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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / March 2006By posting to this newsgroup you agree to
http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/charter.html *partial copy/paste* By posting to this group, you acknowledge having read the FAQs document, and agree to adhere to it. You further agree that failure to abide is grounds for members of alt.support.cancer to blacklist you and file formal complaints with your ISP or web host. Members of alt.support.cancer hereby give notice that any failure to abide by the FAQs will be prosecuted fully at their discretion. By posting to this group, you agree to hold alt.support.cancer members harmless for prosecution of those complaints. You must abide by your Internet Service Provider's Acceptable Use Policy to be a member in good standing of alt.support.cancer. Violation of your ISP's AUP is a violation of our policies and opens you to prosecution by the group. Understand that these are other human beings you are communicating with and that normal legalities and proprieties that are appropriate in public are applicable in alt.support.cancer. Criminal activities will not be tolerated. Usenet/ISP AUP commercial posting violations will be prosecuted, one occurrence will be considered an offense. It is a shame that you are are so blind and won't give non traditional medicine a go. what happens when conventional medicine just won't work? > http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/charter.html > *partial copy/paste* [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Usenet/ISP AUP commercial posting violations will be prosecuted, one > occurrence will be considered an offense. > It is a shame that you are are so blind and won't give non traditional > medicine a go. what happens when conventional medicine just won't work? Why believe in the tooth-fairy? Someday in the distant future, archeologists digging thru the ruins of alt.support.cancer will discover that "Figjamok" <figjamok@optusnet.com.au> had this to say on 15 Apr 2004: > It is a shame that you are are so blind and won't give non traditional > medicine a go. what happens when conventional medicine just won't work? can the rules of the group be expanded to prohibit top posting, or do they already cover that?  Signatureofficially recognized SPEWS puppet ISO certification and everything I AM SPEWS (SLAPP PREVENTION ELECTRONIC WHITENOISE SYSTEM) > can the rules of the group be expanded to prohibit top posting, or do they > already cover that? Hi Socks, Yes, the Charter covers that (but not under the "Prohibited" part), and some bottom-post, some comply when I request it, others get in "a snit" (or feel there's too many rules) about it. If you are requesting that it be put in the Prohibited part, I'd be pleased to forward the request to Jerry who maintains the FAQ. ;-) http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/charter.html Please do not ask us to e-mail you for information; after all, this is a newsgroup. If it can't be posted to the group it won't pass the smell test. Patients and caregivers please do not post your name, address, or telephone number on this newsgroup. It is OK to remain anonymous. Since 1981, all posts to newsgroups are archived by Google. Please use good netiquette, trim quoted material (long messages) or unnecessary cross posting in your replies, and avoid top posting and SHOUTING. Don't assume that your message will be read at the same time as the post you are replying to, and don't assume that all readers will be using a threaded newsreader. By quoting the relevant parts of the message you are replying to, it provides a context for your reply. Your message will make more sense to readers if you reply below quoted text. This is true if the reader has not seen the post to which you are replying, or reads it out-of-order. Read The power of negative thinking: The seven don'ts of Usenet, or how to excel without doing anything. http://www.cs.tut.fi/%7Ejkorpela/usenet/dont.html" J PS Bet'cha many don't understand what he means by "shouting" (above) what is top posting? I have the feeling is something I am doing. I will appreciate an short explanation about the rules. I didn?t kown newsgroups have rules, besides some manners and trying not to offend the other. Regards, ?. > > can the rules of the group be expanded to prohibit top posting, or do they > > already cover that? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > J > PS Bet'cha many don't understand what he means by "shouting" (above) I think what you did and what I'm doing is called top posting. That is, putting the new text content right up on top where people can see it and not buried on the bottom of the message where people have to dig to find it. For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would _want_ bottom of message replies, unless they plan to save the messages for later review (therefore they only need the last one and everything is in order...) I think this issue and the convention is entirely dependant on your newsreader software. I mean, I would consider it rude and unpleasant to force your reader to go searching for your reply when the "quoted" material is really for reference anyway. Other people (I believe due to their newsreader software) think it is rude to post at the top of the replies because you wind up building a backwards chronological order document with the original message at the very bottom and each reply above it. Maybe their newsreader programs automatically index to the bottom of the message. I don't know. I really don't understand how or why anyone wouldn't post at the top of the message. It is like putting the cans in the cupboard with the labels facing the back wall... why would you make it inconvenient on purpose? Maybe I just don't understand some key piece of information about the bottom-poster folks' world. Typically, I would reply "interspersed", where the reply is right next to the thing I'm replying to. I'm sure that drives the top-poster and bottom-poster fanatics right up a wall. It isn't that I don't care, it is that I see the issue like a Dr. Seuss book about butter on top or butter on bottom. >what is top posting? I have the feeling is something I am doing. I will >appreciate an short explanation about the rules. I didn´t kown newsgroups [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> J >> PS Bet'cha many don't understand what he means by "shouting" (above) Someday in the distant future, archeologists digging thru the ruins of alt.support.cancer will discover that wolfgang <wolfgangNOSPAM@juno.com> had this to say on 15 Apr 2004: > I think what you did and what I'm doing is called top posting. That > is, putting the new text content right up on top where people can see [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > messages for later review (therefore they only need the last one and > everything is in order...) The problem with top posting is that people need to scroll up and down to see what the top poster is replying to. Also, most top posters tend not to snip stuff from the original message that isnt relevant to their reply. No, I dont want bottom of message replies. If for instance I ask five questions in my message, I would like to see the answer to question 1 below question 1, and the answer to question 2 below question 2. Then if you dont have answers to 3, 4, and 5, you delete them as irrelevant to your post. That is neither top posting nor bottom posting. It is called posting in context. Signatureofficially recognized SPEWS puppet ISO certification and everything I AM SPEWS (SLAPP PREVENTION ELECTRONIC WHITENOISE SYSTEM) > The problem with top posting is that people need to scroll up and down to > see what the top poster is replying to. Also, most top posters tend not to > snip stuff from the original message that isnt relevant to their reply. Which leads to bandwidth problems. http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html Also some people have to pay line charges (is my understanding), so the longer the post, the higher their bill is and/or some have "limited service" at their ISP (only so many hours/month of use). J > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html Okay. I am convinced. Thank you, ?. > <snip> For the life of me I can't understand why anyone > would _want_ bottom of message replies, <snip> http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html#ss2.3 > I think this issue and the convention is entirely dependant on your > newsreader software. <big snip> Most newsreaders have a setting "start my reply above the quoted text" or "start my reply below the quoted text". J I agree with you. It is much easier to read the top-posted messages, rather than having to shift down thru the post to get the new stuff. MB > I think what you did and what I'm doing is called top posting. That > is, putting the new text content right up on top where people can see [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > >> J > >> PS Bet'cha many don't understand what he means by "shouting" (above) Someday in the distant future, archeologists digging thru the ruins of alt.support.cancer will discover that "MB" <mel@prodigy.invalid.net> had this to say on 16 Apr 2004: > I agree with you. It is much easier to read the top-posted messages, > rather than having to shift down thru the post to get the new stuff. of course it is easier, when the bozo doing the top posting fails to snip stuff not relevant to the reply. I scrolled all the way to the bottom. I found zero added comment from you on about 95% of the stuff you quoted. If you had posted your reply below the statement that you were agreeing with, it would have been far simpler for you to determine what 95% was not relevant, and therefor snippable. For instance, below are a couple of random lines that you did not snip. That is, you judged them to be relevant to your reply: > >> If you are requesting that it be put in the Prohibited part, I'd be > >pleased to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >> Please do not ask us to e-mail you for information; after all, this > >> is a > >> newsgroup. If it can't be posted to the group it won't pass the > >> smell [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >> all > >posts so now, explain to me the relevance of those lines to your statement advocating top posting. Why did you leave them in? I saw no comment from you that in my view was related to those original statements. Signatureofficially recognized SPEWS puppet ISO certification and everything I AM SPEWS (SLAPP PREVENTION ELECTRONIC WHITENOISE SYSTEM) > I agree with you. It is much easier to read the top-posted messages, rather > than having to shift down thru the post to get the new stuff. <big snip> what is this "shift down"? Shift+Page Down? Shift+Down Arrow? (doesn't work for me) Spacebar (or scrollbar) lets me read through long posts. (Reading down, through a long post, while replying is another story). J >> can the rules of the group be expanded to prohibit top posting, or do they >> already cover that? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >J >PS Bet'cha many don't understand what he means by "shouting" (above) Well sometimes the CAP LOCKS stick and one don't realize it. and others just have no online manners or training. "But hey that is just my take and hey I could be wrong" Frank (aka) "stew" FlexIbility@example.net said... > J > PS Bet'cha many don't understand what he means by "shouting" (above) Sadly, there are a lot of people whose caps lock key seems to have stuck... Is this supposed to be a moderated group? Mel > > can the rules of the group be expanded to prohibit top posting, or do they > > already cover that? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > J > PS Bet'cha many don't understand what he means by "shouting" (above) > Is this supposed to be a moderated group? By means of the Charter, yes. By the real meaning of "moderated newsgroup", no. That takes "moderators" who can partly automate but have to continue monitoring and doing other types of work related to a moderated newsgroup and if they leave/cannot continue maintenance and technical issues, the newsgroup falls into disuse. No posts get into the moderated newsgroup. And if you want to look at a moderated group alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info (has very few posts) vs a non-moderated alt.med.fibromyalgia (which is heavily used) OR looking at it another way, see what's happened to alt.support.cancer.testicular and all the garbage posted there Use the archives to see what I mean, if you don't want to subscribe to them http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search I'm trying to "strike a balance" but as usual "we can't please everyone". J I understand the desire for some kind of moderation in the posts (especially regarding the hucksters selling their dubious wares). But, it seems to me, unless this is a truly moderated group (ie: a formal moderator), there isn't a whole lot to be done. I would prefer that we either have a formal moderator or we don't. But if we don't (and that would be my preference) then I cringe at having a "self-appointed moderator." Mel > > Is this supposed to be a moderated group? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I'm trying to "strike a balance" but as usual "we can't please everyone". > J In responce to all the bullshit that has flowed through this arsehole in the world of self centered w.nkers, I wish to totally disassociate myself from the previous statement that was dragged onto this frivaless web site for people that have nothing better to do with their time. 1. These claims were made by my now ex lying girlfriend Robin Diane Harris of 14 Torres Ave Whallen Sydney Australia. PH 0424 964 064 or 0424 666 327. She faked cancer to get my sympathy. 2. To all those who referred to me as a quack spammer or the like, I suggest that you contact her at the above address, as she is the one who conspired this story. 3. To anyone who actually has cancer, is sick or dying and is actually telling the truth, I have nothing but compassion for your situation, however, if you are lying I HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL FOR ETERNITY WITH THE SKANKY LYING JUNKIE PUB WHORE THAT CREATED SO MUCH TRAUMA IN MY LIFE. Cancer has no room for this type of behaviour, only for the true victims. 4. Kindest regards to all (Except Robin). |
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