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Coffee enemas during chemo

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JntHolland - 03 Jan 2004 13:35 GMT
Hello,

Does anyone know if it's ok to do coffee enemas during chemo (taxotere)?  

Many thanks in advance.

Love and best wishes......and a happy new year!
Janet.
xx
Kaye301 - 03 Jan 2004 16:56 GMT
jntholland wrote<< Does anyone know if it's ok to do coffee enemas during chemo
(taxotere)?  >>

I don't know for sure but, if one is not supposed to have dental work done
during chemo, I would think one shouldn't have any type of enema either,
especially one that isn't sterile.  The propensity for infection is great, and
if the substance is not sterilized, there may be some contamination which would
further  put you at risk of infection.  If you are having difficulty with
constipation, you might try Metamucil.  Another aid that is sold in health food
stores for this problem is something called, I think, "Swiss Kriss."
bell-lady - 04 Jan 2004 02:14 GMT
White grape juice in quantity works too!
Ann in PA
JntHolland - 04 Jan 2004 13:59 GMT
Thanks very much Ann and Kaye for your help.

I don't suffer from constipation at all.  It's one of the strategies that I
want to employ along with my juices, organic vegan diet, supplements and
ezymes.  I am continuing to juice and take the supplements during chemo, but
not sure about the enemas and enzymes.  I haven't found enough evidence or
research for or against.  I have found some research indicating a synergistic
effect between the enzymes and chemo, but nothing to the contrary.  

Thankyou so much for your help.  I'll let you know if I find anything more.

Love and best wishes,
Janet.
xx
J - 05 Jan 2004 14:42 GMT
> I don't suffer from constipation at all.  It's one of the strategies that I
> want to employ along with my juices, organic vegan diet, supplements and
> ezymes.  I am continuing to juice and take the supplements during chemo, but
> not sure about the enemas and enzymes.  I haven't found enough evidence or
> research for or against.  I have found some research indicating a synergistic
> effect between the enzymes and chemo, but nothing to the contrary.

Some juices interfere with medications
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/english/iyh/food/grapefruit.html
Consuming grapefruit or its juice (fresh or frozen) can increase, or less
commonly decrease, the effects of some drugs. There are several substances in
grapefruit that interfere with the way your body handles certain drugs.

These effects are known to be caused by the combination of grapefruit and its
juice with certain drugs and health products used in the treatment of medical
conditions, including, but not limited to:

Angina
Anxiety
Cancer
Convulsions
Depression
Erectile dysfunction
Gastrointestinal reflux
High blood pressure
High lipid (cholesterol) levels
HIV/AIDS
Infections
Irregular heart rhythms
Organ graft rejections
Psychotic problems
Sour oranges, such as Seville, or their juice, may have an effect similar to
grapefruit juice. Most other citrus fruits, such as lemons, limes, citrons,
naturally sweet oranges and tangerines are not thought to have this effect.
However, tangellos, a hybrid of grapefruit, may also interfere with drugs

Note: estrogen
http://www.dartmouth.edu/dms/news/publications/dartmed/fall00/html/bench_to_beds
ide.shtml


Interactions: In the late 1990s, researchers began to discover that grapefruit
juice altered the effectiveness of other drugs, too. Ingesting as little as 200
to 250 ml (about a cup) of grapefruit juice--or just two grapefruit
segments--before taking certain oral medications could increase the systemic
blood concentrations of those drugs from 30% to 900%. So far, the medications
known to interact with grapefruit juice include immunosuppressant drugs (such as
cyclosporine); calcium channel blockers (felodipine, amlodipine, verapamil,
nifedipine, nisoldipine), which are used to treat blood pressure or angina; many
sedatives and anxiolytics (midazolam, triazolam, alprazolam); certain hormones
(estrogens and corticosteroids); antihistamines (astemizole and terfenadine, the
latter now unavailable in the United States); certain antiseizure drugs
(carbamazepine); many of the statin drugs (atorvastatin, simvastatin,
lovastatin), which are used to lower blood lipids; and certain drugs used to
treat AIDS (the protease inhibitors ritonavir, saquinivir, and indinavir). Other
drugs are continually being added to this list.

And coffee enemas
http://swiftweb.com/ha/enema.html
Dr. Max Gerson used this clinically as part of a general detoxification regimen,
first for tuberculosis, then cancer. Caffeine, he postulated, will travel up the
hemorrhoidal to the portal vein and thence to the liver itself. Gerson noted some
remarkable effects of this procedure. For instance, patients could dispense with
all pain-killers once on the enemas. Many people have noted the paradoxical
calming effect of coffee enemas. And while coffee enemas can relieve
constipation, Gerson cautioned:

"Patients have to know that the coffee enemas are not given for the function of
the intestines but for the stimulation of the liver."

You'll have to read the rest of these web pages and see what else they say about
such.
It's too complicated (for me, other than the known juices to avoid)
J
JntHolland - 06 Jan 2004 09:49 GMT
J thankyou very much indeed for all the very useful information in your post.
I am very grateful indeed.  

I had heard about grapefruit and haven't taken any for that reason.  However, I
wasn't aware that sour oranges could interfere.  During my neo-adjuvant chemo 3
years ago I was juicing at least a dozen oranges a day, along with other things
including lemons.  I had a complete response to chemo after the 4th cycle and
all my nodes were reverted to clean.

However, I continued to juice and eat many oranges afterwards whilst taking
tamoxifen.  For the most part the organic oranges I have been eating/juicing
have been sour.  I will stick to the lemons I think.

Many thanks,
Janet.
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allan grossman - 05 Jan 2004 12:58 GMT
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know if it's ok to do coffee enemas during chemo (taxotere)?  

As long as one doesn't burn oneself it's probably okay  ;-)

I'm sorry, Janet - I couldn't resist.

I can't think of anything wrong with it, but you might ask a real
doctor.

BTW - did you know there there's at least one company selling coffee
specifically for enemas?  I guess "Wilson's Therapy Coffee" is the
preparation of choice at the Gerson institute but I sure don't know
why one would prefer one brand over another - especially considering
taste doesn't enter into things at all  :)

Anyway, check out http://www.sawilsons.com for official enema coffee
if you're interested.

cheers,

allan
JntHolland - 06 Jan 2004 09:49 GMT
Allan,

Thankyou........for making me laugh also :)  You have a great sense of humour!

Many thanks,
Janet.
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