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S. AFRICA:  Breasts get US worked up

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Ilena Rose - 02 Jul 2005 15:24 GMT
Millicent Merton

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1730224,00.html

Cape Town - Women with silicone breast prostheses are advised to carry
a doctor's letter with them if they want to escape inspection by
American customs and security officials.

The Netcare travel clinics have issued a warning to women who have had
a mastectomy and who use external silicone prostheses as they are
targeted as a potential terrorist threat by American security
officers.

Dr Andrew Jamieson, director of Netcare travel clinics, said since the
terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001 reports have been received from
time to time of people with prostheses who experience problems at
airports, especially as a result of increased security measures.

According a travel clinic official in America one of his patients, who
had undergone a mastectomy, was held for more than four hours by
security personnel at Amsterdam's Schipol airport who searched
passengers destined for a flight to the United States.

The security officers were concerned that her silicone prosthesis
could possibly have been used to hide explosives.

She was allowed to proceed after the prosthesis had been surrendered
to them for proper investigation.

Travel clinic operators in die US recommend that women with external
prostheses should acquire a letter from a doctor.

The contact information of the doctor should be on the letter, should
it be necessary to confirm the information.

Jamieson said many travellers to the US with prostheses of any
description have been targeted in the past.

This varies from people with metal joints, artificial limbs and people
wearing orthopaedic shoes.

"Travellers are recommended to take an official letter with them when
they visit the US.

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www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
"They may not need it, but it may also be of great value to obviate
long and disconcerting delays," Jamieson said.
Mary Fisher - 02 Jul 2005 15:43 GMT
> Millicent Merton
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> a doctor's letter with them if they want to escape inspection by
> American customs and security officials.

A doctor's letter wouldn't prove that the prosthesis someone was wearing was
the original!

Mary
Coleah - 02 Jul 2005 16:13 GMT
>> Millicent Merton
>>
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>
> Mary
====================

> She was allowed to proceed after the prosthesis had been surrendered
> to them for proper investigation.

A doctor's letter might speak to the issue of a patient having had
a mastectomy, but 'falsies' can be purchased anywhere and are not
'registered'.

I suppose a female suicide bomber could be wearing a falsie made
of C-4 http://www.ribbands.co.uk/prdpages/C4.htm

What a world we have created for ourselves to live in !!
What's Next?  Cavity searches on kids flying to visit Grandma?
Mary Fisher - 02 Jul 2005 17:53 GMT
>>> Millicent Merton
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> a mastectomy, but 'falsies' can be purchased anywhere and are not
> 'registered'.

No. And a genuine mastectomy case might use them for smuggling, with or
without a letter.

Also, a determined terrorist would have no problem forging a letter, I doubt
that customs are going to bother telephoning to verify that sort of thing.

> I suppose a female suicide bomber could be wearing a falsie made
> of C-4 http://www.ribbands.co.uk/prdpages/C4.htm
>
> What a world we have created for ourselves to live in !!
> What's Next?  Cavity searches on kids flying to visit Grandma?

Quite.

In a way I'm quite pleased that I shan't be around in thirty years (probably
much less but thirty is almost 100% likely!). There are too many
technological 'advances' I'm not happy about as well as idealogical power
issues.

Mary
pamgd1977@yahoo.com - 02 Jul 2005 23:04 GMT
There is nothing in the breast prostheses to set off the alarms at the
airports. I have traveled with different styles for 30 years, through
major airports in the US, and have never been questioned about my
breasts and never patted down.  Unless they are looking for contraband
and have a reason to pull someone aside, they wouldn't be doing a pat
down.

The screeners use the wand to go over a person who sets off an alarm.
Because the floors of the airports are full of rebar, to check your
feet, they are supposed to instruct you to lift your feet.  However,
this need was eliminated in major US airports with the requirement that
everyone remove their shoes before going through security.  They don't
even question my daughter's insulin needles or ask for a doctor's
letter.  Carrol carried a card to identify himself as having stents.  I
don't think he ever had to show it.

I have a more difficult time getting through the security at the local
courthouse...and it isn't my prostheses setting off the alarm on the
scanners.  It was metal ribbing in my purse.

> >> Millicent Merton
> >>
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> What a world we have created for ourselves to live in !!
> What's Next?  Cavity searches on kids flying to visit Grandma?
Coleah - 02 Jul 2005 15:45 GMT
I've gone through U.S. airports wearing my 'falsies' and
it never set off any alarms.  Nor was I asked about them or
were they detected via a 'pat' search at airport security.

I can see other prostheses with metal used in them
being an issue, but how on earth could security detect
them in Amsterdam?

> Millicent Merton
>
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> "They may not need it, but it may also be of great value to obviate
> long and disconcerting delays," Jamieson said.
marilyn@utrillo.ac - 02 Jul 2005 18:09 GMT
>I've gone through U.S. airports wearing my 'falsies' and
>it never set off any alarms.  Nor was I asked about them or
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>being an issue, but how on earth could security detect
>them in Amsterdam?

A month or so ago the  US Customs office closest to me, on the Maine,
New Brunswick border, let a man go through who has just murdered two
New Brunswickers, which the agents had no way of knowing at the time.

The man had a blue Mohawk haircut, was wearing a bloodstained shirt,
and was carrying a bloody chainsaw, a knife, a sword, brass knuckles
and pepper spray. He told the agents he was a special Marine who
worked for the CIA and had killed 700 people under orders.  They let
him through because they had "no reason" to detain him.

At the same time, they refused entry to a Canadian who was with a
group of friends entering for a vacation. The Canadian had a 30 year
old conviction for the possession of a small amount of pot.

Glad they have their priorities straight.

Marilyn
J - 02 Jul 2005 19:54 GMT
> A month or so ago the  US Customs office closest to me, on the Maine,
> New Brunswick border, let a man go through who has just murdered two
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> worked for the CIA and had killed 700 people under orders.  They let
> him through because they had "no reason" to detain him.

Hi  Marilyn,
Too bad you didn't crosspost your reply back to the other newsgroup or
maybe that's for the better.
Coleah happened to be in the marines and that would have caused a ruckus
between posters on the other newsgroup. :p
Anyhow, I'm appalled at this story. I don't always get the news because I
live in the sticks.
I can explain it, but don't like it.
They can't discriminate based on looks (see photo - or if he had blood on
his shirt or what might have been blood on his chainsaw).

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=000369
(gad...it says there that the customs officers were playing with the
swords, thereby destroying evidence..sheesh!)
On April 25, a day before the bodies were discovered, Despres arrived at
the U.S.-Canadian border at Calais, Maine, carrying a homemade sword, a
hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chainsaw stained with what appeared
to be blood.

Although U.S. customs agents confiscated the weapons and fingerprinted
Despres, the border guards decided that he should be allowed to enter the
country." (see his picture)

I suppose they don't have testing at the border to determine if it's blood
(human or animal .

http://frankwarner.typepad.com/free_frank_warner/2005/06/chainsaws_acros.html

Despres is both Canadian and a naturalized U.S. citizen.

I suppose they (think they) solved the problem by confiscating his
weapons.

I sure wish they'd let him through with his weapons, then chased after and
cornered him somewhere and shot him on sight, because you and I know where
this is going. Languishing for years in a US prison (Boston, actually),
awaiting extradition and appeals.  Huge costs (Gov't paid lawyers, appeals
etc...), once back, all paid by the taxpayers for someone we already know
is guilty of a horrible massacre.

J
marilyn@utrillo.ac - 02 Jul 2005 21:46 GMT
>I suppose they don't have testing at the border to determine if it's blood
>(human or animal .

St Stephen and Calais (pronounced Callus) on either side of the border
are tiny, but apparently if someone is a US citizen they have to let
him in no matter what. Even if they get caught saying they are a
Marine when they aren't.  Always supposing he doesn't have an Arabic
name. <g>

I heard another story recently which is NOTcomfirmed that a teenaged
brother and sister with dual citizenship were detained at the US
border because the brother was suspected of kidnapping the sister.
They were on the way to visit their father who had custody. The reason
the agents didn't believe them?  "Fathers don't get custody".

Marilyn

>http://frankwarner.typepad.com/free_frank_warner/2005/06/chainsaws_acros.html
>
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>
>J
Mary Fisher - 02 Jul 2005 21:57 GMT
> I heard another story recently which is NOTcomfirmed that a teenaged
> brother and sister with dual citizenship were detained at the US
> border because the brother was suspected of kidnapping the sister.
> They were on the way to visit their father who had custody. The reason
> the agents didn't believe them?  "Fathers don't get custody".

> Marilyn

Is that true? That fathers don't get custody?

Mary
marilyn@utrillo.ac - 02 Jul 2005 22:24 GMT
>> I heard another story recently which is NOTcomfirmed that a teenaged
>> brother and sister with dual citizenship were detained at the US
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>
>Mary

Only in the minds of custom agents. Although I believe generally women
get custody more often than men.
Mary Fisher - 02 Jul 2005 22:32 GMT
>>> I heard another story recently which is NOTcomfirmed that a teenaged
>>> brother and sister with dual citizenship were detained at the US
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Only in the minds of custom agents. Although I believe generally women
> get custody more often than men.

Well yes, I suppose more women than men apply for it. But to say it doesn't
happen displays a lack of knowledge about one's country.

Thanks for replying,

Mary
 
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