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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Breast Cancer / October 2007Jury slaps Wyeth with $134.5 million judgment over hormone replacement drug
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com Health Lover Jury slaps Wyeth with $134.5 million judgment over hormone replacement drug http://news.lp.findlaw.com/ap/o/51/10-11-2007/454200102eea12be.html SANDRA CHEREB Associated Press Writer (AP) - RENO, Nevada-A jury levied a $134.5 million (â¬94.72 million) judgment against Wyeth in a lawsuit filed by three Nevada women who claimed the company's hormone replacement drugs caused their breast cancer. It was the largest award to date against the New Jersey-based pharmaceutical company, which faces about 5,300 similar lawsuits across the United States in state and federal courts. The panel deliberated for two days before announcing its verdict late Wednesday in favor of Jeraldine Scofield, 75; Arlene Rowatt, 67; and Pamela Forrester, 64. The same five-man, two-woman jury will return to the courtroom Friday to consider punitive damages against the drug maker. Wyeth spokesman Doug Petkus on Thursday said the company would have no comment because the case was not finished. But in an e-mail to The Associated Press, he noted that 20 similar cases have gone to trial or been otherwise resolved. Of those, he said three resulted in favor of the company, two plaintiff verdicts were set aside by the courts, and three cases were dismissed on summary judgment. Twelve other cases were voluntarily dismissed by plaintiffs before trial, he said. During the four-week Reno trial, the women testified that they started taking Premarin, an estrogen replacement, and Prempro, a combination of estrogen and progestin, to help offset menopausal symptoms, but were taken off the therapy when they developed breast cancer. Wyeth lawyers argued the company sponsored or participated in a list of studies on the risks of breast cancer, and detailed risks on warning labels included with each bottle of the drug. They also said the drug, approved the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, is not dangerous and remains on the market. All three women were awarded $7.5 million (â¬5.28 million) in past damages. Jurors also awarded $36 million (â¬25.35 million) each to Scofield and Rowatt for future damages, and $40 million (â¬28.17 million) to Forrester. After the verdict was announced, the women hugged their attorneys and cried. "You so deserved this," one lawyer, Zoe Littlepage, told them. "You so, so deserved this." Geoffry White, another lawyer for the women, also deferred comment Thursday until after the punitive phase. Wyeth reached an undisclosed settlement last October with a fourth woman who had been part of the Washoe District Court lawsuit. Carol McCreary was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2001 after taking Prempro for about 33 months. She died in April at age 59. I'm sure U.S.' FDA is very strict when it comes to Food and Drugs but how did it pass their tests? Could it be an adverse effect that rarely occurs but an adverse affect nonetheless? I believe people do have individual reactions to certain drugs. If this is the case, well, it should teach Wyeth not to mess up with nature. > I'm sure U.S.' FDA is very strict when it comes to Food and Drugs but > how did it pass their tests? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > drugs. If this is the case, well, it should teach Wyeth not to mess up > with nature. All they had to do was take a soy concentrate product, but "everyone ha ha " knows that soy has no effect. Ha HA There is nothing wrong with messing with "nature". Nature kills. Rather Wyeth isreally bad at it, IMO. Excessive doses, wrong hormonal forms, use of hormonal analogs, and a failure of follow up on the science. Even then there are other issues that worsen the results for those using Wyeth estrogen replacement products. The very low levels of vitamin D3 serum levels in the population didn't help. The use of synthetic progestrerones as well as the use of the oral route instead of injections or transdermal applications. Indeed, the use of DHEA looks rather more promising than does estrogen, IMO. Then there issue of androgen replacement in women. And of course Wyeth had a fixed dose product containing far too much testosterone and it contains a form of testosterone that is known to be toxic to the liver. Methyl testosterone was or is the form they put in the product. Anyway that is the opinion of some. In a slightly more ideal world, the big boys from Wyeth would spend the rest of their lives in prison with monthly canings, 1600 calorie meals, and sleep in 4 foot by 4 foot barbed wire cages. > I'm sure U.S.' FDA is very strict when it comes to Food and Drugs but > how did it pass their tests? FDA allowed mercury in vaccines for years (but turned around and told women not to eat tuna during pregnancy *roll eyes*). In fact, I told my oncologist I would pass on the flu vaccine because it still contains it (except in live virus form). (I know.. the amount isn't much but considering all the other sources and my irritation at their conflict of interests... it is my own position that i won't take it.) Unfortunately, the FDA needs some overhaul and conflicts of interests need to be weeded out to ensure that the public has more trust. Too many "experts" on their boards have ties to the very people they are monitoring. I am not saying that they intentionally go out and "pass" suspect meds... but I do think that financial incentives or business ties can cloud decisions in "iffy" studies or cases where it isn't a clear cut danger. On the other hand, wyeth paid out a lot of claims on their diet drug that I don't think had anything to do with their diet drug so a win in a lower court doesn't always mean that they are wrong. E. >> I'm sure U.S.' FDA is very strict when it comes to Food and Drugs but >> how did it pass their tests? > > FDA allowed mercury in vaccines for years (but turned around > and told women not to eat tuna during pregnancy *roll eyes*). All mercury compounds are not created equal. The one in vaccines has never been shown to cause any problems. Yes, there are those who make that claim, but they are either seriously misguided, or are anti-vaccination liars. The fact that the FDA had thimerosal removed from vaccines was caused by their valid concern that vaccine uptake would drop and this would negatively impact herd immunity. This is precisely what happened in England with the MMR scaremongering by the totally discredited Wakefield. The mercury in fish is highly toxic and warning omen to avoid consuming that was a wise choice. > In fact, I told my oncologist I would pass on the flu vaccine > because it still contains it (except in live virus form). (I know.. > the amount isn't much but > considering all the other sources and my irritation at their conflict > of interests... it is my own position that i won't take it.) Your choice. I hope you do not regret it. > Unfortunately, the FDA needs some overhaul and conflicts of > interests need to be weeded out to ensure that the public has [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > or business ties can cloud decisions in "iffy" studies or cases where > it isn't a clear cut danger. The FDA needs to be better funded by the taxpayers. > On the other hand, wyeth paid out a lot of claims on their diet drug > that I don't think had anything to do with their diet drug so a win > in a lower court doesn't always mean that they are wrong. In misc.health.alternative, a jury verdict trumps scientific logic and evidence every time. > E. Mark the Idiot! The one in vaccines has > never been shown to cause any problems. Yes, there are those who make > that claim, but they are either seriously misguided, or are > anti-vaccination liars. The controversy is abt can Thimerosal cause Autism...We KNOW thimerosal is a NEUROTOXIN, But what kind of brain damage does it cause! OEHHA (Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assesment) reports: "The scientific evidence that PMA and Thimerosal cause reproductive toxcitity is CLEAR and VOLUMINOUS. The evidence for its reproductive toxcitity includes severe mental retardation or malformations in human offspring who were poisoned when their mothers were exposed to ethylmercury or thimerosal while pregnant." http://www.oehha.ca.gov/prop65/CRNR_notices/pdf_zip/hgbayer1.pdf > >> I'm sure U.S.' FDA is very strict when it comes to Food and Drugs but > >> how did it pass their tests? [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Mark the Idiot! > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > > - Show quoted text - once again you demonstrate that you are the crowned champion idiot, this time by posting a responce in a lawsuit which is nothing but posturing as in bullshit. you know that your post was worthless tripe but that doesn't bother you anti-vaccination liars. > once again you demonstrate that you are the crowned champion > idiot, this time by posting a responce in a lawsuit which is nothing > but posturing as in bullshit. WTF are you talking about? What I posted had NOTHING at all to do with lawsuits. It is from The Office of Enviromental Health in California! So, Now who is calling who an Idiot??? :o) > > Mark the Idiot! > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On Oct 13, 2:24 pm, top-posting idiot Kevysmom <bluebun...@gmail.com> wrote: > > once again you demonstrate that you are the crowned champion > > idiot, this time by posting a responce in a lawsuit which is nothing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So, Now who is calling who an Idiot??? :o) You are the idiot extrodinaraire! the EPA office has their name on it but you need to read the title. Its a response to another filing, pure posturing, legal BS. even after I pointed it out you STILL didn't read the crap you posted, you know, the very first thing (at the top) of the file you linked. moron. Hey Captn Numb Nuts!! > You are the idiot extrodinaraire! > the EPA office has their name on it but you need to read the title. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you know, the very first thing (at the top) of the file you linked. > moron. It is a response to Bayer, who wanted Thimerosal to be taken off the list of reproductive Toxins. After careful research, The Office of Environmental Health in Califorina made a response. Thimerosal has been PROVEN to cause severe mental retardation to babies when pregnant women were exposed. Yes, I have read it like....30 times you anal nit! On Oct 15, 8:33 am, just Ed. Scum, who <just_8SHIT...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Oct 13, 2:24 pm, top-posting SWEETHEART Kevysmom <bluebun...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > you know, the very first thing (at the top) of the file you linked. > moron. > Mark the Idiot! From you, I take that a adulation. > The one in vaccines has >> never been shown to cause any problems. Yes, there are those who make [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >>> E.- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text - > From you, I take that a adulation. LOL, Well of course you would! On Oct 13, 10:00 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote: > > Mark the Idiot! > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > >>> E.- Hide quoted text - > >> - Show quoted text - Er guys, aren't we all acting a little unprofessional around here? Actually, I'm the idiot because I don't understand what you guys are talking about. I'm really confused. LOL. But there is always both sides of the story. Fact of the matter is, nature does kill, I agree, and at the same time, it cures. Remember that the meds were derived from the same elements that nature provided. If a person is going to die, that's nature's or God's will, however, if you do something to quicken your death, that's a liability. I believe that thing needs to be looked upon closely. In science, there is always a risk. Some people cannot afford that risk while some believes that it is necessary to further advance. I respected both sides opinion. > Er guys, aren't we all acting a little unprofessional around here? Im just messing with Mark, I think he would have his feelings hurt if I didnt call him a name! :o) Some people cannot afford that > risk while some believes that it is necessary to further advance. I > respected both sides opinion. But we have codes of ethics that need to be followed. And when they are broken thats when you lose trust. > Er guys, aren't we all acting a little unprofessional around here? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > risk while some believes that it is necessary to further advance. I > respected both sides opinion. > Er guys, aren't we all acting a little unprofessional around here? Long history. > Actually, I'm the idiot because I don't understand what you guys are > talking about. I'm really confused. LOL. > > But there is always both sides of the story. Not all sides, or opinions, are created equal. Some have scientific facts, others idle conjecture. Fact of the matter is, > nature does kill, I agree, and at the same time, it cures. Remember > that the meds were derived from the same elements that nature > provided. You are kidding, right? You mean that Mother Nature created elements that are used to make evil pharmaceuticals? I am shocked. > If a person is going to die, that's nature's or God's will, however, > if you do something to quicken your death, that's a liability. I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > risk while some believes that it is necessary to further advance. I > respected both sides opinion. In "alternative science" there is also a risk. >But we have codes of ethics that need to be followed. And when they >are broken thats when you lose trust. You're right, kevs... Ethics covers what's morally right, and it doesn't include human sacrifices... However, if there's a dilemma.. choose the lesser evil. (Nursing Jurisprudence) > You are kidding, right? You mean that Mother Nature created elements > that are used to make evil pharmaceuticals? I am shocked. Well, pharmaceuticals were created to save lives of course.. What I mean is, there are also elements in nature that also takes away life.. that's why nature kills as trigo says: >>"There is nothing wrong with messing with "nature". >>Nature kills" However, it can also cure.. that is, of course, if utilized in the right way. > You're right, kevs... Ethics covers what's morally right, and it > doesn't include human sacrifices... Did you hear that Mark...Im right! Thank You Ursa! :o) > >But we have codes of ethics that need to be followed. And when they > >are broken thats when you lose trust. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > However, it can also cure.. that is, of course, if utilized in the > right way. >> You're right, kevs... Ethics covers what's morally right, and it >> doesn't include human sacrifices... > > Did you hear that Mark...Im right! A broken 24 hour digital clock is right once a day. > Thank You Ursa! :o) > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> However, it can also cure.. that is, of course, if utilized in the >> right way. >> From you, I take that a adulation. > > LOL, Well of course you would! I am glad to see that you understand the esteem I have for you. > >> From you, I take that a adulation. > > > LOL, Well of course you would! > > I am glad to see that you understand the esteem I have for you. Well, what I really wanted to call you, You would not have comprehended, being the idiot that you are, so I make things simple for ya! j/k Are you a christian? I dont think Ive ever ask you that question. > >> From you, I take that a adulation. > > > LOL, Well of course you would! > > I am glad to see that you understand the esteem I have for you. >>>> From you, I take that a adulation. >>> LOL, Well of course you would! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > comprehended, being the > idiot that you are, so I make things simple for ya! j/k Please call me that. I am up for the challenge. > Are you a christian? I dont think Ive ever ask you that question. Why is that relevant? >Mark the Idiot! > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.oehha.ca.gov/prop65/CRNR_notices/pdf_zip/hgbayer1.pdf Yes, but *at what dosage?* There's no question that a big enough slug of mercury will do all kinds of damage, but how much? Saying that mercury *can* do this doesn't tell us *when* it will do this. (And the answer is not "always", because we all have some mercury in our bodies.) -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly dangerous people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke > Yes, but *at what dosage?* There's no question that a big enough slug > of mercury will do all kinds of damage, but how much? Saying that > mercury *can* do this doesn't tell us *when* it will do this. > > (And the answer is not "always", because we all have some mercury in > our bodies.) I sure wish I had a dollar for everytime you guys post this SAME old line! What the heck is a slug of mercury? One drop on the tip if a pin will pollute the water in a olympic size swimming pool. > In article <1192299881.431706.211...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >> Yes, but *at what dosage?* There's no question that a big enough slug >> of mercury will do all kinds of damage, but how much? Saying that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I sure wish I had a dollar for everytime you guys post this SAME old >line! I sure wish I had a dollar for every time you failed to comprehend it. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly dangerous people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke >> I'm sure U.S.' FDA is very strict when it comes to Food and Drugs but >> how did it pass their tests? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >considering all the other sources and my irritation at their conflict >of interests... it is my own position that i won't take it.) Suit yourself. The amount of mercury in a vaccine is about equal to the limits for food in 3-5 days (depending on how much you weight, and going with the most restrictive standard of 0.1 microgram / kg body weight). In addition, the food standards are for methylmercury, as opposed to the thimerosal in vaccines, which your body clears rapidly. For those who want to see how much mercury is in available US vaccines, check out http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly dangerous people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke > I'm sure U.S.' FDA is very strict when it comes to Food and Drugs but > how did it pass their tests? LOL http://www.whale.to/vaccine/fda2.html Wow, I never thought there is corruption even in FDA. And although Wyeth paid a great sum of money, it cannot bring back April's life. > I'm sure U.S.' FDA is very strict when it comes to Food and Drugs but > how did it pass their tests? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > drugs. If this is the case, well, it should teach Wyeth not to mess up > with nature. The problem with the FDA, is that it often relies on the testing of the very manufacturers, who have an agenda in mind with their studies, and research. The FDA seems heavily laden with industry laden individuals. Often the "real" testing occurs after the FDA has given it's rubber stamp approval of the products, which are now thrown onto the marketplace. Unwittingly, the public becomes part of the "real" trials and testing. And, that's when we hear whether the product is a good one or a dangerous one. My own preference is to not take any drug that has been on the market less than 5 years, unless I absolutely need to. I don't relish the idea of being a guinea pig, in more than I already have. In China recently, they executed their equivalent to the head of the FDA. Why?. . .For taking bribes with their manufacturers! I wish it had been a wake-up call for our own FDA! Alas, I don't believe it has. Myrl http://www.webstarmagic.com/wisletter.htm > I'm sure U.S.' FDA is very strict when it comes to Food and Drugs but > how did it pass their tests? Did you miss the fasco awhile back where an insider at FDA complained that the FDA ws functioning more to represent interests of Big Pharma than to protect the public? It is absurd that PremPro is still allowed on the market. If you read the recent article "Disruption of androgen receptor signaling by synthetic progestins may increase risk of developing breast cancer", http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/abstract/21/10/2285 , it is clear that unlike progesterone, MPA (the synthetic progestin used in PremPro) blocks the intracellular androgen receptor, thus increasing the risk of breast cancer. Ed Friedman Myrl Jeffcoat, www.BreastImplantAwarness.org/myrl.html aka Will Ketcher, etc. etc. etc. talks out of one side of big mouth to say this: >The problem with the FDA, is that it often relies on the testing of >the very manufacturers, who have an agenda in mind with their studies, >and research. And out of the other side, repeats verbatim the propaganda put out by Merck and their many quacky front groups about Gardasil ... as usual ... she prances down both sides of the aisle ... (double dipping is her word for it) > Myrl Jeffcoat,www.BreastImplantAwarness.org/myrl.html > aka Will Ketcher, etc. etc. etc. talks out of one side of big mouth to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ... she prances down both sides of the aisle ... (double dipping is > her word for it) No Ilena - There are positives and negatives to most everything in life. The difference between you and me - I am capable of seeing both sides of an issue, and I can often make wise decisions based on the debate that presents ALL facts. You are so emotionally and "bought" in or OFF, by a particular agenda, and are incapable of considering both sides. I don't believe you will find anything where I have said that I backed the FDA 100% on everything. I'm most definitely not a Flack for anyone, or anything. You're judging me - by the full knowledge of yourself. As for Gardasil, it must remembered that you continue to taut your "7" UNPROVEN associated deaths to the Gardasil Vaccine - but also continue to ignore the 250,000 - 290,000 women who die each year from Cervical Cancer. It is estimated that 70%+ of these cancers are caused by the HPV virus, which Gardasil would be protect against. By your failure to acknowledge this. . .You become a very effective Flack for the Funeral industry. http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com A website? Defamation and derogatory contents are against the law. As a webmaster, I am also aware of this. Why can't you guys settle this in a nice way? You guys are professionals aren't you? If this thing continues, even this group could get suspended. Just a reminder.. (Google TOS) 6. Appropriate Conduct You agree that you are responsible for your own conduct and communications while using the Service and for any consequences thereof. You agree to use the Service only to send and receive messages and material that are legal, proper and related to the particular Group. By way of example, and not as a limitation, you agree that when using the Service, you will not: * defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others; * post any inappropriate, defamatory, infringing, obscene, or unlawful Content; |
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