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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Breast Cancer / July 2005Where are Bios for this Group?
Can someone post the link to the Bios which gives personal info about people in this group? I went to the FAQ but cannot find it listed in there. Was it deleted? Thanks for your help. Bea > Can someone post the link to the Bios which gives personal info about > people in this group? I went to the FAQ but cannot find it listed in > there. Was it deleted? Thanks for your help. Do you mean www.cancersupporters.com ? Mary > Bea >Do you mean www.cancersupporters.com >Mary Yes! Thank you, Mary. Is that a different group or another name for our group? Whatever, it was what I was looking for and now I have it saved. I appreciate your help. Bea Hi Bea, I believe that Tim is the care-taker for the website. He lives in the UK with his daughter. Where he lives, they cook with gas (or petrol or some such), because that's what's underground there. And he prefers to steam some food because it's healthier. While I find that interesting, some people may prefer to socialize, joke & flirt a bit. I think Tim can do both. :) Susan, Su_Texas my opinions >Hi Bea, >I believe that Tim is the care-taker for the > website. Thanks Su for the info on Tim. I thought he was the care-taker for the website but could not find it under the alt.support.cancer.breast. I did find it with the one Mary posted. Tim is very lucky to live in the UK, in my opinion. I just love England, especially London and adore the English people. Tim certainly is a great example of how caring and generous many of the English people are with themselves and their knowledge. Then again, many Americans have the same attributes. It's important that we support and help each other no matter where we live. Bea ... > Tim is very lucky to live in > the UK, in my opinion. I just love England, especially London and adore > the English people. Time and I live a long way (in UK terms) from London. The north is very different from the south, so are the people - I believe. But not all English people are adorable! I've loved most of the American people I've met (both here and there) but there have been some who I wouldn't want to meet again. I think it's probably the same all over the world. Then of course there are the Welsh, Scots and Irish, to say nothing of the Manx, Cornish and of course Tykes - many of whom think of ourselves as Yorkshire rather than English :-) Su said: Where he lives, they cook with gas (or petrol or some such), because that's what's underground there. And he prefers to steam some food because it's healthier. Some of us cook with natural gas but not because it's under our ground! These days it's piped from under the North Ssea, mostly. In the past our gas was made from coal, which is underground of course. There's very little coal mined now and it's mostly used in power stations for making electricity. Some of us cook with electricity. I have a dual fuel cooker, the hob uses gas, the ovens electricity. Some people cook with solid fuel - coal (rarely), coke, wood and some with oil-fired cookers. Petrol is rarely used for domestic cooking, it can be used in small camping stoves and is very efficient. Where there is no gas supply to a dwelling and electricity isn't wanted people can use butane or propane, which comes in cylinders. That's also used when camping. We have a huge range of fuels for cooking, especially since electricity arrived in the north ;-) As for steaming food, many of us steam as well as boil, fry, grill and roast, it depends on the dish we're making and our personal preferences. Steaming food certainly is healthier than frying it but if you want chips (I don't make them) you can't steam them. You get a completely different result when you steam food. Sometimes I steam on the hob over a pan of water, if I'm doing a lot of vegetables for more than two of us I use the electric steamer. I don't have a microwave from choice. > Tim certainly is a great example of how caring and generous many of the > English people are with themselves and their knowledge. Then again, > many Americans have the same attributes. It's important that we support > and help each other no matter where we live. Quite right. And I believe that Tim has more knowledge than the majority of the others on this group put together. We're very fortunate to have him, he's inspired me both on the ng and in person and I hope he sticks around for future subscribers. Natasha is also a delightful girl :-) Mary > Bea Su said: Where he lives, they cook with gas (or petrol or some such), because that's what's underground there. And he prefers to steam some food because it's healthier. Some of us cook with natural gas but not because it's under our ground! These days it's piped from under the North Ssea, mostly. In the past our gas was made from coal, which is underground of course. There's very little coal mined now and it's mostly used in power stations for making electricity. Some of us cook with electricity. I have a dual fuel cooker, the hob uses gas, the ovens electricity. Some people cook with solid fuel - coal (rarely), coke, wood and some with oil-fired cookers. Petrol is rarely used for domestic cooking, it can be used in small camping stoves and is very efficient. Where there is no gas supply to a dwelling and electricity isn't wanted people can use butane or propane, which comes in cylinders. That's also used when camping. We have a huge range of fuels for cooking, especially since electricity arrived in the north ;-) As for steaming food, many of us steam as well as boil, fry, grill and roast, it depends on the dish we're making and our personal preferences. Steaming food certainly is healthier than frying it but if you want chips (I don't make them) you can't steam them. You get a completely different result when you steam food. Sometimes I steam on the hob over a pan of water, if I'm doing a lot of vegetables for more than two of us I use the electric steamer. I don't have a microwave from choice. ===================================== Very interesting. I like to read about the use of different products for energy, for heat in cooking, about gas-electric diesel-electric & electric cars, solar wind & water power, & such. When I set up my own home, I'd like it to be the most energy-efficient & cost-effective possible. I keep reading about & planning for that. ---------------- I'd also like to design (& hire others to help build) low-cost, energy-efficient, portable housing for people to use, ...... in the measurements of about 8 by 27 feet I believe, which could be easily & legally (when labeled as a mobile home or travel trailer) moved down the highway to other locations. There is a major shortage of housing in this area. And the rent prices are so gouging, that it keeps people from getting ahead financially. The prices in nearby larger cities, are even higher. -------------------- Every time I get totally discouraged with this area, & consider moving on (in future when I can), ...... someone will inspire me to stay, & focus my future plans here. There are some nice police officers I know, who care about this area & want the best for it, for things & conditions to improve, ..... the same kind of projects I like to plan for: housing, food & clothing for people in need, transportation, & such. Also, there are govt grants & things for projects such as these. After I get some court settlements (damages), ..... I should have a large enough nest-egg, to be able to apply for these grants, take on projects, & have my own cash as back-up to cover any problems. And there are some other nice people here. However, most nice and/or intellectual/thinking people here, seem focused mostly on moving away, because things are so bad. As soon as the current DA & judges are investigated, arrested & removed, .... then hopefully we can get some law & order here, get the criminals under control, & help make this a good place to live. --------------- As for food prep, steaming food is supposed to keep the heat lower, & not cause the food chemistry to change in negative ways. It's supposed to be healthier than most other ways of cooking. ----------------- There's a cheaper way to cook food, by heating it, then putting the pan/pot in insulation, called "flameless cooking", "fireless cooking", or some such. [Annie at frugal-living wrote about this, & has a website.] There are also certain pans, which you can heat up then remove from heat, & the food will finish cooking on its own, probably due to insulation & sealage. "The Mommies" used to advertise one version of this on TV. There's also Thermos cooking for emergencies or whatever, which is usually written about at survival sites. And there's solar cooking, which I haven't tried yet. I find reading about this stuff fascinating, fun. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions > --------------- > > As for food prep, steaming food is supposed to keep the heat lower, Lower than what? It's the same heat as boiling water but some of the constituents aren't leached out. > & > not cause the food chemistry to change in negative ways. It's supposed > to be healthier than most other ways of cooking. It's only 'healthier' in that it doesn't use fat. As soon as you serve the steamed food with sauces, cream, butter, oil etc. the benefits are negated. A great benefit of steaming is that you can cook several food at once, in the same steamer , thus saving fuel. > There's a cheaper way to cook food, by heating it, then putting the > pan/pot in insulation, called "flameless cooking", "fireless cooking", > or some such. [Annie at frugal-living wrote about this, & has a > website.] We call it haybox cooking, it's an ancient method. Saving fuel of ALL kinds is very important these days, with global warming threatening Earth's future. It's not a matter of saving money, you can do that by not cooking at all. > There are also certain pans, which you can heat up then remove from > heat, & the food will finish cooking on its own, probably due to > insulation & sealage. "The Mommies" used to advertise one version of > this on TV. Food in my black (inside and outside) cooks faster than stainless steel or other pans, I've noticed. > There's also Thermos cooking for emergencies or whatever, which is > usually written about at survival sites. That's the same principle as the haybox one. > And there's solar cooking, which I haven't tried yet. You're in Texas, in UK we don't get enough sun most of the time. When we do we tend to eat cold food, preferring not to cook.. Often, when it's warm, we cook outside on the barbecue (charcoal or gas fired). We (the Fishers) are in the process of building an outdoor bread oven which will be wood fired. > I find reading about this stuff fascinating, fun. Good. It's positive, not negative. Happy, not angry. Do more of it. Mary Su_Texas wrote: I find reading about this stuff fascinating, fun. Good. It's positive, not negative. Happy, not angry. Do more of it. Mary ======================================== While I write about different subjects in different newsgroups, ...... I'm the same always, Mary. I'm in an overwhelmingly bad & impossible abuse situation, ..... but am ever-hopeful of surviving it, getting the govt & legal systems to work, & of making some positive changes here. --------------- As for the negative, ..... I've been amazed at how many bad people there are in the world, so full of hate & harm, ..... who get-off on harming others, or hearing of such harm, ..... such as the mariestrack creature here. And that other people not only put up with this (no outrage at such bad behavior & mindset), ..... but seem to accept it as the norm, common, what's done. ??? The herd/group mentality. However, confronting something like her, does no good, so perhaps most would rather not bother. And after the first few posts, where she revealed her character & mindset, she's ignorable. If you want to confront someone, then why not confront her? Susan, Su_Texas my opinions > Good. It's positive, not negative. Happy, not angry. > Do more of it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > While I write about different subjects in different newsgroups, ...... No, you don't, Susan. > I'm the same always, Mary. Yes, you are, Susan. > I'm in an overwhelmingly bad & impossible abuse situation, ..... but am > ever-hopeful of surviving it, getting the govt & legal systems to work, > & of making some positive changes here. <sigh> We've all heard about all that ad nauseam over years. While there has been a lot of sympathy shown towards you and many people have been patient we're all fed up with the fruitless repetition of your story. Telling it over and over does no good to you or to us, it makes some of us even wonder if you're exaggerating. Please don't react to that statement, I know you'll say that you're not exaggerating but sometimes it seems like that. Your story does no good at all to anyone. It doesn't help newcomers on this or any other group. I don't even think it does any good to you, you've gained yourself a very bad reputation - one which is even mocked - because of your constant repetition of experiences which sometimes seem unreal to the rest of us. Most of us will have had some bad experiences but we don't harp on about them, it does no good at all. We tell them once and ask if anyone can suggest a recourse, that's what a support group is for - to give support. No-one can support you (they've tried) because you refute everything which is said. > --------------- > > As for the negative, ..... I've been amazed at how many bad people there > are in the world, so full of hate & harm, ..... who get-off on harming > others, or hearing of such harm, ..... such as the mariestrack creature > here. I must admit that I haven't seen any of that in her posts - she even said that she would pray for you. > And that other people not only put up with this (no outrage at such bad > behavior & mindset), ..... but seem to accept it as the norm, common, > what's done. ??? The herd/group mentality. No, Susan, you're wrong. You see bad behaviour where none is intended. You called me a troll, I am not. You were incredibly rude to Allan who is one of the kindest, nicest and most helpful people on this group - and who has had and still has great suffering to contend with. You have done similar things to other people. I know that I'm putting my head on the block for saying such things but I feel that I have to say my piece because I started this crusade. I thought - I hoped - that you were beginning to be more human, like the rest of us (in various degrees), but you can't seem to be able to resist typing your invective which we've all heard many, many times before. What do we have to do to get you to understand that anger is destructive, that you won't have any good results by being angry about anything on newsgroups, and especially by being angry with individuals. If you don't like someone ignore them. Silence is the greatest put-down. If you want to be loved you must be loving. It can happen - it only takes the small step of being good humoured and not telling your story and protesting about authority. It hasn't worked so far, it will never work on newsgroups. You'll turn off more and more people. > However, confronting something like her, does no good, so perhaps most > would rather not bother. That's a start! > And after the first few posts, where she revealed her character & > mindset, she's ignorable. Do it then. Ignore her. > If you want to confront someone, then why not confront her? I don't WANT to confront anyone. I enjoyed the brief experience of sharing good things with you and would like it to continue. Would you like some popcorn? Mary Mary wrote...(snipped for brevity) > Most of us will have had some bad experiences but we don't harp on about > them, it does no good at all. We tell them once and ask if anyone can > suggest a recourse, that's what a support group is for - to give support. > No-one can support you (they've tried) because you refute everything which > is said. I've been wanting to say the same thing, yet couldn't find the words without it coming across as "ranty". You did so beautifully. > I must admit that I haven't seen any of that in her posts - she even said > that she would pray for you. Thank you. I will continue to do so. I think I'm a "creature" in her eyes because I don't shy away from the truth and have chastised her on the real issue of misinformation that she posts and the potential harm I see that it can cause. I'm probably also a "creature" because I feel compassion for her family. > No, Susan, you're wrong. You see bad behaviour where none is intended. You > called me a troll, I am not. You were incredibly rude to Allan who is one of > the kindest, nicest and most helpful people on this group - and who has had > and still has great suffering to contend with. You have done similar things > to other people. Ditto. The sad thing is she won't acknowledge this to herself. If she ever can she will find herself to be on the path to healing and lead a happier life. Marie SU said: > There are some nice police officers I know, who care about this area & > want the best for it, for things & conditions to improve, ..... the same > kind of projects I like to plan for: housing, food & clothing for > people in need, transportation, & such. Where I live the police chief and some officers have been indicted. The town is split since some feel the town is being run by the police. Under investigation is a pattern of false arrests and harassment by the police. So you may feel you don't have good doctors but you have good police, I guess you can't have it all. Su , you have certainly liven the board up! Alex Hi Alex, I just got home & am tired. Had to go to WalMart for dog feed. Must recover some, then get up & feed the dogs & puppies, & do misc. stuff for them, including tape a window pane which Finnie broke. This will probably take all day & into the night, as usual. I can barely breathe & walk, but am doing a bit better. Today it's raining & storming, lightning & thunder. Tree branches down. Some flooding. --------------- Here the police chief is very bad, is firmly "in bed" with the corrupt DA, & acts stupid & arrogant beyond belief. He attends my Mom's church, is her fellow KKKChristian, & Mom brags that with him in charge, she can get away with any crime in this town, & she does. It's sickening! In each dept, there are good & bad people. The danger is in those who have the most power, those who are in control & call the shots. When on duty, the others have to follow. And the bad DA seems to be at the top of the heap, & amazingly, to lord it over the judges here too. ??? He's a dangerous, sadistic little jerk. There are some good doctors, however, each has very limited skills, .... & they're trying to operate a business & survive in a very corrupt & crime-ridden community & state, under tons of govt rules & paperwork, while being harshly gouged by insurance companies, ...... & where they're not supposed to help abuse or crime victims at all, not supposed to offend "the powers that be" (abusers & criminals). ----------------------- As for "livening up the board", that is not my intention, nor do I like being confronted & insulted by trolls (by the determinedly-dumb & dastardly), at a cancer support board. I expect trolls at other boards, not here. I like to discuss things, & trolls don't. They're into personal attacks, bad games, starting or being included in gang-bangs, getting attention & approval, wasting time. I make a list of names, then try to avoid their posts. However, I'm ever-hopeful that some people can learn & do better, so I keep giving them another chance. After a rocky start, some do turn out to be OK. :) But there'll always be misunderstandings, bad days for each of us. I'm reluctant to confront Mary Fisher, because I think she said she had brain problems & surgery, & I figure that accounts for a lot. [Also, at ASCB, one main conflict seems to be between the blind-faith & blind-trust types, ...... & those who'd rather question, read & learn, be as informed as possible.] ------------------------- What the abuse counselor told me, is that most people refuse to deal in truth & reality, they prefer to deal in lies, cons, bad games, & getting-off/high on it, ..... & they will aggressively & persistently go after & clobber anyone who's different. It's basic, primitive human nature, as is the herd/group mentality. Few choose to stop, think, develop. So what's important, is to spend time with the best people you can find, to stay positive & hopeful regardless, to always do your best, ..... & to ignore the trolls, Course, you can clobber them back some, when they attack. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions PS I was just at the grocery store. One of the grocery guys has been looking "down" for a while. Today, he said that this was the worst year of his life, that his mother was dying from cancer, & the cancer was spreading fast. His Mom raised him, so she's the only parent he knows & has. Please send your best wishes and prayers for Dennis. --------------- I also saw another guy I knew, learned he has a pace-maker, & got some tips on a good cardiologist. It's amazing the way we get info, learn things. He was talking to someone else, & said he'd worked as a roofer once. When I asked if the new metal roofing was any good, he said that in a high wind, the asbestos/shingle roof would hold much better, ..... and that he'd seen a lot of the metal roofs, roll up & blow off. Then he said he'd lived in a bldg with a metal roof, & when there was a bad lightning storm, it would somehow affect his pacemaker. After he moved into a house with asbestos roofing, his pacemaker worked OK. > I'm reluctant to confront Mary Fisher, because I think she said she had > brain problems & surgery, & I figure that accounts for a lot. LOL! Mary >> I'm reluctant to confront Mary Fisher, because I think she said she had >> brain problems & surgery, & I figure that accounts for a lot. > >LOL! > >Mary I keep missing the bottom of Su's posts because I keep thinking she has finished, so I'm glad you reposted this. Now I'm giggling like a fool and can't stop. Anonymous >>> I'm reluctant to confront Mary Fisher, because I think she said she had >>> brain problems & surgery, & I figure that accounts for a lot. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > has finished, so I'm glad you reposted this. Now I'm giggling like a > fool and can't stop. er - have you got brain problems too? <VBEG> Mary > Anonymous >er - have you got brain problems too? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Anonymous Just trying to make the list. <g> >>er - have you got brain problems too? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Just trying to make the list. <g> We could start our own ... it could be exclusive ... :-) Mary > Su said: Where he lives, they cook with gas (or petrol or some such), > because [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Some of us cook with electricity. I have a dual fuel cooker, the hob > uses gas, the ovens electricity. I have the same arrangement as Mary. Because all towns in the UK are connected to the gas supply from under the North sea, it is for most people the most economic way of cooking, and also of home heating, in the UK most homes have to be heated about 8 or 9 months of the year. Advocates like the quick response of a gas flame. Opponents find gas hobs harder to clean than electric/ceramic ones. However gas is inconvenient for heating ovens, where response speed is not much of an issue and most people here I think now have fan-assisted electric ovens. > --------------- > > As for food prep, steaming food is supposed to keep the heat lower, & > not cause the food chemistry to change in negative ways. It's supposed > to be healthier than most other ways of cooking. Steaming is supposed to damage the food less than boiling, and I find it tastes better. The main reason I steam vegetables is because it is more tolerant of variation in cooking time, so it is easy to cook several things together. And I'm basically lazy. As a child I was taught to use a pressure cooker, which is very fast but the ultimate in intolerance and for me always ended with potatoes mushy on the outside and hard in the middle. Steaming, the way I do it, in a stainless steel steamer on the gas stove isn't efficient, it could be if the pan were insulated, but in practice it wastes quite a lot of heat because it is a big pan and fairly slow. I do use a microwave too for small quantities, but find that for a family meal it comes down to about the same speed as steaming. > ----------------- > > There's a cheaper way to cook food, by heating it, then putting the > pan/pot in insulation, called "flameless cooking", "fireless cooking", > or some such. [Annie at frugal-living wrote about this, & has a > website.] There was a trend a while ago for electric slow cookers which use a low power element around an insulated crock to achieve the same sort of effect. Very efficient, especially for cooking meat, which works fine at lower temperatures. Vegetables really need the heat to cook, so do not do so well. Tim Hi Tim, I love it when you talk food & cooking. :) Too busy to reply right now. Have to take care of dogs & puppies. The rain & thunder seem to have slacked up for now. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions > I have the same arrangement as Mary. Because all towns in the UK are > connected to the gas supply from under the North sea, it is for most > people the most economic way of cooking, and also of home heating, in the > UK most homes have to be heated about 8 or 9 months of the year. We rarely heat ours between May and September, and not always then. But our house isn't like yours ... and we have the shelter of the Pennines! > Advocates like the quick response of a gas flame. Opponents find gas hobs > harder to clean than electric/ceramic ones. However gas is inconvenient > for heating ovens, where response speed is not much of an issue and most > people here I think now have fan-assisted electric ovens. Yes, I use my oven a lot, especially for breadmaking (until the outdoor stone oven is built, soon) but the gas fired one was never satisfactory. I love the new (2yo) fan assisted one. > Steaming is supposed to damage the food less than boiling, and I find it > tastes better. I can't taste any difference. > The main reason I steam vegetables is because it is more tolerant of > variation in cooking time, so it is easy to cook several things together. > And I'm basically lazy. Yes, but it's still easy to overdo it. But with the electric steamer (very cheap from Morrisons or anywhere) there's a timer. That's invaluable for lazy folk! > As a child I was taught to use a pressure cooker, which is very fast but > the ultimate in intolerance and for me always ended with potatoes mushy on > the outside and hard in the middle. I was never successful with a pc for vegetables. Fine for puddings or stews but so are other tools. > Steaming, the way I do it, in a stainless steel steamer on the gas stove > isn't efficient, it could be if the pan were insulated, but in practice it > wastes quite a lot of heat because it is a big pan and fairly slow. See above about electric steamers. >> There's a cheaper way to cook food, by heating it, then putting the >> pan/pot in insulation, called "flameless cooking", "fireless cooking", [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > lower temperatures. Vegetables really need the heat to cook, so do not do > so well. That's very true. With my 'new' cooker, which is a 90cm one, there's a half size slow oven which is wonderful for all sorts of things - except vegetables. The instructions even advise that it should not be used for veggies. Mary >> Can someone post the link to the Bios which gives personal info about >> people in this group? I went to the FAQ but cannot find it listed in >> there. Was it deleted? Thanks for your help. > > Do you mean www.cancersupporters.com I've just had a look at someof the bios and notice that Ann's site is way out of date! Come on, Ann, do something! And Steph - you looked beautiful bald! Stunning!! The trouble with having hair is that nobody notices you, you look likeeveryone else :-) Mary >>>Can someone post the link to the Bios which gives personal info about >>>people in this group? I went to the FAQ but cannot find it listed in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Mary Some people may have made updates to their bios which were lost. Being necessarily in publicly writeable space it is easy for them to be deleted accidentally or maliciously, so I have to restore them now and again. And I'm not very good at keeping the backups up to date, so they can sometimes go back quite a while. But mostly they don't get updated very often anyway. Sometime maybe I'll set up an automatic backup system Tim > Some people may have made updates to their bios which were lost. Oh, that's a shame. > Being necessarily in publicly writeable space it is easy for them to be > deleted accidentally or maliciously, so I have to restore them now and > again. I'm sure you understand what you're talking about. I, on the other hand ... <doh> :-) > And I'm not very good at keeping the backups up to date, so they can > sometimes go back quite a while. There ARE other things in life! > But mostly they don't get updated very often anyway. Sometime maybe I'll > set up an automatic backup system Tim, I wasn't nagging you. I assumed it was up to the individual contributors. Ann has had such a lot of other experiences and triumphs since her bio was written, it's a shame not to make them available to encourage others. I'd like to see others' stories. Mary > Tim > Some people may have made updates to their bios which were lost. Being > necessarily in publicly writeable space it is easy for them to be deleted > accidentally or maliciously, so I have to restore them now and again. I'm sure you understand what you're talking about :-) > And I'm not very good at keeping the backups up to date, so they can > sometimes go back quite a while. But mostly they don't get updated very > often anyway. Well, there ARE other things in life ... I assumed it was up to the writers. > Sometime maybe I'll set up an automatic backup system Tim, I wasn't suggesting that you were remiss. I know that AnnT has had lotsof experiences and triumphs since her published bio, it would be lovely to have them available to encourage other readers. I'd like to see others' stories too. Thanks for the explanation- and what you do. Mary > Tim Sorry for the double post, the pc hung up and said the first was lost! Ah well, you can't have too much of a Good Thing and repetition seems to be par for the course in ascb! Mary It made me sad to see the bios of people who are gone, but glad to reread about them. thanks Tim > I've just had a look at someof the bios and notice that Ann's site is way > out of date! Come on, Ann, do something! Argh! Busybusybusybusy! I'll try . . . . Ann T. Remove 'dontsendspam' from address to reply by email >> I've just had a look at someof the bios and notice that Ann's site is way >> out of date! Come on, Ann, do something! > > Argh! Busybusybusybusy! > > I'll try . . . . You're a star :-) Mary > Ann T. > Remove 'dontsendspam' from address to reply by email |
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