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APR (colon)  & sexual dysfunction

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Jamo - 21 Apr 2004 23:23 GMT
Dear group,
   Does anyone have any ideas about APR and the rate of sexual dysfunction
following the procedure? I've read on some websites that it occurs about 40
percent of the time due to the proximity of a nerve bundle to the rectal
area. I've also read that rates are, in actuality, much lower than this. If
anyone can add just what, precisely, the dysfunction _is_, I'd sincerely
appreciate it.
Thanks for your time,
Best,
Morgs.
J - 22 Apr 2004 01:35 GMT
> Dear group,
>     Does anyone have any ideas about APR and the rate of sexual dysfunction
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> Best,
> Morgs.

Hello Morgs,
It's my understanding that the rectum is close to the prostate. I see "nerve
sparing" surgery discussed on the prostate cancer newsgroup. Some mention loss
of capability of erection (ED - erectile dysfunction) if damage or loss of some
nerves. - doesn't happen to every one of them though. And I don't know if
"nerve sparing" is possible in your husband's situation. Not to mention how
radiation therapy might affect such - a question for the radiation oncologist.

There are some medications that sometimes help with that or various other
methods mentioned here.
http://www.treatments-for-erectile-dysfunction.com/html/erection-aids.php3

This web page mentions http://www.colorectal-cancer.net/surgeryrectalcancer.htm

Many patients would like to avoid a permanent colostomy. When the rectal cancer
lies close to the sphincter or anus, an APR is typically recommended. In some
instances, a more limited surgery can be used avoiding a colostomy, or
radiation therapy can be used to shrink the rectal cancer prior to surgery
allowing the patient to maintain control of bowel function. Some small rectal
cancers that lie close to the anus can be removed with less extensive surgery,
called a local excision. Not all patients can undergo a local excision (see
Local Excision below).

Patients undergoing an APR may experience lower abdominal pain after the
operation. Less common complications related to surgery include bleeding,
infection, slow wound healing, and temporary difficulty with emptying the
bladder. Some men may experience sexual dysfunction after surgery. Ask the
surgeon to explain the various complications and their frequency of occurrence
at the hospital where the surgery will be performed."  Which I think is
excellent advice !

I'm not sure that you'll ever find definitive percentages (and/or they'll
vary). And your husband is 100% of him, in other words each situation is very
individual. I suppose you could ask each surgeon their rate of success, if
known, if you see more than one.

I know some posters get 2nd opinions, especially on surgeries. That will be up
to your husband and you. Perhaps your husband just wants to get on with it.
Some people get more nervous the longer the wait, so let's see what happens
after the meeting Monday and do take a short list of questions to ask.
Keep in touch,
Hope this helps somehow.
J
.
Jamo - 22 Apr 2004 03:08 GMT
> > Dear group,
> >     Does anyone have any ideas about APR and the rate of sexual dysfunction
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> "nerve sparing" is possible in your husband's situation. Not to mention how
> radiation therapy might affect such - a question for the radiation oncologist.

> There are some medications that sometimes help with that or various other
> methods mentioned here.
> http://www.treatments-for-erectile-dysfunction.com/html/erection-aids.php3
>
> This web page mentions http://www.colorectal-cancer.net/surgeryrectalcancer.htm

Thanks, J.

> Many patients would like to avoid a permanent colostomy. When the rectal cancer
> lies close to the sphincter or anus, an APR is typically recommended. In some
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> called a local excision. Not all patients can undergo a local excision (see
> Local Excision below).

The surgeon says that radio/chemo pre-surgery can eliminate the tumor, but
he prefers to perform surgery regardless to make sure the cancer is gone. In
other words, he wants to perform an APR regardless, which is something I
understand (why take chances that the radio/chemo didn't get _all_ of the
cancer).

> Patients undergoing an APR may experience lower abdominal pain after the
> operation. Less common complications related to surgery include bleeding,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> at the hospital where the surgery will be performed."  Which I think is
> excellent advice !

It is, absolutely. I am grateful for the question suggestions, as I tend to
get tongue-tied and can't even read my list. I have to confess that I'm not
sure the surgeon listens to me--I'm the nosy wife, you know?--becasue he
kept brushing off my attempts and refocusing on Baz. I tihnk I'll print off
a list of such questions and give them to my husband to ask.

> I'm not sure that you'll ever find definitive percentages (and/or they'll
> vary). And your husband is 100% of him, in other words each situation is very
> individual. I suppose you could ask each surgeon their rate of success, if
> known, if you see more than one.

I like the 100%.

> I know some posters get 2nd opinions, especially on surgeries. That will be up
> to your husband and you. Perhaps your husband just wants to get on with it.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> J
> .
You've helped tremendously. Sincerely, thank you J.
Steph - 22 Apr 2004 02:49 GMT
> Dear group,
>     Does anyone have any ideas about APR and the rate of sexual dysfunction
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Best,
> Morgs.

40% is about right. The figures vary depending on: a) the surgeon b) the
tumour and c) how diligently problems are recorded after treatment
Jamo - 22 Apr 2004 03:13 GMT
> > Dear group,
> >     Does anyone have any ideas about APR and the rate of sexual
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> 40% is about right. The figures vary depending on: a) the surgeon b) the
> tumour and c) how diligently problems are recorded after treatment

Steph,
How do you mean by "how diligently problems are recorded after treatment"? I
don't want to misunderstand. Do you mean a) not all post-surgery results are
recorded (thus missing out on some cases) or b) sexual dysfunction can occur
due to post-surgery problems?
Thank you.
Best,
Morgs
Steph - 22 Apr 2004 06:07 GMT
> Steph,
> How do you mean by "how diligently problems are recorded after treatment"? I
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Best,
> Morgs

Unfortunately, unless post surgical problems are very systematically
recorded after surgery, they aren't recorded at all! Surgical series in the
literature are notoriously bad at objectively recording treatment
side-effects (non-surgical series aren't much better...)

Your a) is correct
 
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