http://www.abreastinthewest.ca/medical2.cfm?Num=43
Play the Odds: Supplements and Chemo Summer 2003 Vol.4 No.
Robin OBrien BSc, BScPharm, PharmD, BCOP
Drug Information Specialist, BC Cancer Agency
Last December, a woman called to say thank you for suggesting she avoid
using supplements during her chemo. News that taking supplements could
counteract the benefit of breast cancer treatments was all over the front
page of the Vancouver Sun that morning. A few months before, she was
shopping for opinions after being urged to take a tote bag full of various
supplement pills along with her chemo. Now, she was finished treatment.
Supplement free.
I had to ask myself what made me so cautious about combining supplements
with chemo before there was a study to say one way or the other. What did
I know about chemo that gave me so much respect for the power of herbs and
supplements?
Chemo is like walking a tightrope. Its a fine balance where too high a
dose is too toxic and too low a dose doesnt work properly, so cancer
cells can escape. As well, while some cancers are exquisitely sensitive to
the effects of chemo and some are completely resistant, most are probably
in between and could be pushed in one direction or the other. Who knows
what herbs and supplements could do to this balance.
Most herbs havent even been tested with the notable exception of St.
Johns Wort. This popular herb is clinically proven to be helpful, and as
good as some prescription drugs, for mild to moderate depression, a common
problem for cancer patients. A cancer care team in Europe noticed that
people taking St. Johns Wort had fewer side effects than usual while
having chemo with a drug called irinotecan. No wonder - there was a drug
interaction. Chemo blood levels had dropped by half and it didnt work
properly anymore. But thats not all that St. Johns Wort can do.
St. Johns Wort can cause cells to sprout little drug pumps called PGP.
This is a worry because PGP can cause multi-drug resistance to chemo. As
fast as the chemo is transported into the cancer cell, PGP pumps it out
again. This is all part of the bodys natural protection against poisons,
which is especially important for plant-eating creatures like us. But the
net result can be resistance to chemo.
There is a lot of uncertainty about what happens when herbs and
supplements are combined with chemo. This makes the decision difficult.
Some women prefer to avoid herbs and supplements because they feel that
they have too much to lose or, if they are going to have chemo, they want
to be sure that they are getting the full benefit. Others, like those
whove already had a recurrence, may feel that they have little to lose.
<read the rest of that article there and other more recent articles there>
Bea - - 13 Aug 2005 21:38 GMT
Thanks for sharing the article. But if this is so important, why didn't
"any" of the people involved in my bc care inform me of this. They did
not bother to ask anything about what I was or was not using as far as I
remember. Come to think of it, they all acted like they could care less
and I was just the next cow to get milked (if you get my gist). No one
bothered to include me in anything. I, unfortunately, do not have a
partner that takes an interest in these things so they could have fed me
dog dung through my veins and we would have been none the wiser.
Unfortunately, not all women who get bc have the wisdom to understand
the seriousness of it and that they need to be educated "before" they
travel down this dangerous road. I was off the road before I even found
this group and knew I should be asking questions about my care. Oh
well, only the future will tell whether my stupidity will cost me my
life. Every woman needs to have a clone of an Allan, Tim, or Tony when
she gets diagnosed so someone will be there to ask questions she may not
know to ask or care enough to ask them. My education came from this
group only and I do hope it wasn't too late!
Bea
Kathleen Langwell - 14 Aug 2005 21:42 GMT
Bea,
When I had neoadjuvant chemo in early 2001, I didn't know about the "no
vitamins with chemo" theory, but I did ask the onc I had at the time
whether I could continue with the multi/vit and supplements I took and
he said I could continue taking whatever I wanted. He never asked me
what I took, but gave full permission. It wasn't until I found out on
forums that everyone else had been told not to take anything--especially
any antioxidants. I felt angry that either the onc didn't know (?), or
that it was easier to say OK than to take a few minutes to explain why
not.
I was still in denial at that time about how serious things were so I
didn't research everything like I do now. Now that I'm stage IV with
extensive bone mets I'm researching everything.
Kathie
nmcmu6937@yahoo.com - 16 Aug 2005 01:31 GMT
The first time through chemo, I was advised not to take any
antioxidants during the treatments. I had 4 treatments and they did
nothing one way or the other to the cancer. After a radical
mastectomy, and 28 rad tx with a breakthough in that, this time I am
taking the supplements with the chemo. I don't know that my odds are
any worse or better one way or the other. I guess I will find out.