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Daffman - 04 Apr 2004 01:12 GMT
How in the world does a person get through the evenings alone after a spouse
passes away?  I have so much time on my hands right now that I find that I
can't seem to make the time pass.  Since I have been home, I find that I am
crying more and not willing to do anything, with the exception of walking my
dog. It doesn't make things any better that my only single friend lives in
another city.  everyone else is in a relationship.  This really sucks!  I
miss Patrick so much!   I can't seem to remember what I did with myself
before Patrick.  I really can't.  I know I didn't just sit around all day,
but for the life of me I really can't seem to get up the energy to take
charge of my life.  I start back to work right after Easter, and I hope that
will help me get through these long days without him.  Other than that,
Rockie, our dog is also depressed, I have to take her to the vet next month
for her yearly checkup before flea season starts so if we are not better and
up to it by then I will talk to her vet as well as my doctor.  I already
talked to my doctor once this month, but I didn't bring up this because I
had other issues to be dealt with first, like my back aching and causing me
not to sleep.  Anyway, I just needed an outlet.  It seems like although only
a month has gone by since Patrick's passing, everyone has their own life and
I don't want to interrupt it.  thanks for listening .
Salisha
Trish Knight - 04 Apr 2004 03:41 GMT
> How in the world does a person get through the evenings alone after a spouse
> passes away?  I have so much time on my hands right now that I find that I
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> I don't want to interrupt it.  thanks for listening .
> Salisha
Dear Salisha,
I wish I could give you a big hug.....I'm so sorry.  I hope that when you go
back to work, it will be a good thing for you.  You're in my thoughts.

((((( Salisha )))))

Trish
J - 04 Apr 2004 03:51 GMT
> How in the world does a person get through the evenings alone after a spouse
> passes away?  I have so much time on my hands right now that I find that I
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> I don't want to interrupt it.  thanks for listening .
> Salisha

Hello Salisha,
This is the time, when all the "hub-bub" has abated and you are alone with
yourself.  I just read that males tend to deal with the loss and lonely feeling
by doing (projects etc) and women tend to gravitate to other women for emotional
support. I don't know that that's always true.  Thinking back ....

Loss # 1 - self-improvement program, then I moved
Loss # 2 - deep depression, counselling sessions through various mediums,
medications, projects such as crafts and gardening and tropical fish.  Siamese
fighting fish and other cicchlids (sp?) and other aquarium guests, culminating
in my favorite fish (Sam) dying and that was the end of a 2-year foray into
tropical fish. Then I changed emoloyment and met new people which opened up a
new world.
Loss # 3 - Immersed myself in books to find out why I had wasted so much time on
fish the other time <smile> and grovelled in mourning (going over photos and
listening to sad songs and songs that reminded me of the "we" part) until the
cloud finally lifted and I started wanting human contact again. Then my friend
and I started going out to every place of interest we could think of: a tattoo
parlour just to look at the tattooes and chat with the shop people, some
unmentionables, some camping, yoga, walking and biking, some classes at the
local college, some concerts or bands when they came by etc etc.

So I guess you'll have to write the book on how Salisha comes out of this and
what is the best thing to do. If you are interested in projects, I think your
ISP provides a web space. You could look into designing a simple (non-complex)
tribute page to Patrick. Nobody need see it. It only gets seen if you actually
share the url with someone. You may already have the software, perhaps called
Publisher on your computer. Here's a sample on one that a lady on another
newsgroup made for our Rian
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/eccentricity/friends/rian.html She just copied her
daughter's e-mail into it, then added photos. However, the text can be whatever
a person wishes, it can be centred and have a nice background and various styles
of fonts. There's  a way to designate where on the page the photos will be, the
title, etc etc.

There's also a page called  photoisland.com where a person can upload scanned
photos into a folder which is passworded. And again you would only share that
with those you choose to, or just learn how to upload photos, resize them,
organize, title them etc.
http://atlantic.photoisland.com/photosharing/ It's free.

You could also post to alt.support.grief (or read there) and see if there's any
ideas there. If you happen to "connect" with someone there, you might choose to
contact them and find out if they are on any of the instant messengers (AOL,
MSN, ICQ) etc so you could have an online buddy, that you could "page" whenever
you are online and wished to chat.  But beware "wolves" on the online
messengers.

As to books, there's a list here http://griefnet.org/library/biblio/widowed.html

These two are from the alt.support.grief FAQ
"How to Survive the Loss of a Love: 58 things to do when there is  Nothing to be
Done"
by Peter McWilliams, Harold H. Bloomfield, Melba Colgrove
Publisher: Mary Book / Prelude Pr; Reprint edition (November 1993)  ISBN:
0931580439
Originally published 1976.  Systematic treatment of loss.  Deals  with lovelorn,
etc.
Points of view from clinical to personal.
Treats death of a loved one as a category of "loss".

"A Compassionate, Practical Guide to being a Widow"  by Lynn Caine
Publisher: Penguin Books Copyright 1990

My friend's 2nd dog passed away and her other dog is mourning. I think the dog
is also mourning the previous atmosphere in the home, so perhaps once you start
working and getting back into a new routine your dog will start to perk up.
She's immersed herself into a "spring cleaning" rampage. That's her way of
coping for now. I know it's not the same, yet her husband has immersed himself
in projects in the shop, so in a way she's had two losses, his happy presence
and her beloved pet.

There may be others mourning in your community and it may be a time to make new
friends. Perhaps a stop in at a local coffee shop and eaves-dropping on the
gossipers might give you a hint, or you could partner (be a check-in person for)
with an elderly person who lives alone who might enjoy talking on the telephone
with you, when you find evenings tough to get through and you never know. You
may each have much to learn from each other.

These are just some ideas. You do what you think best for you.
Meantime, I'm here and reading and caring and hopefully Emily and Alayne and
others will be around soon to send you some hugs. I see that Trish just posted.
I imagine once you are back at work things will be a little less lonely for you.
I do hope your puppy will feel better soon.
( ( ( Salisha ) ) )
J
alexk - 04 Apr 2004 04:55 GMT
I think your loss is very real and your reactions are normal. The
in-services I have been to say after 6 months if you are still actively
grieving you may need help.
Going back to work will help. Don't be too hard on yourself.

> How in the world does a person get through the evenings alone after a spouse
> passes away?  I have so much time on my hands right now that I find that I
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> I don't want to interrupt it.  thanks for listening .
> Salisha
Alayne - 04 Apr 2004 10:14 GMT
> How in the world does a person get through the evenings alone after a spouse
> passes away?  I have so much time on my hands right now that I find that I
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> I don't want to interrupt it.  thanks for listening .
> Salisha

Hi Salisha,

Sorry that things are feeling tough for you right now.  You are probably
feeling "extra" lonely because so much of your time was spent caring for
Patrick and now that he is at peace, there is a rather large "hole" of time
to fill.  I found that the only way to try and fill this "hole" was to
distract myself with something.  I decided to decorate my house from top to
bottom and now that is nearly complete I am looking into selling my house
and moving somewhere bigger. This sounds really crass, but do you have a
hobby or something that you really wanted to do but never had the time for?

I know what you mean about being the only one that is single, it takes time
to adjust to and personally I can't abide being called a widow!  I miss the
convesation and hugs the most and found myself drawn to the NG in the early
days 3/4 times a day because it felt that I was still communicating with the
outside world.

It's tough Salisha, not as tough as dealing with the cancer and we adjusted
to that, but tough all the same.  Just take each day as it comes.  Returning
to work will be a blessing for you.  People thought that I was so strange
returning a fortnight after Tony died, but it got me out of the house, back
into the world and made me focus that life still turns.

Of course I still miss Tony dreadfully but my tears flow perhaps once a week
now rather than 10 times a day.  It doesn't mean to say that I have
forgotten him (how could I!!) but it does mean that my life has now taken on
a different pattern and I know that Tony would be glad that I am getting on
with things and that I am coping.  And I am sure that Patrick would be
rooting for you too.

Mega Hugs Salisha

Alayne

p.s.  Come back for a rant/hug/company any time!!
Daffman - 04 Apr 2004 22:38 GMT
Hi Alayne,

I think that is what I miss the most, the conversations and the hugs, the
smiles and the laughs.  The last 6 months of Patrick's life weren't all that
eventful.  He was able to celebrate his 25th birthday and my 26th and we did
travel a bit in October, but other than that, we stayed home most of the
time.  I really can't say we did much more than what I do now, but it all
seems so much lonelier.  I find that I check the NG more often now than I
did before.  I find that I have thoughts of different things that aren't
exactly what I need to think about and frankly they scare the hell out of
me.  I would much rather be with him than here on earth and that is a very
frightening thought for me.  I know I would never do it but I still have the
thoughts sometimes.
I miss him so much, I just don't know what I will do by myself.  I have
hopes and dreams for the future but they had all included the love of my
life and now it just isn't going to happen.  Depression is a scary thing and
frankly I am happy to be going back to work and have some normalcy.  I am
just scared that the depression will win in the end. I guess I will just
have to wait and see.
Salisha
Alayne - 05 Apr 2004 09:58 GMT
> Hi Alayne,
>
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> have to wait and see.
> Salisha

Salisha,

Honey, I so know what you are going through, it's almost like you are
reading a diary I could have wrote!

The feelings that you are experiencing are incredibly normal.  When Tony
first died, it made me question the purpose to an awful lot of things
including the meaning of life, I had an awful lot of Why's buzzing in my
head: why should I lose my husband when he is so young; why should my girls
have to grow up without a daddy; why should my grandchildren never have a
granddad before they have even started out in life etc. etc.

I couldn't find an answer to any of my questions despite a lot of soul
searching because basically there isn't one.  It is simply a case of what
will be will be (shrugs, we got dealt a bad hand).

The most serious question I had to ask myself was "what is the point to it
all"?  Yeah, at times I felt like joining him, but I can guarantee you that
is so not what either Tony or Patrick would want for us.  I think that
losing a treasured partner makes us sit back and take stock of our lives and
then question them where we have never done so before.  BUT, if you think
about it each and every one of us is aging and therefore dying anyway, it is
all a matter of what time we have.  To pull myself through I tried to think
of all the other wives that have survived the loss of their partners, of all
the divorcees that learnt to cope without their husbands, I must be a drop
in the ocean in the real world.

You need to go back to work Salisha or to find something that you can focus
your energy on and distract you slightly from your sadness.

I don't know why or how it occurs but one day you will feel a smile turn up
at the corner of your mouth, the tears will have begun to trickle rather
than downpour, your memories of Patrick will be focused more on the good
than on the suffering.  A crass comparison could be the changing of the
seasons, I get really depressed during the long winter months but then one
day I notice that the sun has shone for a while, that the daffodils have
started to bloom and I begin to enjoy the smaller things for what they are.

We will never forget Tony or Patrick, we should feel honoured that we have
shared some of our lives with them but we also have to learn to move on from
them.  Rather like them being ships that sailed into our harbour, we enjoyed
them while they were moored, but now they have gone on to other countries
and we are still in the harbour, looking out across the ocean at all the
other ships that pass on through.

It gets better Salisha, it might seem like it never will right now,but take
it from one that knows, it does honey.

Mega Hugs to you Babes

Alayne>
slykitten - 05 Apr 2004 06:56 GMT
Salisha...
It's been a few days and my computer has freaked out for whatever insane
reason.... but it's up now and I have read this thread and to be honest....
I know that divorce is no comparison to the death of a spouse.... I hated my
ex because of the abuse he dished out on me.... but I found something really
strange.... I actually missed him for a time once I left him. my evenings
were so long.... my days were boring (usually we'd either be fighting on the
phone or fighting at home, either way, my time was always spent doing
something) and over time, I got used to it. Now, like I said, divorce is no
comparison because I hated my ex... however, my current dh and I have spoken
at length about how to go on should something happen to one of us.... I used
to take for granted the time we have together.... it wasn't until my grandma
died that I realized that I needed to stop taking for granted what we have.
My grampa and I talk at length on a regular basis about his days. right now,
he's not doing much. April 10th will be the one year mark. it's been a very
tough year. he's spent a lot of sleepless nights wandering the house,
watching the History channel or CNN.... he sits on grandma's favorite chair,
he curls up with her favorite sweater.... the ache in my heart I highly
doubt is anything compared to the pain in his.... I'm scared of what my life
would be like without my dh now. I don't want to imagine but sometimes, we
talk about it.
before I stick my foot further into my mouth so to speak.... let me just say
that you're in my thoughts.... I'm so sorry that you're feeling so down. If
I could, I'd hug you and tell you that eventually the pain of grief will
lessen and become more bearable. Since it's not possible, let me offer you a
cyber hug and let you know still that one day, the pain of grief will become
bearable and soon, you'll find yourself smiling at fond memories.
((((((((((((((((((((((Salisha))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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"Many have forgotten this truth, but you must not forget it.
You remain responsible, forever, for what you have tamed."
~Antoine de Saint-Exupery

> How in the world does a person get through the evenings alone after a spouse
> passes away?  I have so much time on my hands right now that I find that I
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> I don't want to interrupt it.  thanks for listening .
> Salisha
Daffman - 05 Apr 2004 20:44 GMT
Thank you sly...it means alot....
Salisha
slykitten - 06 Apr 2004 00:06 GMT
I hope that you get to having some good days soon!

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"Many have forgotten this truth, but you must not forget it.
You remain responsible, forever, for what you have tamed."
~Antoine de Saint-Exupery

> Thank you sly...it means alot....
> Salisha
Emily - 05 Apr 2004 18:31 GMT
Daffman@yeah.right.com said...
> It seems like although only
> a month has gone by since Patrick's passing, everyone has their own life and
> I don't want to interrupt it.  thanks for listening .

Don't be so silly, you're not 'interrupting' anything!  In case you
haven't noticed, we've been here waiting for you to say something
like this.  Now you listen to me my girl: get yourself off to your
doctor pronto and get a course of antidepressants.  It may only need
to be a short-term thing, just to get you back on track, but it's
what you need right now.  And that, young lady, is NOW, not tomorrow
or next week, but *NOW*.

Right, now I've got that off my chest... here's a big bar of
chocolate and loads of hugs to help you on your way.

{{{{{{{{{{Salisha}}}}}}}}}}

Keep popping in love, we want to know how you're doing, and we
especially want to know if you're feeling like this.  We can't help
unless we know, see?  {{{{{more hugs}}}}}
Alayne - 05 Apr 2004 19:39 GMT
> Daffman@yeah.right.com said...
> > It seems like although only
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> especially want to know if you're feeling like this.  We can't help
> unless we know, see?  {{{{{more hugs}}}}}

Amen Emily!!  (Ever been a School Headmistress??!)

Worthy words (and I wouldn't want to cross her! - unless it was in the dash
to the chocolate....)

I think that you are both Great Babes and the world is a better place with
you both in it (and hey, I don't do compliments, it's not a biker's thing!)

Hugs Both

Alayne
Emily - 05 Apr 2004 20:11 GMT
totallyfake@emailaddress.com said...
> Amen Emily!!  (Ever been a School Headmistress??!)

No, just BTDT etc.
Alayne - 06 Apr 2004 09:31 GMT
> totallyfake@emailaddress.com said...
> > Amen Emily!!  (Ever been a School Headmistress??!)
>
> No, just BTDT etc.

Sorry, scratches blonde head in confusion and not up with the lingo - BTDT??
(Better Try Dark Truffles...?)<g>

Alayne
Emily - 06 Apr 2004 21:26 GMT
totallyfake@emailaddress.com said...

> > totallyfake@emailaddress.com said...
> > > Amen Emily!!  (Ever been a School Headmistress??!)
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> Sorry, scratches blonde head in confusion and not up with the lingo - BTDT??
> (Better Try Dark Truffles...?)<g>

Better Try Dark Truffles?  I like the sound of that!  But no, it's
Been There Done That.
Daffman - 05 Apr 2004 20:43 GMT
Hi girls,
I know, I know, I am just hoping that I can work through this without the
use of drugs.  I have sleep aids, which I don't use every night. The last
thing I need is to be dependant on meds.  I have anti anxiety med (ativan)
that I use on the occasional panic attack, but nothing else.  I have been
prescribed massage therapy for my back and headaches and am just waiting for
cash flow to begin to start them.
I think that they will also help me to relax, and give me time to put things
into perspective without physical pain increasing my emotional pain.
I promise that if this depression and stuff keeps up, I will seek help from
my doctor.  I want to try to beat this on my own.  I used to work in Mental
health and I know all about the different medications available, I also have
worked with suicide intervention and severe depression clients.  I know what
the signs are, even though mine may be a little skewed because I am
assessing myself, but my employer has a great employee assistance program
for counselling and I will look into it.  I have a great bunch of people
that I work with.  It helps to work in health care!  I also work as a
intervention counsellor in a group home for at risk teen girls, which
coincidentally I start this Sunday.  Sucker for punishment or a way to heal?
I haven't quite decided yet, I guess I will have to wait and see.
I looked through some pictures today, and saw some of Patrick last new years
(2003).  We had such a good time that night:) he looked so happy.  I shed
some tears, but not the downpour that I had the other day.  I am having an
ok day today.  That's a start.
Anyway, I will promise both of you that if my depression gets out of
control, and my work doesn't make it any better, I will see my Doctor.  I
will ask her for anti depressants, but for the nights, I will just hop on
here and leave notes.  I will eventually drive everyone else nuts, but
that's alright, they can always block my messages :)  Thank you to you both
for being there, it means alot.  You are both very special people too
((((Hugs))))  Alayne & Emily  - you are both special angels.
Salisha
Trish Knight - 06 Apr 2004 01:27 GMT
<snip>
>Alayne & Emily  - you are both special angels.

Yes, they are, Salisha, and so are you!!

Sending lots of thoughts and hugs to you,
Trish
Alayne - 06 Apr 2004 09:27 GMT
> Hi girls,
> I know, I know, I am just hoping that I can work through this without the
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> ((((Hugs))))  Alayne & Emily  - you are both special angels.
> Salisha

You hop on in here anytime you like Salisha, I'll be a listening.

Alayne
Jill - 06 Apr 2004 15:27 GMT
> Hi girls,
> I know, I know, I am just hoping that I can work through this without the
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> ((((Hugs))))  Alayne & Emily  - you are both special angels.
> Salisha

Salisha,
I'm wishing you the best. I'm here too! Just a little slow sometimes.
I just wanted you to know I care.
Lots of Hugs,
Jill
LVLindave - 09 Apr 2004 01:48 GMT
Hello Everyone,
I'm here for you too.  I also have a very depressed dog.  I started taking him
to the "doggy park" near the house and it seemed to help.  There were lots of
other people there too so if I needed to talk to somebody to assure myself that
I was still sane there were people.  I stayed off by myself though.  I don't
want to get another dog but "Bugst" had Dave home with him all day since we got
him almost two years ago.
An odd thing that hasn't been mentioned...so a question???I can't take my
weddding ring off my hand...I feel absolutely naked and vulnerable without it.
I asked my daughter to get a good chain for me for mothers day.  I hope by then
i will be able to take the ring off my hand and wear it around my neck.
Although, I don't have to take it off.  For the first time in my life really I
don't have to do anything that I don't personally and totally want to do.  It's
a freedom that I am not totally enjoying.  I am responsible only to myself.
Love,   Linda
Daffman - 09 Apr 2004 02:20 GMT
I know what you mean about the ring.  I have a birthstone/engagement ring
that looks like a tear drop.  I turned it around on my finger as soon as
Patrick passed away because the tear faces outward.  I think that when I am
ready, I will turn it back towards me to symbolize me feeling 'happy' again.
I wear my chain that he gave me 3 years ago and the locket that I got this
Christmas.  I never take it off.  The other thing that I never take off is
his chain that I gave him 3 years ago. It was only off of him during his
surgeries and x-rays, even then he would put it around my neck for safe
keeping.  His mom took it off of him when he passed and put is on me.  I
know that I will never take it off.  It reminds me of better days.
Hugs
Salisha
Gene Fuller - 09 Apr 2004 05:37 GMT
> Hello Everyone,

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> An odd thing that hasn't been mentioned...so a question???I can't take my
> weddding ring off my hand...I feel absolutely naked and vulnerable without it.
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> don't have to do anything that I don't personally and totally want to do.  It's
> a freedom that I am not totally enjoying.  I am responsible only to myself.

My father died in 1991 after he and my mother had been married for 62 years.
She is still alive at age 94. He mother lived as a widow for ten years and
her paternal grandmother lived as a widow for 35 + years. My mother still
wears her engagement and wedding rings. She is still married. She is not a
single woman, although at this time she is alone, so to speak. It is jus
that my father has gone on ahead to where she cannot yet go. It is not that
much unlike when I was sent overseas for military duty and my wife could not
accompany me at the time.

So wear your ring as long as you wish. If you no longer wish to wear it for
whatever reason, then take it off. That would be my counsel, if it were
asked.

Gene
Alayne - 09 Apr 2004 10:03 GMT
> Hello Everyone,
> I'm here for you too.  I also have a very depressed dog.  I started taking him
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> a freedom that I am not totally enjoying.  I am responsible only to myself.
> Love,   Linda

Isn't it strange how we all go through the same thing, but it never gets
mentioned!

I also had a dilemma over my wedding and engagement rings, to wear or not to
wear that was the question.  It doesn't seem "right" on but it doesnt seem
"right" off either.  Eventually, and after some time passed, I compromised
with myself and placed my engagement ring in the box with Tony's wedding
ring and moved my wedding ring to the same finger on my right hand.  To me
that signified that I am no longer married to the rest of the world but to
myself I am and always will be!!  I also wore a silver locket that Tony
bought me for our first christmas together and wore it every single day (for
nearly twenty years) with our photo.s inside, so how come a week after he
died the chain broke!!  I thought about buying a new one - but that doesn't
feel right either.

At the end of the day I think that we should do whatever feels right for us.

Another question (grin!) are we still a Mrs?? (I certainly am although it
sure confuses the tradesmen!)

Hugs All Sisters!!

Alayne
Jill - 09 Apr 2004 15:02 GMT
> > Hello Everyone,
> > I'm here for you too.  I also have a very depressed dog.  I started taking
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>
> Alayne

Alayne,
You do what you feel it right and do it how you want.
Hugs Sister
Jill
bj - 09 Apr 2004 22:04 GMT
>  moved my wedding ring to the same finger on my right hand.  To me
> that signified that I am no longer married to the rest of the world but to
> myself I am and always will be!!

In a number of countries they wear the ring on the right hand.

I figure a widow should do about her rings whatever she feels most
comfortable with. If she's widowed at 18 and wants to wear her ring until
she's 102, that's her choice.

I also get annoyed at those who say you aren't Mrs. John Jones after Mr. J
passes away. It's not only insensitive, it isn't socially/conventionally
correct.
bj
 
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