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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Cancer / March 2004Interesting site
http://www.canceraction.org.gg/index2.htm > http://www.canceraction.org.gg/index2.htm Martin Howard went to the Bristol Cancer Centre. http://tinyurl.com/22gsq His posts were always full of "feel great", and how well he was doing on his walks. He was fooling himself (and perhaps some gullible readers) into believing that he was "battling his cancer".... He died Dec 21/03 J > > http://www.canceraction.org.gg/index2.htm > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > He died Dec 21/03 > J Dear J Are you trying to say that everyone who decides to use alternative medicine will die and those who choose chemo/surgery/radiation will not? Surely the many, many posters in alt.support.cancer of those who have lost their loved ones after or during the conventional treatments would say otherwise. When will you understand that it is not for outsiders to decide what course of treatment a cancer patient will try. Maybe you would see things differently if you had some real experience and you could talk from a place of knowledge. Freedom of choice!!! Marc > > > http://www.canceraction.org.gg/index2.htm > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Are you trying to say that everyone who decides to use alternative medicine > will die and those who choose chemo/surgery/radiation will not? No, I am not. > <snip> > When will you understand that it is not for outsiders to decide what course > of treatment a cancer patient will try. Absolutely, people can choose what they wish for themselves. Where they cross the line here is claiming Iby neans of their posts) that altie "treats" or "cures" cancers. J > Absolutely, people can choose what they wish for themselves. > Where they cross the line here is claiming Iby neans of their posts) that altie > "treats" or "cures" cancers. > J Hello J I fail to understand how by choosing to use a non-mainstream therapy it becomes improper to let others know about how things progress. I have never mentioned anything about a cure, I have only claimed that Jane is improving and she has lived for nearly six-months from being told she had only three-weeks more to live. Actually, her first symptoms appeared over ten-months ago and the GP misdiagnosed the condition as carpel tunnel syndrome. Who says that others should not have the benefit of others' experiences - both with traditional and alternative modes of therapy? What qualifications or practical experiences do you possess that gives you the ability to proclaim what is effective when many qualified MDs and PhDs would be more circumspect in their assessment, if they are truly scientific, i.e. an open mind? Please let us know what you think, J. marc > Actually, her first symptoms appeared over > ten-months ago and the GP misdiagnosed the condition as carpel tunnel > syndrome. That's unfortunate because perhaps then it could have been operable. J > Please let us know what you think, J. http://brighamrad.harvard.edu/Cases/bwh/hcache/14/full.html Mean survival length after diagnosis is eight to ten months with less than 10% survival after two years. MRI is particularly useful in evaluating tumor extension and subacute and chronic hemorrhage collections. Enhanced MRI also helps to distinguish the tumor nidus from the surrounding edema." (note the word "helps") Frankly marc, I think you're in denial and/or hurried up to do things that may (coindentally) have decreased the edema for the followup MRI. J > > > http://www.canceraction.org.gg/index2.htm > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Marc Dear Marc, I chose a whole year of chemotherapy. Today I am very healthy! > > > > http://www.canceraction.org.gg/index2.htm > > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > I chose a whole year of chemotherapy. > Today I am very healthy! Hi P Your choice, and I am happy it has worked for you. May you have many more cancer free days and years. Marc > Dear J > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Marc People with curable cancers will be cured with conventional medical treatments. They will not be cured with unproven 'alternative' medicine. Spontaneous cures and remissions will happen whether any or no medication of any kind is used but the rate of spontaneous remission and cure is bordering on the miraculous ( and is not enhanced, to my knowledge, by prayer) > > Dear J > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > bordering on the miraculous ( and is not enhanced, to my knowledge, by > prayer) Dear Mike I am curious as to where your knowledge is coming from. Is this some sort of omniscient vision you have? How are you certain that 'conventional medicine' is always THE treatment for every 'curable' cancer? Why will 'conventional' treatments fail to cure every patient suffering from a well understood cancer type and only work on a percentage? Spontaneous remission is reminiscent of what used to be termed spontaneous generation, i.e. not understood. You mention that 'unproven' alternative medicine will not cure cancer. Unproven does not necessarily translate into ineffective, just as when the practice of washing the hands between patients was seen as an 'unproven' method for preventing cross-infections, but did this mean that it was not effective? You see, my friend, simply because something is not understood does not make it invalid. Have fun, it could change your life! Marc > > > Dear J > > > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > You see, my friend, simply because something is not understood does not make > it invalid. True, and as soon as it is understood, it stops being unconventional, and becomes conventional. But there has to be some rational basis, not just irrational hope. > Have fun, it could change your life! > > Marc marc said: > Spontaneous remission is reminiscent of what used to be termed spontaneous > generation, i.e. not understood. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You see, my friend, simply because something is not understood does not make > it invalid. Steph typed: > True, and as soon as it is understood, it stops being unconventional, and > becomes conventional. > But there has to be some rational basis, not just irrational hope. marc replies: Thank you, Steph. I am gladdened to understand that you are, at heart, a scientist. I am also happy that we may agree in logic. We share the dream that oneday we will have a kinder and more effective way of treating metabolic diseases, such as cancer. Marc > marc said: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Marc It's not a metabolic disease, Marc. It's a disease of DNA damage > It's not a metabolic disease, Marc. > It's a disease of DNA damage Steph, What do you mean in layman's (and ladies) terms by DNA damage? And what are the chances if it is connected with DNA, of being inherited to off-spring? My daughters being the obvious reasons for asking!?? Thanks Alayne > > It's not a metabolic disease, Marc. > > It's a disease of DNA damage [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Alayne I"ve never seen Glioblastoma mentioned as hereditary. http://www.diseasedir.org.uk/cancer/what_is.htm http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_4_1x_What_Is_Cancer_72.asp?sitearea= J > > It's not a metabolic disease, Marc. > > It's a disease of DNA damage [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Alayne Some cancers are inherited, but most are caused by DNA damage during our lifetime, in one cell, so not inheritable. What causes the DNA damage? Many things: carcinogens in cigarette smoke, food, water, cosmic rays, viruses, etc, etc > Some cancers are inherited, but most are caused by DNA damage during our > lifetime, in one cell, so not inheritable. What causes the DNA damage? Many > things: carcinogens in cigarette smoke, food, water, cosmic rays, viruses, > etc, etc What about physical damage to the area? Is there any correlation? Coral's late husband Brian (used to post here) banged his head quite seriously falling off a bicycle and Tony had a couple of serious impacts with car drivers. Just musing? Alayne > > Some cancers are inherited, but most are caused by DNA damage during our > > lifetime, in one cell, so not inheritable. What causes the DNA damage? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Alayne No, cancers aren't caused by injuries > Dear Mike > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Marc If I bet on a horse to win a race you can be sure it will be one with four legs as these are the ones proven to win horse races even though many of them also lose. What I will not bet on is a three legged horse because a) I don't know of any that have been tested in a horse race and b) I don't want to waste my money and time , no matter how much the trainer tries to tell me 'this is the one' Just as no bookie would even give me odds on such a horse no oncologist is going to try 'alternative' medicine when he gets cancer....and about a third of them are going to,just like you and me! MIKE Sorry, Mike, I have never seen a three-legged horse, although I would be pleased if you would answer some of the questions I have raised - I am truly curious. Marc |
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