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Ilena Rose - 28 May 2006 19:49 GMT
kilikini ...

Unfortunately, thousands and thousands of women are being injured and
made ill from saline implants too ...

The body seems even less able to handle these foreign objects in the
body after surgery, radiation and/or chemo ...

Some women find they have a lifetime of surgery ahead when they begin
with breast implants of all types ...

Please read these stories of women with saline implants:

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Patty.html
She owns the Saline Support yahoo group

www.BreastImplantAwarenes.org/Shari.htm

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/karen.htm
Karen had silicone gel after mastectomy

.

PS: I am no lobbyist ... I care deeply about the health of women and
know they are being mislead and lied to about the real dangers of
breast implants.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org

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Ilena Rose - 28 May 2006 20:49 GMT
Thank you Alex... but I am very capable of speaking for myself and you
have misrepresented how I feel about breast implants.

I do not want the government (FDA) to lie to the public that breast
implants are 'safe' ... they are NOT by any definition of the word.

For more on my opinions (not Alex's twists), please visit:

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org

kilikini ...

Unfortunately, thousands and thousands of women are being injured and
made ill from saline implants too ...

The body seems even less able to handle these foreign objects in the
body after surgery, radiation and/or chemo ...

Some women find they have a lifetime of surgery ahead when they begin
with breast implants of all types ...

Please read these stories of women with saline implants:

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Patty.html
She owns the Saline Support yahoo group

www.BreastImplantAwarenes.org/Shari.htm

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/karen.htm
Karen had silicone gel after mastectomy

.

PS: I am no lobbyist ... I care deeply about the health of women and
know they are being mislead and lied to about the real dangers of
breast implants.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
alex - 28 May 2006 22:40 GMT
Ilena,

This is a breast cancer support group. I am speaking now a RN, who have
taken care of women who choose death than rather than to loose a breast. In
my opinion, having a person alive with implants is better then dying.  In my
3 decades of nursing practice, I have never seen one  women who had any
saline rupture or complications from saline implants, I suspect this is
because they are not admitted into the hospital and treated outpatient. I
have NEVER seen  an insurance clained denied when  a person had
complications from elective cosmetic surgery and then admitted for
complications. I did question these claims  but  was told by management to
pay them.

Karen did not have cancer, unfortunately most of her illness she would have.
As far as her brain goes, unfortunately won't know until she dies and has a
post.

Glad you posted your web information, I think it speaks for itself.  I still
believe it is a woman's choice.
Alex

> Thank you Alex... but I am very capable of speaking for myself and you
> have misrepresented how I feel about breast implants.
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kilikini - 29 May 2006 04:58 GMT
> Ilena,
>
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> believe it is a woman's choice.
> Alex

What a wonderful post.  Thanks, Alex, I feel so much better now.  (I was
kind of wondering.)

kili
alex - 28 May 2006 22:46 GMT
> Thank you Alex... but I am very capable of speaking for myself and you
> have misrepresented how I feel about breast implants.
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>
> For more on my opinions (not Alex's twists), please visit:

Just for my own personal growth I said
"Ilena Rose mission is to outlaw breast implants. She never had breast
cancer." which part of my statement is wrong?

You are not a breast cancer survivor are you?
You want to outlaw breast implants.......
Alex
Coleah - 28 May 2006 23:24 GMT
> > Thank you Alex... but I am very capable of speaking for myself and you
> > have misrepresented how I feel about breast implants.
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> You want to outlaw breast implants.......
> Alex

No Alex, Ilena Rosenthal is not a breast cancer survivor.
Ilena Rosenthal never had breast implants either.
I also believe that Ilena Rosenthal has a screaming mee-mee mission to just
'outlaw' breast implants, no matter what.

While those of us who were actually damaged by breast implants seek answers
for ourselves we can certainly understand a breast cancer woman's desire to
have them.  Safety, and informed consent are the key issues for a woman's
choice.  The FDA has an enormous burden and must leave no stone unturned
prior to any approval.  Then it is a woman's choice.
John Richards - 29 May 2006 02:58 GMT
You are an alarmist. Sure, all surgeries have some risk, but the
overwhelming majority of BC patients who choose reconstruction
do not have major problems with their implants.
My wife chose immediate reconstruction, and we were pleased
with the result. Unfortunately she died three years later of
BC metastases, but that was unrelated to the reconstruction.

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John Richards

> Thank you Alex... but I am very capable of speaking for myself and you
> have misrepresented how I feel about breast implants.
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>
> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
pamgd1977@yahoo.com - 29 May 2006 06:38 GMT
John,

I am sorry for the loss of your wife.  Please let me speak from the
experience of a BC patient who underwent total reconstruction at the
age of 33.

I waited 5 1/2 years before undergoing total reconstruction for a
radical mastectomy.  The PS listed the all the positives and I fell
right into the plastic surgeons' money pit of repeat surgeries.

Had anyone asked me within the first 3-5 years how happy I was with the
reconstruction, I would have said I was happy with it, even though by
the end of the 3rd year, I had undergone two replacements.

I have undergone numerous surgeries and need more to fix this total
disaster that I call a chest.  The insurance company that paid for all
the reconstruction refused coverage when I lost my health insurance
after my husband's retirement.

What plastic surgeons do not tell women is that they have not done
long-term studies on the impact reconstruction surgeries have on the
life of the patient. (Patients who have had the reconstruction longer
than 5 years)  I attempted to get data from the ASPRS in 2000.  None
existed.  The lady who called me from the ASPRS told me it was "too
onerous" on their membership to expect doctors to report the repeat
surgeries and problems with the reconstruction.  She suggested if I
wanted that data, I should call all the plastic surgeons and ask.
Their membership at that time was around 5000.  Lot of phone calls to
make for an individual.

The implant manufacturers and the plastic surgeons use breast cancer
patients as a blade on the engine of a fast moving implant train.  It
is time our government stopped allowing breast cancer patients to be
used as guinea pigs.  Time we were no longer used as the poster
children for that industry without a conscience.

There is no such thing as a safe breast reconstruction and no man can
know the pain that comes along with these surgeries.  When doctors move
muscle from one part of the body and put it somewhere else, it creates
critical painful problems.

It isn't a simple matter of all "surgeries have some risk". With breast
reconstruction, it is a sick game of using women whose bodies are
already vulnerable to add money into the bank account of a greedy
industry.

Implants do more than mask possible tumors of the breast.  They mask
the heart and make it difficult to diagnose critical cardiac
complications.  While the studies do show no increased risk of breast
cancer and implants, they DO show an increase in brain and lung cancer.
Plastic surgeons happily gloss over this as they play on the hearbreak
of women, diagnosed with cancer, wanting to look "normal" again.

When I say there is no such thing as a safe breast implant, I am not
just tossing a dart in the dark.  I have personally examined over
300,000 breast implant documents from manufacturers and the ASPRS.
This has been one of the sickest games ever played on women around the
world.

The manufacturers knew the dangers.  They knew the silicone migrated
through the body in their ape studies in the mid 60's.  They knew it
settled in the vital organs.  They killed the beagles when they began
to get adverse reports.  They paid for the studies the doctors tout as
saying implants are safe.  I have copies of the checks Dow paid for the
Harvard Nurses' Study.  He who pays the piper, calls the tune.

As a public, we believe the FDA is protecting us.  They never saw the
study criteria from the Harvard study, just the results.  When I sent
an FOIA for that study, amongst others, they had nothing of the
criteria and had to print out the study results from the internet.

To see a portion of some of the documents I have OCRd from the actual
evidentiary documents, please visit my web site.
http://yukonmom47.tripod.com/

I wish you well.

Pam Dowd
Implant Veterans of Toxic Exposure
31 year Breast Cancer Survivor
25 1/2  year Breast Cancer Reconstruction Veteran

> You are an alarmist. Sure, all surgeries have some risk, but the
> overwhelming majority of BC patients who choose reconstruction
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> > www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
 
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