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J - 16 Jan 2004 08:29 GMT
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_118.html
su-texas@webtv.net - 16 Jan 2004 16:09 GMT
Hi J,

Interesting article, but I acquired burps from chemotherapy, not
hiccups.

Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions
J - 18 Jan 2004 19:44 GMT
> Interesting article, but I acquired burps from chemotherapy, not
> hiccups. (adding from previous post)
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> it doesnt seem to have to do with digestion.

It's stil gas (gastroenterology) and there's medications for gas.

Another line of thinking
http://www.wehealnewyork.org/directory/combsite/ubc.html
Stage 3 - The tumor is larger than 5 centimeters with axillary lymph nodes
positive for cancer. It may extend into the pectoral muscle.

Another: a different class of aromatase inhibitor - the steroidal type
which might help with your pain ..
(I haven't looked up the side effects of formestane and exemestane (yet)
http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/cache/-1691025345.htm
non-steroidal:
anastozole (Arimidex)
letrozole (Femara)
vorozole (Rivizor)
are potent aromatase inhibitors which may be used in advanced breast cancer

steroidal:
formestane (Lentaron)
exemestane
may be used in advanced breast cancer

However, I do not know if they are only given to patients in
end-stage/if/because they can cause thinning of the bones?
Perhpas Tim has a comment?
J
su-texas@webtv.net - 18 Jan 2004 22:49 GMT
Hi J,

The burps feel more like muscle reflexes that are being repeatedly
triggered, rather than gas.  
They get so constant & violent sometimes, that I'll start throwing up.
They started during chemotherapy, & no OTC meds have helped at all.  

For some reason(?), they're the worst when I'm driving.  They're
embarrassing & quite exhausting.  They ain't fun.

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Bad Meds: The Bogus Drugs

For me, pain relief is Not a goal, ... since most of those meds, which
are billed & sold as relieving pain, ... don't.  

These very-expensive meds can cause ongoing sickness & ill health,
tiredness & weakness, loss of ability to think & function, loss of any
quality of life, etc., ... as well as cause other health problems & even
death.

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Bad Docs: The Destroyers

Years ago, when I was healthy & seeking abuse counselling only, ... the
worst doctors were doing anything & everything possible to con, betray,
& rob their patients up-front, ... to overly-push the bad
palliative-type drugs & medical-care only, ... & to cause as much harm
[pain, suffering, & loss] as possible with these bad treatments.  To
destroy health.  To force early death.

For many years, the bad docs ruined my health & life with these meds ...
(which they insisted I buy & try first, in order to qualify for future
abuse counselling).  So I know a great deal about these bad, won't-work
& extremely-destructive drugs (like antidepressants) from experience.

The docs who did & do this, should go to prison for it, ... for the harm
they choose to do, for their determinedly-dumbness &
arrogance/pride/gloating, their greed & cruelty, ... for their abuse of
our power & trust.

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Medical Murder: Docs' Money Pits/Traps

Physically, I was very healthy, & mentally & emotionally, I was very
strong, ... so I was able to somehow survive all the docs' & psychs'
attempts to destroy my health & life with bad drugs & robbery, ...
during the years I was seeking abuse counselling, & not finding it.  

I don't believe that most people could have survived the docs' bad games
& drugs, ... at least that's what the abuse counselors have told me.

So, it's important that I ("a veteran") survive, ... partly in order to
warn others of the dangers from those money pits/traps, which the worst
docs' will keep setting & trying to personally-profit from.

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The Need To Survive & Seek Justice

I will ask about the steroidal estrogen-blockers, but only if they'll
improve my health & chances for survival, ... Not as palliative care or
pain relief.

I have a duty to stay & fight, to do my best to survive, ... & to warn
others of the dangers of "modern medical care", & of the failed govt
systems.  With this info, more people can hopefully be more savvy &
smart, & will survive better & longer.

Information is power.

-----------

My main focus right now, is to get into much better health, ... partly
so I can learn the legal stuff, go to court, ... get some much-needed
justice (docs sent to prison), & some significant financial help.

And partly, so I can better care for my puppies, who are about a year
old now.  

Even though it's raining & cold today, I'm sick & weak from recent
bronchitis/ear-inflammations/pinched-wrist-tendon/etc, I've been burping
more than usual & am exhausted from it, & my injuries are Really
hurting, ... I've got to finish taking care of the pups & their needs
today, no matter what, ... which includes putting a new collar on Annie,
& moving her from a cage, back to her chain, area & dog-house.  She's
been ill, but is now mostly healed, ... & with the cold weather (freeze)
coming tonight or tomorrow night, she'll be better off in her house.
I'll also need to place fresh hay in her house, for warmth.  However,
I'm waiting for a let-up in the rain first.  (sigh)

Once I get some significant financial help in court, this (& other
chores) will be much easier.

-----------

I'm very angry at the dozens of doctors, whose many crimes & meanness
have now forced me, into such a bad & life-threatening living situation
as this, ... by their repeatedly conning, harming & robbing me, treating
me as a joke, & refusing me legitimate medical care & referrals over the
years.  

These docs should be financially-gutted in court & then sent to prison,
for the harm they choose to do, for the lives they destroy.  There must
be justice.  There must be.

Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

PS  The Need To Know

I'm working to exhaustion over & over, trying to learn about diet &
stuff, in order to have a better chance of fighting this cancer, ...
since the doctors keep acting brain-dead, ignorant & indifferent, &
refuse to help.  This has proved quite a betrayal!  And it definitely
hurts.

Hopefully, I'll learn enough to help myself, will regain some health &
prolong my life, will get to legally fight & change things for the
better.  

But if I don't, then others can learn from what I've done & tried, ... &
they'll fight smarter & survive.

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The Good

It's important to work hard & try, & to send our best into the future,
.. into a future we cannot live to see.  

This effort & information is a gift & blessing to others, a warm hug &
nurturing, a push UP, ... in a world that's too often set & rigged only
to plunder, tear-down & apart, & destroy.

Where there are assets, there will always be thieves.  About nine-tenths
of life seems to be about confronting the bullies & thieves (their
verbal attacks & bad games), & making them back off & down.  And about
making allies, forming alliances & bonds, for some protection & support
in times of crisis.

Once this is realized, & the necessary life & coping skills learned, ...
then life becomes easier & better, ... more productive, worthwhile, &
enjoyable.  

I wish I'd learned this sooner.

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Some Down Time

For right now, I'm down & out physically, am stressed & distressed from
the lack of medical care & treatments for cancer, ... am taking a lot of
verbal & emotional abuse & threats from birth-family members, in order
to have a place to bathe, & get to sleep on the couch in a semi-warm
place, ... am struggling very hard to get some basic chores done at home
each day & survive, ... & am still trying to read & learn, whenever I
can prop myself up to do so.

I remember to have hope & keep trying, no matter what.  No matter what.

The cold & damp cause my injuries to super-hurt.  And I'm injured all
over my body, esp. the neck & throat, shoulders & upper back, head, face
& jaws, the entire spine, right hip, legs & knees, ...

Tough times.
Marilyn - 19 Jan 2004 14:16 GMT
>Hi J,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>For some reason(?), they're the worst when I'm driving.  They're
>embarrassing & quite exhausting.  They ain't fun.

My friend Ted the Bartender taught me to put a splash of bitters in a half
cup of club soda (or water works just as well for me) and that almost
always works on hiccups.  I know what you are having isn't exactly hiccups
but it might be worth a try.  

Marilyn
J - 21 Jan 2004 21:19 GMT
> The burps feel more like muscle reflexes that are being repeatedly
> triggered, rather than gas.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> For some reason(?), they're the worst when I'm driving.  They're
> embarrassing & quite exhausting.  They ain't fun.

The muscle theory makes sense since when driving and turning the wheel, you
are using your arm and chest and probably abdominal/chest muscles in the
process.

Yes, well, I was getting those too and/or swallowing and/or gag reflex would
start up sitting in the car or just bending over certain ways. That was 5
years ago, after a number of nasty things happened to me.

And my theory is that it's muscles pressing on nerves which run down the
centre of the body and triggering these responses. That being said, it's
much better now that I've been on Pantoloc (a proton pump medication)
which is taken twice a day before meals and really has few side effects at
all (for me).  In fact, Losec (Prilosec) is probably available OTC and might
be worth a try.. (unless you already have).

Then there'd be mild muscle relaxant/sedative. You know Sue, I have had
severe reactions to meds for years.
But the only solution is to keep trying. We (and doctors) never know which
ones will work for each person.
Sometimes they just prescribe what they prescribe for others and there's
other meds that might be better to try.

Also I was wondering when persons get chemo via injection or a port, if they
add anti-side effect medicine to it, without telling a patient..(just
curious if you know).

J
su-texas@webtv.net - 24 Jan 2004 22:32 GMT
You know Sue, I have had severe reactions to meds for years.
But the only solution is to keep trying. We (and doctors) never know
which ones will work for each person.
Sometimes they just prescribe what they prescribe for others and there's
other meds that might be better to try.

========

Here A Drug, There A Drug, Everywhere A Drug Drug (non-working or
harmful drugs)

PHARMA-McDenials owns the "farm" (medical system), E-Ouch, E-Ouch,
Ohhhhh

The Past:  Yes, the docs told me this too (buy & try drugs, many more
drugs), & they kept me sick & weak from side effects, & financially
broke & in debt for many years.   I was required to buy & try one drug
after another (many dozens of psych drugs & others), ... only in order
to qualify for referral to abuse counselling in the future (which proved
a lie).  ???

This was while I was desperately trying to survive the birth-family
abuse, ... & while I kept requesting & seeking abuse counselling &
support only.  [They (the docs & psychs)were playing bad games (such as
bait & switch), ... for which I hope to one day sue them in court, to
legally stomp & financially gut them, & to have them imprisoned.]  

These are Very serious crimes & meanness, which the worst doctors &
psychs are doing.  Very destructive!  

[Why can't people address these things, these crimes & the harm done, &
feel outraged & angry about them, ... instead of advocating we buy & try
even more drugs, when so many haven't worked already, when they're a
rip-off?]

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Alternatives To Drugs

I'd rather work to learn about nutrition, supplements, exercise,
checking out allergies & such, ... rather than waste any more time &
money with trying random drugs for this & that, such as for burping.  

-----------

Bad Drugs On Top Of Bad Drugs

In the past, the drugs usually caused a lot of additional health
problems, while Not helping the original problem at all.  Then, one drug
after another is added, to deal with the problems which the first drugs
are causing, ... while there's no help whatsoever for the original
problem, ... & while the docs keep demanding total trust & blind faith
in their nonsense, in their totally destructive & harmful BS.  ???  This
never made any sense, & still doesn't.

Whenever I'd ask a question or offer a suggestion, the docs would reject
it & act offended.  The Outrage Game.  Yet, their ideas were the worst,
weren't working, & were causing harm over & over.  ???

I had severe adverse reactions to many drugs (to most drugs), ... but
since I had good insurance, the docs kept making me buy & try new drugs,
over & over, ... which kept my health bad, destroyed my quality of life,
left me more vulnerable to the abuse (to crimes & dangers), & kept me in
financial debt for many years.  When I got a small inheritance from an
uncle, the docs took that too.  The docs proved a bottomless pit of
greed, of bad drugs & harm only.

Since I was in severe abuse, I had to get help no matter what, so I kept
trying.

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The Need For Justice

Usually, there was no way possible to get any good health care or
information here, ... because the docs were so busy overly-pushing the
bad drugs (like antidepressants, tranquilizers, high blood pressure
meds, muscle relaxers, pain killers, stomach medicine, etc.), ...
INSTEAD of their dealing with any real health issues or with the abuse.  

The docs treated the abuse & me as a joke & laughable.  And neither they
(nor the PHARMA companies) refunded any of my money, much less
apologized, ... for their gross incompetence, negligence & neglect, &
for their repeatedly doing so much harm.  [We should at least be able to
get our money back from them, ... as well as sue them for the wasted
years & harm done.]  

It does matter that we get some much-needed justice, & that criminals
pay for their crimes.

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The Problems With PHARMA

The Present:  So far, the Arimidex company (Astra-) hasn't contacted me
or my oncologist.  

They don't seem interested in doing the tests necessary, to see why
their drugs harm some people (such as myself) so badly.  Therefore, they
deserve to get sued (& often), ... for the harm that they're knowingly
doing, to some women with ER+ breast cancer, ... & for the permanent
health problems & damage (such as acute lymphedema) which they knowingly
cause.

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Determinedly-Dumbed-Down Docs

I don't think most docs are being trained to do much.  Skill-wise, most
docs seem woefully inadequate & act unable to deal with it, unable to do
the jobs they're hired for.  It's proved very frightening & frustrating.

Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

PS   Trying Tamoxifen

As far as trying new drugs goes, I got Tamoxifen yesterday.  Unlike the
drugs for burping & such, this one's for cancer.

It's very emotional to try a new drug, & to have it work or fail.  The
negative side effects can cause illness & weakness, & threaten one's
survival, which is serious.

For me, trying Tamoxifen involves serious risk, ... esp. since I've
already had two strokes from the injuries & ongoing lack of medical care
for them.  

This is dangerous.

After I get good cancer care, I've got to get care for the many injuries
which keep getting worse.

I must survive, partly in order to care for the puppies, & to train
them, ... to see that they go to good homes.

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Good & Bad

My oncologist is good & bad, when many docs here are only bad.  

While I'm grateful for the help he's given me, I'm also very hurt by the
harm he's done:  the referral to the butcher surgeon from hell, for the
port-a-cath, & then his abandonment of me afterwards, ... the Arimidex
for a year & a half, which was obviously severely sickening & killing
me, & causing significant (& some lasting) health problems & damage.

It's tough to trust any doctor now.

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Always There To Remind Me

While he didn't refer me to the surgeon in Houston, ... the butchered
breast (part of which is bunched-up under my right arm & uncomfortable,
.. & the rest of the breast, which causes odd mounds under my t-shirts
& gets infected in the skin folds), ...

.. are always there to remind me, of the sleazy & sadistic nature of so
many doctors & surgeons here, ... of the joy they take in doing wrong,
in doing evil things, ... of their clannish-like need to protect &
enable each other (irregardless), ... & of their pride, arrogance &
boastfulness, in doing this.  ???

It hurts!

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So Many Betrayals

This is Not the way things were supposed to be.  It's Not what we're
told & shown by the media, on TV or in movies.  

The medical, legal & govt systems in Texas, have failed.  They've failed
us.
 
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