the middle of the
brain, chest or abdomen.

The tumours are sometimes given different names depending on where they develop
e.g. yolk sac tumours, dysgerminomas and teratomas.

They may be benign (not cancer) or malignant (cancer). Malignant tumours have
the ability to grow and spread to other parts of the body. Benign tumours do
not spread, but may cause problems by pressing on nearby tissue and body
structures.

Germ cell tumours are very sensitive to chemotherapy. A combination of drugs is
usually given every three weeks for four or five months depending on the
response."

I am afraid he will not survive chemo for four or five months and it seems
clear (to me, non-expert) that unless the source and all/most of tumour is
removed, chemo does not have a chance).
J
?.G. - 23 Apr 2004 23:07 GMT
> I am afraid he will not survive chemo for four or five months and it seems
> clear (to me, non-expert) that unless the source and all/most of tumour is
> removed, chemo does not have a chance).
> J

Could you explain yourself a little more? Do you think the side effects we
are having are too hard that the baby won?t be able to handle them? May he
be killed by the chemo side effects?
At this moment, we know there is a small tumor on his left teste, 2 cm. long
more or less, away from the test itself, but inside the escrotus. The
biopsia stated that is germ cell tumor.
He has also the above mentioned small mass on his abdomen, looking benign,
and some spots on the lower part of his lungs.

?.
J - 24 Apr 2004 03:16 GMT
"Á.G." wrote:

> > I am afraid he will not survive chemo for four or five months and it seems
> > clear (to me, non-expert) that unless the source and all/most of tumour is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> are having are too hard that the baby won´t be able to handle them? May he
> be killed by the chemo side effects?

I really don't know. I have no experience. The only other young child that I
remember here in recent years was Hannah (2 years old - brain tumor). All of the
posts http://tinyurl.com/2wycm
This one seems to indicate that after there was no response, the doctors wanted
to try something stronger and the parents decided not. http://tinyurl.com/39wfa
She died Sept 1/00

I'm concerned since there's been no response that your doctors will suggest
something stronger and/or continuing might not make a difference.  I cannot say
if it will or not, but since new tumors have appeared while he is already on the
chemo, it makes one wonder, doesn't it?

I have to leave this to your discussing with them and thinking about it (and
perhaps comments from others here).
Sorry I don't have the answers
J

> At this moment, we know there is a small tumor on his left teste, 2 cm. long
> more or less, away from the test itself, but inside the escrotus. The
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Á.
?.G. - 24 Apr 2004 09:03 GMT
> I really don't know. I have no experience. The only other young child that I
> remember here in recent years was Hannah (2 years old - brain tumor). All of the
> posts http://tinyurl.com/2wycm
> This one seems to indicate that after there was no response, the doctors wanted
> to try something stronger and the parents decided not. http://tinyurl.com/39wfa
> She died Sept 1/00

It is hard to read those post. So much pain, so much suffering. Fortunately,
that is not our situation now. The baby has little or no pain, and I believe
things are not going

> I'm concerned since there's been no response that your doctors will suggest
> something stronger and/or continuing might not make a difference.  I cannot say
> if it will or not, but since new tumors have appeared while he is already on the
> chemo, it makes one wonder, doesn't it?

The baby has only have one three-days-chemo-session, started on april 7th.
Drs. said is too soon to see how it works. Today, april 24th, the baby looks
very healthy and happy. He is eating quite a lot, gaining weight and smiling
all the time (as usual). Drs. are worried about the little spots on his
lungs, not about the mass on abdomen, that looks benign. They are checking
older TAC?s to see it this were presente before surgery and chemo.

> I have to leave this to your discussing with them and thinking about it (and
> perhaps comments from others here).
> Sorry I don't have the answers
> J

You have had many answers for us. We cannot know it all, but the
experience?s sharing and the cheer words help us a lot. Thank you.

?.
Emily - 24 Apr 2004 12:13 GMT
a@a.com said...
> We cannot know it all, but the
> experience?s sharing and the cheer words help us a lot. Thank you.

Know please that even when we have no answers (I know very little
about the subject, for instance) we are here for you to support you
and to pray for you.  You are part of an extended family here.

{{{{{Hugs and prayers}}}}}
J - 23 Apr 2004 19:03 GMT
"Á.G." wrote:

> Hello to everybody,
> I don´t know what I have already written. Anyway, Nicolas has had his first
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> http://www.limaeco.net/plumaveloz/nicolás.htm He smiles all day long.
> Regards,

http://www.nci.nih.gov/cancerinfo/pdq/treatment/extragonadal-germ-cell/healthpro
fessional/


They can arise virtually anywhere, but typically the site of origin is in the
mid-line (mediastinum, retroperitoneum, or pineal gland). Gonadal origin should
be excluded by careful testicular examination and ultrasound. The diagnosis can
be difficult and should be considered in any patient with a poorly defined
epithelial malignancy, particularly young individuals with mid-line masses."

I wonder if they've checked his testicles?
J
J - 23 Apr 2004 21:48 GMT
> http://www.nci.nih.gov/cancerinfo/pdq/treatment/extragonadal-germ-cell/healthpro
fessional/

>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> be difficult and should be considered in any patient with a poorly defined
> epithelial malignancy, particularly young individuals with mid-line masses."

Just to show you where the pineal gland (mentioned above) is (in the brain)
http://uscneurosurgery.com/glossary/p/pineal%20gland.htm
J
?.G. - 23 Apr 2004 22:50 GMT
> I wonder if they've checked his testicles?
> J

They have done so and found another small tumor there. It looks like this
one is the generator of the others, but they want to wait until they see the
effects of the chemo before going again on surgery.

?.
J - 24 Apr 2004 03:07 GMT
"Á.G." wrote:

> > I wonder if they've checked his testicles?
>
> They have done so and found another small tumor there. It looks like this
> one is the generator of the others,

It would seem so based on what I've just posted for you. (I'm not an expert).
You posted 19 Mar 2004 that a tumour had been found when Nicolas was born (4
months earlier).
I do not understand why they did not remove one or both testicles at the time
they discovered the first one.

> but they want to wait until they see the
> effects of the chemo before going again on surgery.

Seems to me they already see the effects if another tumor has appeared (a new
mass 3 x 1 cm long again on
his abdomen and spots in his lung).

I wish Steph ( or other doctors ) were here to comment.
I wonder if they are using a palliative dose of chemo (meaning low-dose) because
they think now it's too late?
Have you asked them?

Another idea would be to send, AND this is only if you can afford it, the
pathology reports and copies of the scans to one doctor at each of these
locations (unless you can find experienced doctors with this type of cancer,
closer to you). I would call them first and ask if they would offer a telephone
opinion, how much they would charge to do so, whether they require that you send
all of the money ahead of time, or part with the information and the balance
after the consult) and the details of where and how to send the information. I
would pick one good doctor from each of these webpages.  You would have to ask
them if they have someone who is capable of reading/translating the language in
which the reports are written .
http://www.rush.edu/rumc/page-P07219.html
http://www.stronghealth.com/services/cancer/aboutcancer/childgermcelltumor.cfm
The following one I had not posted, but it seems that there's a Spanish or
Mexican named Center "Las Colinas Medical Center" (so someone there must know
the Spanish language, I would think).
http://www.urologyinstitute.com/html/testis_cancer__germ_cell_tumors.html

My questions would be (after they have reviewed the information that you have
sent):
If the new tumor is removed and the testicle(s), then chemo, is there a chance
of "buying quality" time for my baby?
Is there perhaps even a chance of a remission?
Have you had experience with similar situation (age and type) before? And what
was the outcome?
Do you have any other recommendation?
Is the only option at this time to continue what is currently being done for my
son?

I do not know any of these webpages/doctors, so beware their providing false
hope and trying to get you to take your son over there.  That decision would be
up to you, of course, based on whatever they told you during the telephone
consult. You might even want to record the conversation, to replay it. Some have
different accents, and you may want someone else to listen to it (or ask them to
fax you a written summary of what they had just said on the telephone, so you
could carefully think about it).  I will leave you to think about this. But
seems to me the longer you wait, the more possibly the current tumors will grow
bigger and/or more will appear. So don't think too long, but do watch for other
replies here (from Steph or others) because I do not know/nor want to give you
"false hope" and waste your time and money (with this idea).

J
?.G. - 24 Apr 2004 09:26 GMT
> It would seem so based on what I've just posted for you. (I'm not an expert).
> You posted 19 Mar 2004 that a tumour had been found when Nicolas was born (4
> months earlier).
> I do not understand why they did not remove one or both testicles at the time
> they discovered the first one.

I don?t know either. I have told them to check out hi testicle, but I was
told that there was only some liquid on it, and they didn?t do anything. I
am not blaming anyone, things like this just happen.

> Seems to me they already see the effects if another tumor has appeared (a new
> mass 3 x 1 cm long again on
> his abdomen and spots in his lung).

Well. I told you in other post, that Drs. think it is too soon to see
effects.

> I wish Steph ( or other doctors ) were here to comment.
> I wonder if they are using a palliative dose of chemo (meaning low-dose) because
> they think now it's too late?
> Have you asked them?

No I haven?t. Very good idea. I will ask.

> Another idea would be to send, AND this is only if you can afford it, the
> pathology reports and copies of the scans to one doctor at each of these
> locations.

We are doing so. We will send next week all the information to the
Children?s Hospital Boston, which works closely with the Dana Farba Center
to get a second opinion. We are at this moment not planning to attend there,
but we haven?t decided anything yet.

Thanks again,

?.
J - 24 Apr 2004 21:50 GMT
"Á.G." wrote:

> > Another idea would be to send, AND this is only if you can afford it, the
> > pathology reports and copies of the scans to one doctor at each of these
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Á.

I see you've thought of everything.
Your attitude is admirable.
My best wishes to you and Nicolas.
Keep in touch
J
Dash - 25 Apr 2004 01:17 GMT
 > "?.G." wrote:
 >
 > > > Another idea would be to send, AND this is only if you can afford
it, the
 > > > pathology reports and copies of the scans to one doctor at each of
these
 > > locations.
 > >
 > > We are doing so. We will send next week all the information to the
 > > Children?s Hospital Boston, which works closely with the Dana Farba
Center
 > > to get a second opinion. We are at this moment not planning to attend
there,
 > > but we haven?t decided anything yet.
 > >
 > > Thanks again,
 > >
 > > ?.
 >
 > I see you've thought of everything.
 > Your attitude is admirable.
 > My best wishes to you and Nicolas.
 > Keep in touch
 > J
 >
 J
 I have always noticed the hours of work you put into getting information
 to others right way.
 I have been reading up on "Nicholas", and saw how much you went out of
 your way to help those parents and that little baby. You really bent over
 backwards with the information you got to them right away - I was really
 impressed...down to the doctors they could get a second opinion from...
 despite the slight language barrier.

 J, you have really gone beyond the call of duty - as always!

 A Big Thank you!
 Hugs!
 Jenny  :)
clacy - 23 Apr 2004 20:33 GMT
> Hello to everybody,
> I don?t know what I have already written. Anyway, Nicolas has had his first
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> http://www.limaeco.net/plumaveloz/nicol?s.htm He smiles all day long.
> Regards,

I have clicked on your link, what a happy little boy you have! I am so sorry
to hear how ill he has been with his treatment, but I hope that it is doing
him some good and that all will be well.
You and your family will be in my prayers tonight.

Sinead
Emily - 23 Apr 2004 21:00 GMT
clacy@cwgsy.net said...
> After all these, the baby looks good:
> > http://www.limaeco.net/plumaveloz/nicol?s.htm He smiles all day long.

He is beautiful, and he looks so happy!

I'm so sorry he has to go through all this and I'm sorry you have to
watch him suffer.  I'm a mother myself and I know how hard it can be
to have a child in hospital - although my children have never had
anything very serious.

My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family, especially
for little Nicol?s.  And from my own Nicholas (6 yrs) lots of
{{{{{hugs}}}}} for you all.
?.G. - 23 Apr 2004 22:54 GMT
> You and your family will be in my prayers tonight.
>
> Sinead

We feel is the best thing we can do. It comes to my mind this quote, maybe
because the moment we are living: "Hero is not the one that never fells
down, it is the one that always stands up"
Regards,

?.
J - 23 Apr 2004 21:17 GMT
"Á.G." wrote:

> After all these, the baby looks good:
> http://www.limaeco.net/plumaveloz/nicolás.htm He smiles all day long.
> Regards,

Hello Á,
Nicolas is a very beautiful baby.
My heart goes out to you and Nicolas.
I will post some stuff separately,
J
J - 23 Apr 2004 21:24 GMT
"Á.G." wrote:

> Today we had a TAC and it shows there is a new mass 3 x 1 cm long again on
> his abdomen. Drs. said he also has little spots on the lower part of his
> lungs.
> I am quite worried. The tumor was a germ cell one, but Drs. said the one on
> the stomach is benign and chemo don´t affect benign tumors too much.

I don't think chemo does much for benign tumors.
I remember you saying there was some residual tumor that they were unable to
remove?
Here's part of what you posted earlier (different posts).
" Child stomach Teratoma
The tumor was extended over his stomach, intestinus and pancreas, but could
have been mostly removed. We
await now the results of the mass analysis.
Unfortunately, Nicolás´ tumor is malign.."

I will post more
J
J - 23 Apr 2004 21:43 GMT
> "Á.G." wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> await now the results of the mass analysis.
>  Unfortunately, Nicolás´ tumor is malign.."

http://www.rush.edu/rumc/page-P07219.html - I am only posting some of it...read
the rest please.
Germ cells tumors are malignant (cancerous) or non-malignant (benign,
non-cancerous) tumors that are comprised mostly of germ cells. Germ cells are the
cells that develop in the embryo (fetus, or unborn baby) and become the cells
that make up the reproductive system in males and females. These germ cells
follow a midline path through the body after development and descend into the
pelvis as ovarian cells or into the scrotal sac as testicular cells. Most ovarian
tumors and testicular tumors are of germ cell origin. The ovaries and testes are
called gonads.
Tumor sites outside the gonad are called extragonadal sites. The tumors also
occur along the midline path and can be found in the head, chest, abdomen,
pelvis, and sacrococcygeal (lower back) area.

Germ cell tumors are diagnosed in about 900 children each year. Germ cell tumors
account for 16 percent of all cancers diagnosed in adolescents between the ages
of 15 and 19 years old, and nearly 4 percent of cancers diagnosed in children
younger than 15 years old.

Germ cell tumors can spread (metastasize) to other parts of the body. The most
common sites for metastasis are the lungs, liver, lymph nodes, and central
nervous system. Rarely, germ cell tumors can spread to the bone, bone marrow, and
other organs.

What causes germ cell tumors?
The cause of germ cell tumors is not completely understood. A number of inherited
defects have also been associated with an increased risk of developing germ cell
tumors including the central nervous system and genitourinary tract malformations
and major malformations of the lower spine. Specifically, males with
cryptorchidism (failure of the testes to descend into the scrotal sac) have an
increased risk to develop testicular germ cell tumors. Cryptorchidism can occur
alone, however, and is also present in some genetic syndromes.
In addition, cells from testicular germ cell tumors can have structural
chromosome abnormalities involving chromosome #12, which may explain the
uncontrolled cell growth and tumor formation.

Some genetic syndromes caused by extra or missing sex chromosomes can cause
incomplete or abnormal development of the reproductive system.

What are the symptoms of germ cell tumors?
The following are the most common symptoms of germ cell tumors. However, each
child may experience symptoms differently. Symptoms vary depending on the size
and location of the tumor. Symptoms may include:
a tumor, swelling, or mass that can be felt or seen
elevated levels of alpha-fetoprotein (AFP)
elevated levels of beta-human chorionic gonadotropin (?-HCG)
constipation, incontinence, and leg weakness can occur if the tumor is in the
sacrum (a segment of the vertebral column that forms the top part of the pelvis)
compressing structures
abnormal shape, or irregularity in, testicular size

What are the different types of germ cells?
Diagnosis of germ cell tumors depends on the types of cells involved. The most
common types of germ cell tumors include:

teratomas
Teratomas contain cells from the three germ layers: ectoderm, mesoderm, and
endoderm. Teratomas can be malignant or benign, depending on the maturity and
other types of cells that may be involved. Teratomas are the most common germ
cell tumor found in the ovaries. Sacrococcygeal (tail bone, or distal end of
spinal column) teratomas are the most common germ cell tumors found in childhood.
Because these sacrococcygeal tumors are often visible from the outside of the
body, diagnosis is made early and treatment and/or surgery are initiated early,
making the prognosis for this type of germ cell tumor very favorable.

germinomas
Germinomas are malignant germ cell tumors. Germinomas are also termed
dysgerminoma when located in the ovaries; and seminoma when located in the
testes. Among children, germinoma, or dysgerminoma, occurs most frequently in the
ovary of a pre-pubescent or adolescent female. Dysgerminoma is the most common
malignant ovarian germ cell tumor seen in children and adolescents.

endodermal sinus tumor or yolk sac tumors
Endodermal sinus tumor or yolk sac tumors are germ cell tumors that are most
often malignant, but may also be benign. These tumors are most commonly found in
the ovary, testes, and sacrococcygeal areas (tail bone, or distal end of spinal
column). When found in the ovaries and testes, they are often very aggressive,
malignant, and can spread rapidly through the lymphatic system and other organs
in the body. Yolk sac tumors are the most common malignant testicular and ovarian
tumors in children. Most yolk sac tumors will require surgery and chemotherapy,
regardless of stage or presence of metastasis, because of the aggressive nature
and recurrence of the disease.

choriocarcinoma
Choriocarcinoma is a very rare, but often malignant germ cell tumor that arises
from the cells in the chorion layer of the placenta (during pregnancy, a
blood-rich structure through which the fetus takes in oxygen, food, and other
substances while getting rid of waste products). These cells may form a tumor in
the placental cells during pregnancy and spread (metastasize) to the infant and
mother. When the tumor develops during pregnancy, it is called gestational
choriocarcinoma. Gestational choriocarcinoma most often occurs in pregnant
females that are 15 to19 years of age. If a non-pregnant young child develops
choriocarcinoma from the chorion cells that originated from the placenta that are
still in the body, the term used is non-gestational choriocarcinoma.

embryonal carcinoma
Embryonal carcinoma cells are malignant cells that are usually mixed with other
types of germ cell tumors. They occur most often in the testes. These types of
cells have the ability to spread to other parts of the body. When these cells are
mixed with an otherwise benign type of tumor (mature teratoma), the presence of
embryonal carcinoma cells will cause it to become malignant (cancerous).
Many germ cell tumors have multiple types of cells involved. The diagnosis,
treatment, and prognosis are based on the most malignant of the cells present and
the majority type of cells that are present.
J - 23 Apr 2004 22:00 GMT
http://www.stronghealth.com/services/cancer/aboutcancer/childgermcelltumor.cfm
Childhood Extracranial Germ Cell Tumors
What are Childhood Extracranial Germ Cell Tumors?
Germ cells are the reproductive cells that develop into testicles in boys and ovaries
in girls. Sometimes, but rarely, these cells travel to other areas of the body and
may develop into a rare type of cancer called germ cell tumor (this page covers germ
cell tumors that occur extracranially – everywhere but in the brain). Most germ cell
tumors are benign (noncancerous) and are very rare in children under age 15.

Types of Germ Cell Tumors
Testicular germ cell tumors of early childhood: forms within the testes of young boys

Testicular germ cell tumors of adolescence and young adulthood: occurs within the
testes of older boys; two classifications: seminoma or nonseminoma

Extragonadal, extracranial germ cell tumors of early childhood: any type not located
in either the testicles or ovaries or in the brain; usually located in the sacrum
(section of bone between the hip bones at base of spine) and the coccyx (tailbone)

Extragonadal, extracranial germ cell tumors of adolescence and young adulthood:
usually located within the chest

Ovarian germ cell tumors: affects teenage girls and young women; cancer cells are
found in egg-making cells in an ovary.

Risk Factors
These tumors get their start while the child is still in the mother’s womb, very
early in pregnancy. Cells that are designed to form the reproductive system break
away and travel to other parts of the body. Later in the child’s life, they can
develop into tumors. There is no way to prevent this disease.

Common Symptoms
Symptoms will vary depending on the location of the tumor. Some common symptoms
include:

Constipation
Urinary retention
For boys: painless swelling or mass in the testicles
For girls: abdominal pain

Diagnosing Childhood Extracranial Germ Cell Tumor
If symptoms are present, a doctor will complete a physical exam and may perform other
various tests in order to find the cause of symptoms. Specific tests are determined
by the location of the mass and may include:
CT (or CAT) Scan
Biopsy
Blood tests
Pelvic exam
Laparotomy
Alayne - 23 Apr 2004 21:34 GMT
> Hello to everybody,
> I don?t know what I have already written. Anyway, Nicolas has had his first
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> http://www.limaeco.net/plumaveloz/nicol?s.htm He smiles all day long.
> Regards,

It's tough for all when someone we love is so poorly and it sure must be
tough for you with Nicolas being so young, but he certainly looks a bonnie
baby and my thoughts are with you.

Hugs

Alayne
?.G. - 24 Apr 2004 09:27 GMT
> It's tough for all when someone we love is so poorly and it sure must be
> tough for you with Nicolas being so young, but he certainly looks a bonnie
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Alayne

Thank you very much.
J - 23 Apr 2004 21:38 GMT
"Á.G." wrote:

> Hello to everybody,
> I don´t know what I have already written. Anyway, Nicolas has had his first
> Chemio dosis two weeks ago. He wasn´t feeling very good. Threw up almost
> everyday and two day he bleeded out of his nose. He has loose some weigth
> and two days he got fever.
> Are the symptoms usual?

Earlier Mike mentioned a 'transient drop in white cell and platelet count'
presumably while the body adjusts to the chemo, but I don't know how a baby
tolerates chemo.

I"ve found this website that mentions babies and chemo and nose bleeds
I expect Nicholas' doctors would be watching his blood counts and tell you if
it's getting dangerous?

This mention signs and symptoms and nosebleeds and what to watch for.
J
<http://www.cpmc.org/advanced/pediatrics/patients/topics/bone-marrow-depression.html>

Bone Marrow Depression (as a result of chemotherapy)
White Blood Cells
While blood cells protect the body by fighting the germs that cause infection.
The WSC count indicates the total number of WBCs (white blood cells) present in
the blood. The differential count lists the different types of WBCs and
indicates the percentage of each type. These counts are included in a complete
blood count or CBC. Leukopenia is a common term to describe a low WBC count.
A normal WBC count ranges from I- 0,000/MM3 (5.0 - 10.0).
Children receiving chemotherapy often have a lower normal range for a WBC count
(2 - 5,0001mm3) (2.0 - 5.0).
?.G. - 23 Apr 2004 23:01 GMT
> I"ve found this website that mentions babies and chemo and nose bleeds
> I expect Nicholas' doctors would be watching his blood counts and tell you if
> it's getting dangerous?

They are doing so. We have had tests and as a result of them, blood and
platelets were given to the baby. They are looking closer at his counts, but
since the baby stays with us at home, we must be very carefull with the
symptoms.

?.
J - 03 May 2004 19:37 GMT
Hello Á.G..
This is more regarding to my no longer being able to see your posts here.

I called my ISP (internet service provider) and they said they've not changed
anything recently.
Another company provides a service to ISPs to free themselves from the
equipment, maintenance and administration headaches that come with providing
Usenet access to their customers. They can also improve the quality of Internet
discussions they offer their users at a lower cost.  I am told that company
(for my ISP) would have no interest in filtering your posts.

The tech rep suggested that either you have changed ISP (and I checked Google
and it seems that is not so) or your ISP's related company (as above) is
filtering your posts because too much spam (or other objectionable
posts/emails) is coming to newsgroups from that server. (the server through
which your messages go, before we can see them here).

He suggested that you check it out from your end OR change ISP's. I cannot tell
you what is the right thing to do.
I can only tell you that I can no longer see your posts and if I cannot see
them, I cannot reply.

My best to you and Nicolas (and your family).
J
Socks the white house cat - 03 May 2004 21:26 GMT
Someday in the distant future, archeologists digging thru the ruins of
alt.support.cancer  will discover that J <DownLoad@example.org> had this
to say on 03 May 2004:

> The tech rep suggested that either you have changed ISP (and I checked
> Google and it seems that is not so) or your ISP's related company (as
> above) is filtering your posts because too much spam (or other
> objectionable posts/emails) is coming to newsgroups from that server.
> (the server through which your messages go, before we can see them
> here).

relevant headers:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.20.31.4
X-Complaints-To: usenet@teleline.es
X-Trace: telenews.teleline.es 1083077374 10.20.31.4 (Tue, 27 Apr 2004
16:49:34 MET DST)
Organization: Terra Networks

10.20.31.4 is identified as a private IP address.  some spam filters will
assume a forgery on that basis, and fail to forward the post.

One solution is to determine if NNTP-Posting-Host is an optional header
on teleline.es, and not include it.

teleline.es redirects to terra.es. There are no reported current problems
with terra.es as a spam source that I know of, making localized blocking
seem unlikely.

Signature

Sturgeon's Law as applied to discussion lists
Axiom #3: "Sturgeon's Law (90% of everything is crap) applies to
discussion lists."
Corollary #5: "In an unmoderated discussion, no one can agree on what
constitutes the 10%."
Corollary #6: "Nothing guarantees that the 10% isn't crap, too."

J - 03 May 2004 22:00 GMT
> <snip>
> relevant headers:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> 16:49:34 MET DST)
> Organization: Terra Networks

Hi Socks, Thank you
I'm confused. He has changed ISP's?

Other than the post that Alayne replied to, the last post of his that I can
see on newsgroup is below.

(There are 5 or more recent ones that I can see in Google but not on
newsgroup).

Here's the headers... (of the last one I can see here)
From: "Á.G." <a@a.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
Subject: Re: Anyone on the group who has survived lung cancer and can share
their experiences?
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:17:01 +0200
Organization: ya.com internet factory
Message-ID: <c6dlse$9pb$1@news.ya.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.28.51.92
X-Trace: news.ya.com 1082809038 10027 80.28.51.92 (24 Apr 2004 12:17:18 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ya.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:17:18 +0000 (UTC)

So it is a Supernews problem? http://status.supernews.com/
Under "System Status"
"Throughout Tuesday 27th April 2004, beginning at approximately 1100 PDT
(1800 GMT), we will be migrating to an upgraded back-end cluster delivery
system."
J
 
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