>A quick look around Google finds several
> mentions of the fact that Tamoxifen has
> anti-fungal properties, and some theories that
> this is linked to some of its anti-cancer
> properties beyond its effect on estrogen.
Tim Jackson
My apologies to Su-Texas! Thank you, as usual, Tim for the education.
I was reading stuff on Tamoxifen today but did not recall seeing
anything about the anti-fungal properties. However, I take your word
(and Su's) that it is so. This site is such a great learning experience
for me and I thank all of you for enlightening me on this bc subject.
(Now if you will just enlighten me on how to take my Tamoxifen......I
will really be a happy camper.<g) Many thanks!
Bea
If some breast cancers are caused by fungus (mycoplasma, such as
Brucella), ... then it would seem that just blocking the estrogen with
meds, would be a partial approach to treating it, ... & that there
should be more.
???
Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
PS Maybe Tamoxifen is the better choice for now, since it might do
both?
Tim Jackson - 12 Jan 2004 00:23 GMT
> If some breast cancers are caused by fungus (mycoplasma, such as
> Brucella), ... then it would seem that just blocking the estrogen with
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> PS Maybe Tamoxifen is the better choice for now, since it might do
> both?
Maybe it is, but I don't think that is the reason.
There is a difference between what causes cancer (eg carcinogens) and what
promotes the growth of tumours (eg hormones). Whatever the cause, we know
that most cancers achieve rapid growth by multiplying the number of
receptors for various factors, in the case of breast notably Estrogen (ER)
and Human Epidermal growth factor (HER)
Once you've got a cancer, taking away the cause (or causes) has no effect on
the existing cancers, it just stops more cancers starting. You have to
actively kill off the cells (chemotherapy, radiotherapy), or at least stop
them dividing (hormone therapy).
Of course hormone therapy is rarely a complete approach to destroying
cancer, it won't reverse well established aggressive tumours, but it can be
very effective in making individual cancer cells and small clusters of cells
go dormant for a long long time, long enough for the immune system to pick
them off. And in this way it reduces the number of recurrences perhaps by
half.
It seems more likely that the anti-fungal action would be more relevant to
protecting against the formation of new cancers. We know that breast cancer
survivors are at a relatively high risk of getting another independent
primary cancer. We know Tamoxifen does reduce that risk quite a lot, and it
may not be all due to cancers which form but do grow. There is no obvious
reason why estrogen deprivation alone should stop the formation of cancers.
Tim
bartalo@webtv.net - 12 Jan 2004 00:32 GMT
>PS Maybe Tamoxifen is the better choice for
> now, since it might do both?
Su-Texas
Whew! Thank you for adding that Su. I sure don't need to be telling my
onc I refuse to try Tamoxifen. So now I can take it with peace of
mine, right!
Bea
su-texas@webtv.net - 12 Jan 2004 01:11 GMT
Bea wrote:
Whew! Thank you for adding that Su. I sure don't need to be telling my
onc I refuse to try Tamoxifen. So now I can take it with peace of
mine, right!
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Hi Bea,
I'm stumbling in the dark too, & scared. I'm trying to read & learn, to
come up with ideas & theories, ... & to get Tim & the others reactions
to them, which I really do appreciate.
Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
PS I think it would embarrass Tim all to pieces, if we were to give him
hugs, ... so I keep a stiff upper lip, & mumble Thanks from time to
time. :)
Tim Jackson - 12 Jan 2004 08:34 GMT
> PS I think it would embarrass Tim all to pieces, if we were to give him
> hugs, ... so I keep a stiff upper lip, & mumble Thanks from time to
> time. :)
Uh, I think that was a compliment.
Thanks
((Susan))
Tim