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Mary Fisher - 13 May 2006 16:05 GMT
Now that I have a keyboard which doesn't need me to insert all the spaces
after I've typed the whole text I'll relate what has happened.

The background:

from 1998 when my bc was diagnosed and I had a lumpectomy and radiation I
also had five years of an unknown drug as part of the ATAC research - it was
either Arimidex or Tamoxifen. Part of the sub-protocol of the programme was
regular measurement of my endometrial thickness by hysteroscopy and ultra
sound. I had no apparent side-effects. I'm still being examined every six
months by my surgeon and my medical oncologist.

At Christmas I started bleeding, I've had episodes before but not as bad or
as long as this one and I was concerned because there were shreds of solid
tissue in the effusion. I contacted the research nurse and was examined by
the medical oncologist who said that I needed to be followed up.

An hysteroscopy was attempted but the nurse couldn't get the camera into my
uterus, it was bunged up, so I had to have another under a general
anaesthetic. The surgeon said that there was an unusual thickening of my
endometrium, he scraped it all out and sent it to the histology lab for a
biopsy.

Two or three weeks later I was seen by his boss, the consultant himself, who
explained that I had disordered proliferation of my endometrium which was
unusual at my age, he couldn't make head or tail of the results but that
there was no indication of cancer or pre-cancerous cells. He made an
appointment for me to see his boss who is involved in the ATAC (and other
cancer) research.

On Tuesday I saw his boss who didn't understand why a lady (!) of my age
should have that condition either because it was linked with an excess of
oestrogen (which I've always had but it should have reduced at menopause, 17
years ago). He thought that I must have been taking Arimidex during the
trial and that when it was stopped the oestrogen began to be over-abundant
again. To prevent the proliferation and bleeding it would be advisable to do
something about it. He agreed, smilingly, that oestrogen did have some
advantages but I really don't like the possible  bleeding episodes and
certainly not the chronic, if minor, pain.

We discussed alternative treatments:

a) to put me on Arimidex again to subdue the production of oestrogen

b) to dose me with progesterone to balance the oestrogen - either orally or
by an inserted coil to give a constant, measured dose (I didn't fancy that -
perhaps irrationally)

c) to take the 'blunderbuss' approach - rip it all out. I have no objection
to that but not during the summer when it would compromise our activities.

He discussed it with the medical oncologist and they agreed that I should
try taking a small dose of Arimidex for four months, then be measured to see
if my uterus had stayed normal (for my age!).

So that's how we stand now.

It's interesting because I feel that I can't be the only one who took part
in the trial who has had this condition. If I am my case will in itself be
contributing to the body of knowledge and I'm pleased that the researcher
agrees and is happy to continue to monitor my progress.

Mary
María - 13 May 2006 22:30 GMT
> Now that I have a keyboard which doesn't need me to insert all the spaces
> after I've typed the whole text I'll relate what has happened.
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>
> Mary

Yay, Mary, hang on in there!

Old bc really screws up the natural biological clock, doesn't it? Here's me,
all of 42 in a temporary menopause due to Zoladex and there's you, with what
should be a much younger women's disease.

God is definitely male.

María
Mary Fisher - 14 May 2006 10:08 GMT
> Yay, Mary, hang on in there!
>
> Old bc really screws up the natural biological clock, doesn't it? Here's
> me, all of 42 in a temporary menopause due to Zoladex and there's you,
> with what should be a much younger women's disease.

Well, I wouldn't call it a disease and an excess of oestrogen does have its
advantages, as I said <G>

> God is definitely male.

If it were it wouldn't allow prostate cancer ...

Mary

> María
allan grossman - 14 May 2006 15:06 GMT
>Well, I wouldn't call it a disease and an excess of oestrogen does have its
>advantages, as I said <G>

Actually, it's an excess of *testosterone* which has advantages - at
least from the male (and most likely female) perspective  ;-)

Glad to have you back, Mary.  Hasn't been the same without you.

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we don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.
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Mary Fisher - 14 May 2006 16:14 GMT
>>Well, I wouldn't call it a disease and an excess of oestrogen does have
>>its
>>advantages, as I said <G>
>
> Actually, it's an excess of *testosterone* which has advantages - at
> least from the male (and most likely female) perspective  ;-)

Believe me, Allan, I like having what I have :-)

> Glad to have you back, Mary.  Hasn't been the same without you.

Well, I haven't really been away, just nothing to contribute which was worth
fighting a keyboard on which the space bar didn't work. Sounds trivial - but
you try having to insert every space between words after you've typed
something. It would generate testosterone which I didn't need in that
context.

Mary
lisa - 16 May 2006 15:19 GMT
First off, waving a hand at Mary, Hi!  Good to see you again.  You and
I are both semi-lurkers now.  I kinda like it that way...less
responsibility.  Sorry to hear that you're having to go through all
this but, as usual, that stiff upper lip is putting you in good stead.

Maria, I too had the same thing happen, only it wasn't temporary
menopause.  At 43, when I was diagnosed, I spun whole hog into
menopause and haven't looked back.  If it weren't for the darn hot
flashes and night sweats, I'd like it - and it's been almost 10 years
now!

Take care.
...lisa
Mary Fisher - 16 May 2006 17:26 GMT
> First off, waving a hand at Mary, Hi!  Good to see you again.  You and
> I are both semi-lurkers now.  I kinda like it that way...less
> responsibility.

Hmm. I'm not renowned for my responsibility ...

>  Sorry to hear that you're having to go through all
> this but, as usual, that stiff upper lip is putting you in good stead.

A stiff upper lip, me? No such thing. It trembles with amusement at the
whole thing :-)

AND! Get this girls - I'm officially not fat. The God said so.

I'm a little overweight but definitely not fat.

So nyer nyer - you can be 12 stones (168 lbs) at 5' 3" and clinically obese
but not fat <BG>

Mary

> Take care.
> ...lisa
alex - 14 May 2006 04:10 GMT
Mary,

There doesn't seem to be any easy answers. Sounds like you are electing a
logical course.  Alex
Mary Fisher - 14 May 2006 10:09 GMT
> Mary,
>
> There doesn't seem to be any easy answers. Sounds like you are electing a
> logical course.  Alex

I'm not worried about it, I found it interesting though :-) And worth
reporting here.

Mary
A. P. Thorsen - 15 May 2006 20:45 GMT
> Now that I have a keyboard which doesn't need me to insert all the spaces
> after I've typed the whole text I'll relate what has happened.

If I'd realized that was the reason you weren't posting (I know, you
probably told us . . . sigh), I would've sent you a new keyboard long
ago.  You've Been Missed.

> At Christmas I started bleeding, I've had episodes before but not as bad or
> as long as this one and I was concerned because there were shreds of solid
> tissue in the effusion.

No fun.

> An hysteroscopy was attempted but the nurse couldn't get the camera into my
> uterus, it was bunged up, so I had to have another under a general
> anaesthetic.

Less fun, even.

> Two or three weeks later I was seen by his boss, the consultant himself, who
> explained that I had disordered proliferation of my endometrium which was
> unusual at my age, he couldn't make head or tail of the results but that
> there was no indication of cancer or pre-cancerous cells. He made an
> appointment for me to see his boss who is involved in the ATAC (and other
> cancer) research.

When they get confused, and admit it, I'm never sure whether to
appreciate their honesty or bemoan their ignorance.  But this doesn't
sound too bad, considering.  Coulda been worse, anyway.

> He discussed it with the medical oncologist and they agreed that I should
> try taking a small dose of Arimidex for four months, then be measured to see
> if my uterus had stayed normal (for my age!).

Worth a shot.  I haven't had much in the way of side effects from it -
nothing, maybe.

I don't get this "small dose" idea -- didn't realize it came in doses .
. . whatizzit, a child's portion? (<G> inserted for sick-humor impaired
members of the audience).

> So that's how we stand now.
>
> It's interesting because I feel that I can't be the only one who took part
> in the trial who has had this condition. If I am my case will in itself be
> contributing to the body of knowledge and I'm pleased that the researcher
> agrees and is happy to continue to monitor my progress.

All very high-road of you, Mary . . . personally, I hate being in a
position to "contribute to the body of knowledge"!  Once in position,
might as well do it, though . . . .

> Mary

Ah, she's back!  Yay!

Ann T.
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Mary Fisher - 15 May 2006 21:17 GMT
>> Now that I have a keyboard which doesn't need me to insert all the spaces
>> after I've typed the whole text I'll relate what has happened.
>
> If I'd realized that was the reason you weren't posting (I know, you
> probably told us . . . sigh), I would've sent you a new keyboard long ago.
> You've Been Missed.

LOL! They're only tuppence from down the road! I'm just a tight Tyke. As it
was, someone up the road gave me this one which I don't like for some reason
but it WORKS! I love technology when it works, when it doesn't ...
GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>> Two or three weeks later I was seen by his boss, the consultant himself,
>> who explained that I had disordered proliferation of my endometrium which
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> When they get confused, and admit it, I'm never sure whether to appreciate
> their honesty or bemoan their ignorance.

I always appreciate honesty. Nobody knows everything and someone who's big
enough to admit that earns my respect. Those who do claim to know
everything, especially on Usenet, gain little respect. I'm an 'ard woman.

But you knew that.

>> He discussed it with the medical oncologist and they agreed that I should
>> try taking a small dose of Arimidex for four months, then be measured to
>> see if my uterus had stayed normal (for my age!).
>
> Worth a shot.  I haven't had much in the way of side effects from it -
> nothing, maybe.

Same here.

> I don't get this "small dose" idea -- didn't realize it came in doses . .
> . whatizzit, a child's portion? (<G> inserted for sick-humor impaired
> members of the audience).

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

No, it's actually a Pensioner's Portion :-(

I've no idea what a normal portion - sorry, dose - is but I'm going to be
taking a whole 1 mg daily.

>> It's interesting because I feel that I can't be the only one who took
>> part in the trial who has had this condition. If I am my case will in
>> itself be contributing to the body of knowledge and I'm pleased that the
>> researcher agrees and is happy to continue to monitor my progress.
>
> All very high-road of you, Mary . . .

Oh no, that's not me!

> personally, I hate being in a position to "contribute to the body of
> knowledge"!  Once in position, might as well do it, though . . . .

Well, quite.

We've all done it/do it/ shall do it even if we're not interesting and
whether we know it or not. We become A Statistic.

I might be something of an unusual statistic, that's all. Not lost among the
millions of others. Who knows, I might even become A Condition, or A
Syndrome.

<pride>

> Ah, she's back!  Yay!

Oh ...

<blush>

That's nice :-)

Love to all and bows to applause and tries to catch all bouquets and simpers
at wolf whistles but sneaks off before having to do an encore ...

Mary
Tim Jackson - 15 May 2006 21:43 GMT
>>>He discussed it with the medical oncologist and they agreed that I should
>>>try taking a small dose of Arimidex for four months, then be measured to
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> I've no idea what a normal portion - sorry, dose - is but I'm going to be
> taking a whole 1 mg daily.

Standard dosage is 1mg daily.  AstraZeneca don't list any other dosage
options.

>>>If I am my case will in
>>>itself be contributing to the body of knowledge and I'm pleased that the
>>>researcher agrees and is happy to continue to monitor my progress.
>>
>>personally, I hate being in a position to "contribute to the body of
>>knowledge"!  Once in position, might as well do it, though . . . .

Sounds like "May you live in interesting times.".

Tim
 
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