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Question regarding ductal papillomas and surgery

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Cecil E. Chapman - 03 Dec 2003 01:38 GMT
First of all, I hope it's okay to pose a question to all of you, even though
I'm a guy (i.e., I don't know if this newsgroup is intended to be gender
specific).

After experiencing some bleeding from my left nipple it was determined that
the 'culprit' was a ductal papilloma.  So, the surgeon has told me not to
worry, it isn't cancerous, per se.  The specialist I was referred to by my
GP, seems to lean toward doing the duct excision under general NOT local
anesthesia.  Most of what I have read (including the Merc manual) and what
my GP (who is also a surgeon) told me,,, the norm for duct excision or even
lumpectomies is to use local.

So, I guess what I am asking, is does it seem to be overkill to have a
patient have general anesthesia for a procedure that is usually done via
local?

Thank you all for your time!

Cecil
Tim Jackson - 03 Dec 2003 10:23 GMT
> First of all, I hope it's okay to pose a question to all of you, even though
> I'm a guy (i.e., I don't know if this newsgroup is intended to be gender
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>
> Cecil

Welcome to the group.  No it is not gender specific at all, although it does
tend to provide a pleasantly testosterone-free zone of Usenet.  The group
caters to all who's lives are affected by breast cancer, patients (of either
sex) carers, relatives, or just plain worried.

I would ask the surgeon why he wants to use a general.  He must have his
reasons.  There are more risks and costs associated with general
anaesthesia, so it is not something one would do for fun.

Then again, when I had to have a minor operation on a hand, I got a general
after two attempts to administer a local nerve block failed.  The
anaesthetist had the general prepared as a backup and just cheerfully said
"Oh well, you're going to have to sleep" and injected it.  "Goodnight".

Tim Jackson
(who is quite gender specific)
Cecil E. Chapman - 03 Dec 2003 11:54 GMT
Thank you very much Tim!  As a private pilot, I actually frequent the
aviation newsgroups and know that sometimes newsgroups have specific
rules/restrictions (of course the aviation groups are open to anyone), so
that's why I thought I'd let everyone know, if there was some reason the
goal of the newsgroup was to be gender specific that I'd certainly respect
that (and if it was,,,, I simply posted because I didn't know).

> I would ask the surgeon why he wants to use a general.  He must have his
> reasons.  There are more risks and costs associated with general
> anesthesia, so it is not something one would do for fun.

He had told me that the nipple (hard for me to say, 'cause before I began
this whole 'adventure' I never thought of myself as having 'breasts' <grin>)
has lots of nerve endings and that being awake during a surgery can be
traumatic,,, blah, blah, blah.  It was one of those conversations where one
felt that doing the procedure under local made HIM uncomfortable - at that
point I found myself thinking that there isn't much sense in having a
surgeon do something that appears to be outside their comfort range - that
maybe I should just cancel the pending surgery and get a second opinion.
While he said he could be willing to 'try' and do it with just the local, it
was clear that his heart wouldn't be in it, so to speak.  His explanation
didn't make sense regarding the potential for pain, since if a physician
applies the local anesthesia correctly, there should only be at the very
most, minor discomfort.  I was thinking too that even women who are
undergoing a C-section (REAL major surgery - much more than my duct
excision) get a regional anesthesia.

I'm kind of leaning towards taking up my GP on his offer to refer me to
another specialist who can provide me with a second opinion AND one who
isn't averse to using local anesthesia.  I'm not a 'big fan' of pain, but
I've certainly dealt with some in my life (including having to set my own
arm that had been twisted-broken into a backwards position immediately after
a hangglider accident I had when I was in my late teens/early 20's ((age
(almost 43) has brought with it wisdom, which is why I now only fly
airplanes))).  So, I certainly think I can hold up to the discomfort of the
duct excision under local.

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Thanks again !!!

Good Flights!

Cecil Chapman

"We who fly do so for the love of flying.
We are alive in the air with this miracle
that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"

- Cecil Day Lewis-

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marvin - 04 Dec 2003 01:15 GMT
> First of all, I hope it's okay to pose a question to all of you, even though
> I'm a guy (i.e., I don't know if this newsgroup is intended to be gender
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>
> Cecil

cecil - heh.
 
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