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Goodbye, Tamoxifen...  Hello, Warfarin....

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María - 20 May 2007 11:38 GMT
My aim here is not to cause concern but to sound a little warning.  If
you're a bit of a hypocondriac (as I am) and currently on Tamoxifen, you may
not want to continue reading this ....

[20 spaces]

A few weeks ago I flew to Spain for a holiday.  Since I was flying from the
UK the flight itself was barely two hours but we took trains both ends which
meant that in total I was sitting down for about six hours.

A couple of days after arriving in Spain and after suffering some pretty
horrendous cramps, my right calf muscle seemed to seize up, it was as if it
was made of iron and I found myself hobbling around for about three days.

A few days later I developed a pain in my chest and upper back, it was very
sharp and would make me gasp when I moved suddenly.

Well, my leg pain eventually eased (but not before messing with my lower
back) and so did the chest pain, although I noticed that by breath was sort
of "catching", that I couldn't breathe as deeply as a thought I could or
that when my inhalation reached a certain point there was a sharp pain.

I mentioned both things and the fact that I seemed to be getting out of
breath much quicker than I ever had before at my oncology check up this
week.

To cut a long story short, tests were run and an ultrasound on my leg found
that I had some blood clots.  Diagnosis: deep vein thrombosis (dvt) and
possible pulmonary embolism (PE).

So, no more Tamoxifen for me.  I'm now on a blood thinner called Warfarin
for the next six months.  I'm lucky, no permanent damage has been done.

Both DVT and PE are frequently asymptomatic, although I must say I had
noticed the breathlessness for a few months prior to my holiday and I've
suffered from very bad leg cramps since starting Tamoxifen.

I thought I'd discuss this here as someone out there might be going through
something similar.  Tell your onc.  Both a cancer diagnosis and Tamoxifen
can be pre-disposing factors for DVT.

More info on DVT here: http://www.dvtsafetyzone.co.uk/Modulos/patients.aspx

All the best

María
Mary Fisher - 20 May 2007 12:34 GMT
> My aim here is not to cause concern but to sound a little warning.  If
> you're a bit of a hypocondriac (as I am) and currently on Tamoxifen, you
> may not want to continue reading this ....

...

> To cut a long story short, tests were run and an ultrasound on my leg
> found that I had some blood clots.  Diagnosis: deep vein thrombosis (dvt)
> and possible pulmonary embolism (PE).
>
> So, no more Tamoxifen for me.

Or no more flying or sitting still for some time :-)

Mary

Who is whatever the opposite of a hypochondriac is - sorry for grammar! <G>
Tim Jackson - 20 May 2007 15:05 GMT
> Mary
>
> Who is whatever the opposite of a hypochondriac is - sorry for grammar! <G>

The made-up word "hyperchondriac" would be singularly appropriate for
this group as in the original Greek hypochondriac literally means "below
the (costal) cartilage", the Greeks believing the spleen to be the seat
of melancholy; so hyperchondria would literally mean "above the ribs".

Tim
Mary Fisher - 20 May 2007 17:38 GMT
>> Mary
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> (costal) cartilage", the Greeks believing the spleen to be the seat of
> melancholy; so hyperchondria would literally mean "above the ribs".

Oooooh! 'ark at 'im!!!!!!!!

LOL

M

> Tim
Bea Oo - 20 May 2007 19:48 GMT
>the original Greek hypochondriac literally
> means "below the (costal) cartilage", the
> Greeks believing the spleen to be the seat of
> melancholy; so hyperchondria would literally
> mean "above the ribs".
>Tim

Give that man a cigar!    He's right again!  I checked it out in my good
old Webtster's and it agrees with Tim.  It is amazing what we can learn
from our friends across the ocean.  Just think.......England has Tony
Blair AND Tim.  What more can a nation ask for?? (And you, too, Mary.  I
don't forget the women.)    

Bea  

'NO FORWARDS OR SPAM, PLEASE"
Mary Fisher - 20 May 2007 20:44 GMT
> >the original Greek hypochondriac literally
>> means "below the (costal) cartilage", the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Blair AND Tim.  What more can a nation ask for?? (And you, too, Mary.  I
> don't forget the women.)

I don't like being identified with Our Glorious Leader. And that's not Tim.
Would that it were ...

Mary
Bea Oo - 21 May 2007 02:13 GMT
>I don't like being identified with Our Glorious
> Leader. And that's not Tim. Would that it were
...
>Mary

Sorry Mary, I was not trying to irritate you.  It actually was supposed
to be a "compliment" especially to Tim.  I have no idea what you mean by
"that's not Tim".  My compliment to him for his helpful knowledge and
being here so much to share it with us does seem to be like the Tim I
have gotten to know from his many helpful posts.    

Your post really has me confused and I think you have completely
misunderstood the true meaning of my post.  

Bea      

'NO FORWARDS OR SPAM, PLEASE"
Tim Jackson - 21 May 2007 07:44 GMT
>> I don't like being identified with Our Glorious
>> Leader. And that's not Tim. Would that it were
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> 'NO FORWARDS OR SPAM, PLEASE"

It's clear to the English, but loses something in translation.
In a nutshell she suggests that, in common with most of the population,
I am more popular than our prime minister these days.

It's another political statement I'm afraid.

Tim
x{yz}enophil44@hotmail.com - 21 May 2007 09:50 GMT
Mary wrote

>>I don't like being identified with Our Glorious
>> Leader. And that's not Tim. Would that it were

>Sorry Mary, I was not trying to irritate you.  It actually was supposed
>to be a "compliment" especially to Tim.  I have no idea what you mean by
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Your post really has me confused and I think you have completely
>misunderstood the true meaning of my post.  

Mary is just saying that nowadays, at the end of his period of office,
most of the population of the UK don't share your enthusiasm for Tony
Blair, not entirely for political reasons, and that she would rather
have Tim as Our Glorious Leader.
Signature

"It's easier to get forgiveness than permission."
Rear Admiral "Amazing" Grace Hopper

Mary Fisher - 21 May 2007 09:51 GMT
> >I don't like being identified with Our Glorious
>> Leader. And that's not Tim. Would that it were
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Your post really has me confused and I think you have completely
> misunderstood the true meaning of my post.

LOL! Bea I'm not at all irritated - well, that is - no! I'm not going to
bring politics into the ng :-) I might mail you.

Tim is a wonderful, warm, knowledgeable and helpful person, in real life as
here.

Mary
Eva - 21 May 2007 00:08 GMT
<snip>
> To cut a long story short, tests were run and an ultrasound on my leg found
> that I had some blood clots.  Diagnosis: deep vein thrombosis (dvt) and
> possible pulmonary embolism (PE).
>
> So, no more Tamoxifen for me.  I'm now on a blood thinner called Warfarin
> for the next six months.  I'm lucky, no permanent damage has been done.
-----------
You sure are lucky, you could have been a goner!  Thank God you got to the
doctor without further delay.

Are you post-menopausal?  Can you take Arimidex instead?

Eva
María - 21 May 2007 09:20 GMT
Dear Eva

Thanks for your concern.

I guess I am lucky, sort of.  No, I'm 43 so I'll see the breast cancer nurse
but I don't think there's anything out there for me.  I did complete three
years of Tamoxifen.

Regards

María

> <snip>
>> To cut a long story short, tests were run and an ultrasound on my leg
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Eva
 
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