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Splodge - 15 Jun 2007 16:21 GMT
Does anyone know why my bc nurse should ask me to stop taking my Diclofenac
Sodium (NSAID)?

She's left a message on my answerfone, and I can't get her again until
Monday morning. I've phoned the 0808 800 6000 line and they can't think of
any reason either.

I need my NSAIDs for my arthritis, so it seems a bit odd.

Ta heaps if you can help
Jan
Tim Jackson - 15 Jun 2007 19:43 GMT
> Does anyone know why my bc nurse should ask me to stop taking my Diclofenac
> Sodium (NSAID)?
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> Ta heaps if you can help
> Jan

Assuming you are not planning to be eaten by vultures (its use for
veterinary purposes was found to be killing vultures in India), and
don't have gastrointestinal problems,  I would imagine it has something
to do with the recent suggestions that there may be an increased risk of
heart problems with this drug (it is being investigated following the
Vioxx withdrawal).   However the increase in risk, if it exists at all,
is small, and I'm sure will wait until Monday.

Tim Jackson
Mary Fisher - 15 Jun 2007 19:55 GMT
>> Does anyone know why my bc nurse should ask me to stop taking my
>> Diclofenac Sodium (NSAID)?
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>
> Tim Jackson

I'm not stopping taking mine - although since seeing the thing about
vultures I'm very careful to pick one up if we eat outside, I drop it and
our hens show interest :-)

My GP hasn't said anything about potential problems. My acupuncturist was
concerned about gastrointestinal effects but I'd rather have heartburn and
take a Rennies than have sciatic pain :-)

I only rarely have gastrointestinal problems and only after bending down in
the garden!

Mary

Mary
Splodge - 15 Jun 2007 21:15 GMT
>>> Does anyone know why my bc nurse should ask me to stop taking my
>>> Diclofenac Sodium (NSAID)?
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> I only rarely have gastrointestinal problems and only after bending down
> in the garden!

Haven't seen any vultures in my garden lately either Mary lol, but if I see
my cat hiding I'll know the tablets are working:))
Janet
Mary Fisher - 16 Jun 2007 10:15 GMT
>>> Assuming you are not planning to be eaten by vultures (its use for
>>> veterinary purposes was found to be killing vultures in India), and
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> Haven't seen any vultures in my garden lately either Mary lol, but if I
> see my cat hiding I'll know the tablets are working:))

Nice one!

Mary
> Janet
Splodge - 15 Jun 2007 21:11 GMT
>> Does anyone know why my bc nurse should ask me to stop taking my
>> Diclofenac Sodium (NSAID)?
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>
> Tim Jackson

I've decided to keep taking them Tim, otherwise I won't be able to walk by
the end of next week. I'm having surgery on July 3rd, and am sure the nurse
has made a mistake. She was with me when the surgeon told me to stop taking
my HRT tablets, which I did immediately. Hopefully she's just muddled them
up.
Thanks
Jan
alex - 15 Jun 2007 22:48 GMT
"taking them Tim, otherwise I won't be able to walk by
> the end of next week. I'm having surgery on July 3rd, and am sure the
> nurse has made a mistake. She was with me when the surgeon told me to stop
> taking my HRT tablets, which I did immediately. Hopefully she's just
> muddled them up.
> Thanks
> Jan

It is common surgical practice here where I live to STOP NSAIDs prior to
surgery.  NSAIDs can prolong bleeding and there is no antidote ( like blood
thinners have).  In larger doses it can effect renal and liver function (
which anesthesia taxes).  The nurse should have suggested an alternate pain
medication prior to surgery which does not cause bleeding issues such as
Tylenol.

Alex
Splodge - 15 Jun 2007 23:16 GMT
> "taking them Tim, otherwise I won't be able to walk by
>> the end of next week. I'm having surgery on July 3rd, and am sure the
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> alternate pain medication prior to surgery which does not cause bleeding
> issues such as Tylenol.

I've had about 12 general anaesthetics for joint replacements over the last
10 years, Alex, and I've never been asked to stop taking my NSAIDs before. I
don't have pain as such, just inflammation and stiffness of the joints.
I'll see what they say on Monday and report back
Jan
Sandy L - 16 Jun 2007 04:23 GMT
>> "taking them Tim, otherwise I won't be able to walk by
>>> the end of next week. I'm having surgery on July 3rd, and am sure the
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> I'll see what they say on Monday and report back
> Jan
Stopping before surgery is common, but not this long before surgery, I would
think.
Splodge - 16 Jun 2007 17:55 GMT
>>> "taking them Tim, otherwise I won't be able to walk by
>>>> the end of next week. I'm having surgery on July 3rd, and am sure the
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> Stopping before surgery is common, but not this long before surgery, I
> would think.
Yes, I'm inclined to agree with you. I'll be asking about that on Monday.
Janet
alex - 16 Jun 2007 06:54 GMT
> I've had about 12 general anaesthetics for joint replacements over the
> last 10 years, Alex, and I've never been asked to stop taking my NSAIDs
> before. I don't have pain as such, just inflammation and stiffness of the
> joints.
> I'll see what they say on Monday and report back
> Jan

http://www.arthritis.org/preparing-for-surgery.php

According to the standard of care here in the US, patients are requested to
go off NSAIDs. I don't believe waiting until Monday to clarify will change a
thing.  My Dad had taken a aspirin prior to emergent surgery and they had to
cancel surgery due to a prolonged bleeding time. They tried to give him
plasma no luck, had a hematologist see him, etc but it was a wait and see
situation. It was almost 2 weeks before they could safely do his surgery.  I
do believe he was on the extreme end of waiting for  his bleeding time to
return to normal.

Good luck with your surgery and let us know if the message was right.

Alex
Splodge - 16 Jun 2007 17:53 GMT
>> I've had about 12 general anaesthetics for joint replacements over the
>> last 10 years, Alex, and I've never been asked to stop taking my NSAIDs
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>
> Good luck with your surgery and let us know if the message was right.

Thanks for that link Alex. Yes, I'll post back on Monday. After reading that
link I can see the message might have been right. If it is, I shall ask if I
can take them for a while longer, or as long as possible.
Jan
Tim Jackson - 19 Jun 2007 09:51 GMT
>>My Dad had taken a aspirin prior to emergent surgery and they had to
> cancel surgery due to a prolonged bleeding time.

That reminds me of the old joke about the autocratic and much feared
consultant doing grand rounds with a bunch of medical students.  While
reviewing a surgical case he spots one student's attention drifting and
decides on a snap test. "You! Jones! What's the bleeding time?"  "Uh?
What? Oh.  Er, it's half past two sir."

Tim
Splodge - 19 Jun 2007 10:34 GMT
>>>My Dad had taken a aspirin prior to emergent surgery and they had to
>> cancel surgery due to a prolonged bleeding time.
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>
> Tim

Nice one Tim
Jan
Mary Fisher - 26 Jun 2007 20:19 GMT
>>>My Dad had taken a aspirin prior to emergent surgery and they had to
>> cancel surgery due to a prolonged bleeding time.
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>
> Tim

Doctor in the House :-)

Mary
Mary Fisher - 26 Jun 2007 20:20 GMT
>>>>My Dad had taken a aspirin prior to emergent surgery and they had to
>>> cancel surgery due to a prolonged bleeding time.
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>
> Mary

James Robertson Justice was the autocratic etc. consultant. I think Dirk
Bogard gave the answer but could be wrong about that.

Mary
Mary Fisher - 16 Jun 2007 10:21 GMT
> "taking them Tim, otherwise I won't be able to walk by
>> the end of next week. I'm having surgery on July 3rd, and am sure the
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>
> Alex

Interesting. It hasn't been an issue when I've had surgery while taking
Diclofenac (as well as co-codamol and dihydrocodeine). I've been told not to
stop taking anything - then they've dished out paracetamol to help with post
surgical pain even when I've said I neither need it nor want it!

This isn't really the place do discuss this but I've recently begun a course
of acupuncture (my GP suggested that it might help) to see if my
neurological back, hip and leg pain can be alleviated. So far there seems to
be some improvement, I'm not rattling as much from the number of pills I
down.

I'm hopeful.

Mary
Splodge - 18 Jun 2007 21:51 GMT
> Does anyone know why my bc nurse should ask me to stop taking my
> Diclofenac Sodium (NSAID)?
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> Ta heaps if you can help
> Jan

After the nurse consulted with the surgeon today I've been told to stop
taking my NSAIDs one or two days before surgery. So I'm aiming to stop two
days before the blue dye test. As mentioned in earlier posts, it's because
it can prolong bleeding.

Thanks to everyone for being so helpful. If I think of any more questions,
I'll be back lol
Jan
 
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