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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Breast Cancer / October 2008grapefruit juice
I drink it every day, have for years, for the lycopene (antioxidant!) and Vit C, and now comes this study saying it can "cause" BC and that if you've already had BC (E+) and are taking AI, you shouldn't go near a grapefruit. so ironic, here I thought I was saving myself. same with soy, which I ate every day for years. and now this. it's really too funny. my brother the scientist says pish tosh, it's not conclusive evidence, have the juice and live it up. I'll ask my oncologist next month. but who the hell knows any more...now they're saying drink pomegranate juice and eat blueberries and take resveratrol (which I do) and Vitamin C; before that it was grapefruit juice and....oh heck, I can't remember. > I drink it every day, have for years, for the lycopene (antioxidant!) and > Vit C, and now comes this study saying it can "cause" BC and that if you've [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > take resveratrol (which I do) and Vitamin C; before that it was grapefruit > juice and....oh heck, I can't remember. I always feel suspicious of any new fad that tells us that concentrating any one particular foodstuff in our diet will improve our health. History says they don't last. It's relatively easy to show that particular foods are harmful in some way, a lot harder to show that something is beneficial in excess, especially where the claimed benefits are specific such as reducing cancer risk. It's easier to show that say, whether people who eat a lot of grapefruit live longer, but even that proves remarkably difficult to make stick - a diet of olive oil and red wine won't make a couch potato into a Mediterranean peasant, there are so many confounding lifestyle factors. Tim >> I drink it every day, have for years, for the lycopene (antioxidant!) and >> Vit C, and now comes this study saying it can "cause" BC and that if [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > diet of olive oil and red wine won't make a couch potato into a > Mediterranean peasant, there are so many confounding lifestyle factors. Indeed. My tenet is that I shouldn't eat or drink anything because it DOES me good but because I enjoy it and it makes me FEEL good. Mary I avoid grapefruit juice entirely because so many medications I have been given state one cannot drink it while on the medication. It interferes with the ability of the drug to work, it seems. I have never read or heard about it causing bc though. Could just be one of those food myths that tend to go around at times. Trice NO SPAM OR FORWARDS, PLEASE. > My tenet is that I shouldn't eat or drink anything because it DOES me good > but because I enjoy it and it makes me FEEL good. that's interesting; so food is not a nutrient and for life sustenance, food is...er...entertainment? recreation? Potato chips, I do enjoy; but man, I wouldn't live on an exclusive diet of potato chips. For the flavor, I'd eat cheap store-bought birthday cakes with those ghastly sugar roses and thick butter frosting. but....well, I guess the "feel" good part is the clincher there, because I don't "feel" good eating things I know are really bad for me. so maybe it's a matter of semantics. I definitely eat things because they supposedly do me good. Things I wouldn't otherwise imbibe. I take vitamins now too, and I don't enjoy them at all. > Mary >> My tenet is that I shouldn't eat or drink anything because it DOES me >> good but because I enjoy it and it makes me FEEL good. > > that's interesting; so food is not a nutrient and for life sustenance, > food is...er...entertainment? recreation? Both. It's to satisfy hunger (which makes one feel good) and provide nutrient but that doesn't mean that one can't enjoy it too. I don't eschew foods which aren't good for me (very good chocolates, dairy foods, wines) but nor would I eat anything just because it was promoted as being good for me. If I don't enjoy it I don't have it. Mind you, there's not much I don't enjoy, provided it's well made with the best ingredients. > Potato chips, I do enjoy; but man, I wouldn't live on an exclusive diet of > potato chips. I don't think I could eat a whole bag of those but I understand your point. I couldn't eat a whole box of the best chocolates at one go, much less live on it. > For the flavor, I'd eat cheap store-bought birthday cakes with those > ghastly sugar roses and thick butter frosting. LOL! I feel sick :-) > but....well, I guess the "feel" good part is the clincher there, because I > don't "feel" good eating things I know are really bad for me. so maybe > it's a matter of semantics. Yes. > I definitely eat things because they supposedly do me good. Things I > wouldn't otherwise imbibe. I take vitamins now too, and I don't enjoy them > at all. The only vitamins I take are part of the foods we eat, they abound in them! And there are so many wonderful foods which ARE good for us, even though they taste wonderful too :-) There are also blanket health instructions about foods which simply can't apply to everyone. For instance, I've been told by medics that I shouldn't drink the amount of tea I do. What they don't consider is that I don't drink traditional tea which looks like tar, our tea is so pale that it looks like water when it's poured. I reckon that our intake of whatever in tea is considered bad for us is almost nil. Perhaps we have one daily 'allowance' in a week but try explaining that to an enthusiastic adviser :-( By the way, we have a half grapefruit every Sunday morning, it's part of our ritual of special 'cooked breakfast' - which in our case is toast. The very best bread, marmalade, lemon curd, rose petal preserve all made by me with excellent ingredients (eggs and roses grown here) and various honeys made by my bees. We enjoy it, and the coffee which is a morning ritual every day, just once a day, the finest tasting coffee and unpasteurised cream. Bliss! the better the day, the better the deed. Good for us? No idea, we're still alive and kicking and have survived some big health issues. I doubt that they were caused solely by our diets but some things aren't worth giving up just to survive longer. Mary > There are also blanket health instructions about foods which simply can't > apply to everyone. For instance, I've been told by medics that I shouldn't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > considered bad for us is almost nil. Perhaps we have one daily 'allowance' > in a week but try explaining that to an enthusiastic adviser :-( The government keeps telling us to eat more fruit and veg. Well I do eat more, but I keep on seeing adverts telling us to eat more. They don't tell me when I should stop eating more, when I've got enough. Or whether that should be as well as chocolate or instead of chocolate. They also keep telling us to turn the central heating down by one degree to save fuel. How many times am I expected to turn it down one degree, and how many times can I before we freeze. Tim >> There are also blanket health instructions about foods which simply can't >> apply to everyone. For instance, I've been told by medics that I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The government keeps telling us to eat more fruit and veg. Well I do eat > more, Because you're TOLD to??? :-) > but I keep on seeing adverts telling us to eat more. They don't tell me > when I should stop eating more, when I've got enough. We love vegetables and fruit so much that we couldn't eat more - we get full! > Or whether that should be as well as chocolate or instead of chocolate. Eat vegetables with your meals. Eat chocolate at all other times as and when you feel like it :-) > They also keep telling us to turn the central heating down by one degree > to save fuel. How many times am I expected to turn it down one degree, > and how many times can I before we freeze. I've been to fuel saving sites and have been infuriated by this attitude. Our thermostat is turned down as far as it will go, well below the lowest marked temperature - 10C. The ch rarely comes on, this is a very well insulated and draught-proofed house but we don't feel cold. Or if we do we put on another layer - and no, we've never got to wearing overcoats and gloves :-) We're not daft and like to be comfortable. The worst aspect of these sites is that there's no opportunity to report this lack, it seems that the lowest temperature they'll allow is 19C which, to us, would be too warm. I know that your house is different, everyone's is, that's really my point about blanket information/advice. > Tim >>> My tenet is that I shouldn't eat or drink anything because it DOES me >>> good but because I enjoy it and it makes me FEEL good. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >but nor would I eat anything just because it was promoted as being good for >me. If I don't enjoy it I don't have it. I just returned from a week in London, England where instead of my usual lo-carb diet I ate nothing but lovely English breakfasts, museum sandwiches, Tesco sandwiches, Winchester Cathedral sandwiches, honey yogart made with cream , pasta, sticky puddings, and ginger chocolate cookies, scones with cream. I lost two pounds. I don't understand why people are always bedmouthing British food, it is delightful and secretly burns calories. Marilyn > I always feel suspicious of any new fad that tells us that concentrating > any one particular foodstuff in our diet will improve our health. History > says they don't last. It's relatively easy to show that particular foods > are harmful in some way, grapefruit juice increases the chance of BC, or increases estrogen, or, god knows..... the studies are interesting but epidemiology is so soft it takes MANY studies to do anything conclusive. Even the nicotine/tobacco indicting ones were questioned for years. some STILL question them. > Tim >> I always feel suspicious of any new fad that tells us that concentrating >> any one particular foodstuff in our diet will improve our health. History [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ones were questioned for years. > some STILL question them. >> Tim There's a thriving branch of the Flat Earth Society at our University. Mary > There's a thriving branch of the Flat Earth Society at our University. Many residents of the United States still believe an omnipotent being has plans; and that death is just an onramp. > Mary >Many residents of the United States still > believe an omnipotent being has plans; and > that death is just an onramp. Why do you stipulate the "United States" in your post, Pumpkin? You certainly can't believe that other nations do not have their own beliefs in some sort of an omnipotent being and trying to get on that "onramp" at death. Trice NO SPAM OR FORWARDS, PLEASE. > Why do you stipulate the "United States" in your post, Pumpkin? You > certainly can't believe that other nations do not have their own beliefs > in some sort of an omnipotent being and trying to get on that "onramp" > at death. because the original poster referred to her location of residence, so I referred to mine. I live in the U.S. "Trice" is a cool name. > I always feel suspicious of any new fad that tells us that concentrating > any one particular foodstuff in our diet will improve our health. I meant to say, I also really LIKE it ;-) Pomegranate juice tastes really really awful! ;-) > History says they don't last. It's relatively easy to show that > particular foods are harmful in some way, a lot harder to show that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Tim >I drink it every day, have for years, for the lycopene (antioxidant!) and >Vit C, and now comes this study saying it can "cause" BC and that if you've [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >take resveratrol (which I do) and Vitamin C; before that it was grapefruit >juice and....oh heck, I can't remember. Has anyone heard anything bad about eating dark chocolate? Since I practically live on the stuff. Marilyn >Has anyone heard anything bad about eating > dark chocolate? Since I practically live on the > stuff. >Marilyn I just know that "any" chocolate is great if one is depressed in my opinion. Better than Valiums any day!<g Recently they were talking on a particular news show about how good "dark" chocolate is for us but I don't remember the show or "good in what way". It was just a good excuse for me to eat more chocolate so I didn't care about the rest of the info. But I do know it said something about "dark" chocolate being better than the other kind. I bet you are one happy gal, Marilyn if you live on dark chocolate!<g Trice NO SPAM OR FORWARDS, PLEASE. I eat chocolate daily. dark is good; it's the sugar and fat that are not! >>I drink it every day, have for years, for the lycopene (antioxidant!) and >>Vit C, and now comes this study saying it can "cause" BC and that if [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Marilyn |
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