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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Breast Cancer / June 2005Has anyone else in USA had these experiences?
As below. It would be very interesting to know and possibly even have some support for American doctors from those of you here (on the ng) who've been treated by them. Mary > Avoid Texas & Louisiana > > The best I can remember, Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, is > heavily involved in using/testing Arimidex, ..... so they'll push it > regardless, no matter how much harm it's doing. > > ----------------- > > Avoid Universities > > It's best to avoid the universities (medical schools) if at all > possible, when seeking medical care, ...... mostly because of their > special interests (PHARMA grant money for the school, students & > professors), ...... their over-pushing of whatever experimental drugs > they're paid to, ...... & their use of students (the un- or > under-skilled) as doctors. > > Many doctors can't do a semi-decent job of medical care, much less > students. > > And at Parkland/Aston/SWMed in Dallas, they basically let their students > run wild, ..... run some clinics, such a Spine & Joint, without > adult/teacher supervision. ?! The profs would rather be elsewhere. > > It's shocking how bad (a total waste of time & $$$, how lacking & > harmful) the medical care at universities can be. > > I can't see how Parkland could get a good rating anywhere, esp. not in > Best Hospitals. ?! It's a charity hospital in Dallas, that's run as > such. The area & bldgs are quite dangerous, esp. riding the elevators. > > No quality care for patients who do have money or good insurance. > > It's one lie, meanness & run-around after another, while you get no > medical care for years. > > And they do NOT care about complaints. > > ----------------- > > Since Medicare & other insurance companies have agreed to pay docs, no > matter how bad, inferior, or lacking the care, ...... there's no quality > control. > > For the most part, you can't convince the insurance Not to pay. > > This needs to be changed. > > The laws which prevent us from suing the docs, & which limit damages, > also need to be changed. > > There needs to be some accountability, for the major misconduct, fraud & > harm being done by the doctors, universities, hospitals. > > ----------------- > > Since the Breast Clinic at Methodist Hospital in Houston, is run by the > Baylor College of Medicine there, ..... it's Not going to be a good > place for info or help. > > M D Anderson was worse. > > LSU (a charity hospital) much, much worse. > > ---------------- > > What I was told, is that Baylor/Methodist & MDA work on the same > projects for the PHARMA companies, so there's not much difference in the > two, ..... except that people with good insurance or with money, choose > Methodist. > > Both places have proved losers. > > Avoid Texas & Louisiana if at all possible, when seeking health care. > > ---------------- > > Political Fraud & Graft/Greed > > When politicians want to waste taxpayer money in large amounts, then > they'll hire their buddies to build something, usually badly, ..... such > as the unnecessary bombing out & then "rebuilding" (ain't gonna happen) > of Iraq, ...... such as the building & promotion of the huge Texas > Medical Center in Houston, ..... such as the building of rehabilitation > centers around Texas, which are basically holding-cells for the injured, > rather than places to get testing, diagnosis & good care, ..... such as > building schools. > > Just because MDA or any other place is billed as "good" by the media (by > another university), ..... does Not make it so. > > Susan, Su_Texas my opinions > > PS Some Justice Please! > > At this point, I feel very angry & hurt, very badly betrayed by the MDs > & their ongoing BS, their lies, cons, swindles. > > I think the oncologists should be force-ted their own poisons, then put > in stocks on the public square for people to spit at, throw things at, > pee on, jeer. > > They deserve no respect, no rewards, for the harm they're doing. > > They deserve only the worse. > > And I'm hoping & praying, they get it, both in this life & the next. > > May they suffer horribly, fester & rot in their own vile/bile. > > May the spirits of those they've horribly harmed & murdered, haunt them > for the rest of their days, ..... & be waiting to grab & rip their sorry > souls apart in the most painful of ways, at their moment of death, > ..... to torture & punish them for all eternity & beyond. > > May these hellish, lying, thieving vermin (docs) from hell, never know > one moment's peace. > > May they face only justice without mercy. >As below. >It would be very interesting to know and > possibly even have some support for > American doctors from those of you here (on > the ng) who've been treated by them. >Mary You won't get that support from me, Mary! I keep wanting to think that Su-Texas is some nutcase just trying to scare people but my own horrible experiences with doctors and our local hospital tells me she is not. If I tell a doctor I can't take a certain type drug, he gives me samples of another in the same class category which causes me the same horrible side effects. My innocence and trust in them in earlier years was my downfall. Now, I check out all their drugs and dump most in the garbage when I find out it's not what I was told it would me. When I told my Oncologist of my concerns about the Arimidex, his attitude was that I had no choice but to take it if I wanted to try to live. His scare tactics worked because I take it and just pray I won't end up like Su-Texas and others who have taken it. It is also a running joke here that the worse thing that can happen to someone is to have to go to the Emergency Room of our local "not for profit" hospital. The bottom line is it truly seems to be all about money and not the best patient care. BTW, I live in one of the states Su-Texas is groaning about and have fought my own battles with the doctors and hospital here. I will be reading this thread with great interest to see if it is truly just Texas and Louisiana where medical care is in the garbage can. If I did not have family here, I would gladly move to any state where others can show one does get good medical care nowadays. Bea > >As below. >>It would be very interesting to know and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You won't get that support from me, Mary! Hey! I wasn't asking for support - UK is so far from USA in geography and culture that I wondered if all medical teams were the same. I would find that heard to belive, to be honest, but it just might be so. Two of my great friends wereGeneral Practicioners in Ohio and Washington State and I'm sure they always had the best interests of their patients at heart. One contracted lung cancer many years ago and is still alive and active, and very grateful for the experimental and previously untried care she received. But if it is so bad everywhere I wonder why so many people continue to seek medical advice. > I keep wanting to think that > Su-Texas is some nutcase just trying to scare people I don't want to think that, I'm prepared to hear what others say, which is why I asked. Mary >I don't want to think that, I'm prepared to hear > what others say, which is why I asked. >Mary My apologies, Mary. I did not mean for my distain for too many in the medical profession in the US to be misunderstood as a reaction towards your post. I, too, would love to hear if ours are just isolated cases and what others have as their experience with their doctors. I think most doctors start out with great dedication to giving the best medical care they can but with their offices packed to the walls and snowed under in paperwork, I feel, it is the rare doctor who can really give their patient the good medical care they need. Unfortunately, as the old saying goes "they bury their errors" and I wonder how many errors need to be buried before the US gets better medical care for it's citizens. You are very fortunate if you can have confidence in the care you get in the UK. Bea > >I don't want to think that, I'm prepared to hear >> what others say, which is why I asked. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > citizens. You are very fortunate if you can have confidence in the > care you get in the UK. I imagine that some people in UK don't like the service they receive, nobody's perfect. But if we don't like what we get we can change, it doesn't cost anything. Of course there are always those discontented patients who complain about everything, sometimes their opinions are difficult to believe. They do tend to be the same people who are discontended by every service, not just the medical ones. I'm especially fortunate to be on the panel of a group practice at the bottom of our street. Their philosophy is to give service rather than make money, they have limited the number of patients on the list so that they can do that, at the expense of reducing their income. In my experience our private service is also excellent. It couldn't be done in some parts of the country, such as London, where there's an enormous pressure on GPs. Mary > Bea > As below. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mary I live in West Texas, and I think I had very good care. My surgeon was highly skilled, and took the time to explain my options to me before I decided on a lumpectomy. She referred me to the nicest radiation oncologist and I received excellent care at her clinic, with a very caring and experienced staff. I had 35 treatments using the latest technology, IMRT. I actually looked forward to my treatments, because it was such a pleasant place to go. They served free coffee, tea and snacks to those in the large, comfortable waiting room. The atmosphere was more like a country club than a treatment center. I had one chemo treatment, with a different oncologist, and had such negative feelings about having any more, that I made a decision not to take chemo. I also did not want a porta-cath. I agreed to take Tamoxifen, and have had no side effects from it. All of my treatments were covered by Medicare and my other insurance. I did not go to a teaching hospital, and I was consulted and given options regarding my treatment. Joan >> Avoid Texas & Louisiana >> [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] >> >> May they face only justice without mercy. I have been employed as RN for the past 28 years, and I have ultimate faith in the US medical care. Are there issues ? Of course! Do people travel to the US to seek care every day. Texas has several medical centers that are the best in the world, two I can think of are MD Anderson and Baylor Medical Center. Louisiana has Tulane. > As below. > [quoted text clipped - 123 lines] >> >> May they face only justice without mercy. >I have been employed as RN for the past 28 years, and I have ultimate faith >in the US medical care. Are there issues ? Of course! Do people travel to >the US to seek care every day. > Texas has several medical centers that are the best in the world, two I > can think of are MD Anderson and Baylor Medical Center. Louisiana has > Tulane. A sensible response. The Su person continually produces rabid posts unsupported by facts and she/he/it has been in my killfile for some time. My wife has been dealing with cancer, first lung then breast, for about ten years and we have had very good experiences at Duke Medical Center and at Shands, both hospitals associated with a major university, which in the US is generally the way to go for the best medicine. Professionals working in academic sacrifice financially for the opportunity to be where the best medicine is practiced and their dedication shows. That said, do they make mistakes? Of course. But we have always felt very well treated and, most important, my wife is alive and in fine fettle despite the severely threatening nature of her illnesses. The Su person continually produces rabid posts unsupported by facts ============================ And you Anthony, are a lying piece of selfish, sadistic scum, ..... of which you seem quite proud. ?! The typical sociopath. Narcissistic & Antisocial moral disorder. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions That was uncalled for Susan. It is obvious you are angry and scared, but your choice of words the last couple of days are really over the top. Perhaps you should get in to see your counselor and talk about your "newest" diagnosis until the anger and fear subside a bit and you can be civil to others. BTW, my grandmother lived 20+ years with CHF, and never ever complained. She conducted herself with dignity and grace and never tried to place blame upon her doctors or priest or society for her ills. Just food for thought... Marie > ============================ > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Susan, Su_Texas my opinions Susan, I feel bad that the medical system has let you down but insulting others is not right. If I went to a doctor or hospital where I was mistreated I would stop going! Not everyone believes in the mainline medical system, but the undisputable fact is people are living longer. There is no law mandating that you have to seek medical care. So your choices are to go it on your own or try to live with the system. Alex ... > And you Anthony, are a lying piece of selfish, sadistic scum, ..... of > which you seem quite proud. ?! > > The typical sociopath. Narcissistic & Antisocial moral disorder. Su, that was uncalled for and, as far as I can see, unjustified. If you want to make accusations about someone you should give evidence. Mary > Susan, Su_Texas my opinions From: su-texas@webtv.net Anthony wrote: The Su person continually produces rabid posts unsupported by facts ============================ And you Anthony, are a lying piece of selfish, sadistic scum, ..... of which you seem quite proud. ?! The typical sociopath. Narcissistic & Antisocial moral disorder. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions ========================== Su_Texas writes: It's alarming to me, that people wouldn't find the nasty & negative posts that Anthony writes to be wrong here, or the lies he's trying to spread. At this point, I think it was right to confront him for it. If you disagree, then that's your problem. Perhaps until he lies about & slanders you, you won't be able to see the problem? Experience is a great teacher. And sadistic little trolls like Anthony (the same as with bad children), shouldn't be encouraged or rewarded, when they lie & act ugly in public. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions PS My Focus I'm very concerned at the misinformation that's been put out about Breast Cancer Care, ...... about the chemotherapy, about the "trust your doctor & the medical system" nonsense, ..... esp. now that these lies & super-silly-and-stupid blind-faith total-bullsh*t-type statements have harmed me so badly & permanently. And these lies (trust & blind faith in docs; which can do so much harm!) have been overly-pushed at & by this "support" group. ??? So this is one place to address it. The facts are, that the lying super-sleazy low-life verminous docs, have now destroyed my heart & health, which is a BIGGIE on the survival scale. And this has put my pets (dogs, my children) in danger too, which I can never forgive. I'm posting about my experiences, no matter what flack & BS it draws from the determinedly-dumb, ..... because I don't want other women to go through such a horrible & horrifying experience in the Medical System, ... to waste so much time, money & effort on such harm-filled cr*p. People with Breast Cancer should be told the truth, should have this information up-front, ..... & then be able to make a much-more-informed choice than I got to, concerning treatments for breast cancer. As far as I can see, there's NOTHING available from the Medical Industry, that can help with Breast Cancer, ..... but there's a whole lot of poisons there, that can do serious harm, can maim & murder, can cost mucho $$$. I'd NOT recommend chemotherapy, because it's not yet proven to help. There are no tests to show it works. I'd recommend that women NOT trust the oncologists (Oinkers), not trust their GPs/FPs. They belong to & are loyal to special interest groups, that somehow, someway do NOT have the patient's interest or welfare in mind at all. Most will only lie, cheat, con, go for the $$$, .... will harm you & then walk away smirking, snickering. As long as the docs' determinedly dumb, dastardly & destructive acts work on the patients, ..... as long as they bring in $$$, & we can't sue for harm done, ..... then the Oinkers & Medical Industry won't change. If I were to start over from the beginning, I'd NOT get any breast cancer care from an Oinker, ..... & would check into alternative treatments. It's important that the insurance companies acknowledge the many flaws, failings & failures, sadistic greed of the Medical Industry, ...... their total botching of breast cancer treatments, & the harm they do, ..... & start paying for alternative treatments instead. ------------------------ The Importance of Screaming in Reaction to Crimes What's the oncologists here are doing, is sleazy & sadistic beyond words. It's a crime. After they betray & harm you, basically sadistically murder you for $$$, ..... it's important to scream out loud in outrage & shock, ..... & if you care about others, to warn them of the danger, the fraud & lies of the docs, & the harm done. If the victims of these crimes remain silent, then the docs & Medical Industry will be able to go on scamming & harming in the same ways. Scream. ---------------------- Yes, I was very, very stupid to trust the doctors at Baylor College of Medicine, at Methodist Hospital in Houston, at M D Anderson, at the Longview Cancer Center, at LSU. I'd advise people NOT to go to or trust any of these for cancer care, .... despite what propaganda & BS you hear or read, that's put out by special interest groups, by universities & MDs, by the corporate-owned media. I don't know who we're supposed to trust for medical advice, but it certainly isn't MDs or DOs, & it's not the media or Medical Industry. >The Importance of Screaming in Reaction to > Crimes Su- I agree with you totally that more patients have to speak out and confront their medical professionals if they receive bad medical care. However, I disagree with the way you advocate our doing it. "Screamers" become quickly tagged as neurotic emotional basket cases and after word gets out about them, they will lose all credibility and their attempts to rectify a bad situation will become null and void. I have had many of my own confrontations with hospitals and doctors but I find if I confront them in a professional manner and make sure I do not stoop to name-calling, I get more cooperation from them. IMO, if you can control you anger and change the manner with which you confront people, they might take you more seriously and you can do much good for yourself and the rest of us. What you want for yourself (good medical care) is a justifiable cause but I think your cause will fall on deaf ears if you continue to advocate "screaming". Just my thoughts. Bea Hi Bea, Whoops! In advocating "screaming", I was doing so in connection with writing, with posts on the internet, ..... Not in person to anyone. Sorry for the misunderstanding. --------------------- Right after you've been badly betrayed & harmed, esp. by a "professional" (such as a doctor), ...... it's important to speak up & out about it (in writing), to get the feelings out, not keep them inside, not suffer in silence. [On the internet, this is beneficial, in that it helps warn others of danger, so they can be better prepared. "Knowledge is power." I'm Very grateful for the info that individuals have left in the Google archives, to help & benefit others. And I'm trying to do the same, esp. with the subjects I'm most familiar through personal experience.] ----------------------- "Screaming" in writing, helps lessen the stress load & shock, & gets you ready to go back into the fray, in a calm, calculated & logical manner, ..... with the added bonus of new ideas from others, who heard you scream, who cared, offered prayers & support, who responded or not. [I read posts, close my eyes, focus & pray for people, without responding to their posts in writing, & believe they do the same for me.] Screaming in writing, gets the truth out in the open with a loud bang, & blasts away the confetti & cobwebs of lies, deceit, treachery, bad games. After dealing with Mom's hypocrite-type, hate & harm-filled KKKChristians for much of my life, ..... I super dislike liars & lying. -------------------- As far as I can tell, talking to people in person, when you are upset (such as after a major crime or harming), is NOT a good idea, ..... Nor is talking to a counselor at that time. Basically, they can do nothing to help. They mostly don't or can't afford to care much. And only one person hears you. So it's frustrating, draining & a waste of time. Plus, your being upset, can get them upset, which is bad, wastes energy, accomplishes nothing. On the internet, there's a certain distance from the emotions, a wider base of people (with varying life skills & savvy, experience), & the chance of getting positive feedback, some sincere & freely-given caring & concern, .... maybe getting some helpful suggestions & insight, .... & the feeling that at a hellishly awful time, I've stopped to give info that might help others, that I could give something (anything!) of value back to those who've helped me, & to honor those here, who've died. ------------------- When dealing with people in person, esp. those who are acting as sociopaths (with a criminal, harmful mindset), ....... I know how important it is, to be & stay extremely calm, logical, practical. Since I was tortured & abused from birth, I've found that staying calm like this, is extremely easy for me, ..... no matter how dastardly & difficult a sociopath chooses to act. Sometimes sociopaths freak out around me, get upset, act "off", will physically attack me, ..... because I can stay so calm & logical, regardless of the sick stunts & dramas they pull. [In the hundreds of doctors I've met, since my being badly injured in Jan. 1998 & having to beg for testing, diagnosis & help over & over, .... two doctors attacked me like this: Raymond J0rdan & Richard Zw3ig. After being suddenly & unexpectedly attacked by each of them, I did start screaming loudly for help, sobbing & crying, ..... but no one would help me, no nurses or staff, .... & no one would tell the police what happened. At LSU, the sick b*tches just stood there & smirked, snickered, .... as did the head of the dept & the campus cop when they came. Talk about betrayal! (I feel sure there's a special hell waiting for these human vermin, in the next life.) Here in Texas & Louisiana, the docs have power & are allowed to do whatever they want. When you report a doctor for a crime, the police ignore it, as does the hospital where the doctor works, as does the Texas State Board of Medical Examiners. Louisiana is wrose. There are NO quality controls here, NO recourse for medical malpractice. The lawyers won't take the cases. Because of this, & because of the financially & morally impoverished, extremely corrupt & crime-ridden society here (which keeps getting worse). the dangers, ..... I'd definitely NOT recommend Texas or Louisiana, as places to seek medical care.] ----------------- Sociopaths are extremely used to people losing it emotionally. For them, it's the norm, & they count & thrive on it. After someone is upset, a sociopath can easily manipulate, use, control & harm them. [This technique (upset their emotions, demand trust & blind faith, & thereby create hypocrites, enforcers for evil/harm in "God's name") is what some of the churches here use, to catch & then control their "flocks", ..... as do the corrupt, hate & harm KKKChristian politicians like Bush.] --------------------- In person, calmness counts. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions su-texas wrote: > In advocating "screaming", I was doing so in connection with writing, > with posts on the internet, ..... Not in person to anyone. Susan, "screaming" on the internet has the same effect as walking down the street screaming. If you want to be taken seriously and have good input to your inquiries, then you really need to NOT "scream" here either. We aren't robots behind our monitors. We are people, and you come into our homes when you post on the internet. The only difference is you reach a vaster audience. If it is important to you to get the rage out by "screaming" then there are other avenues that are more private, for example myspace.com or livejournal.com. You could start a private ranting & raving journal, and then when you are calmer you can post inquiries to the broader mass of people. > Plus, your being upset, can get them upset, which is bad, wastes energy, > accomplishes nothing. Please think about these words of yours carefully Susan. You just described how people here or other places on the internet feel when you are "screaming". Again, there is no difference. > In person, calmness counts. Calmness counts here also. My opinion only, Marie > As far as I can see, there's NOTHING available from the Medical > Industry, that can help with Breast Cancer, ..... but there's a whole [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'd NOT recommend chemotherapy, because it's not yet proven to help. > There are no tests to show it works. ------------- I had an aggressive Stage 3 tumor the size of a tennis ball. I had chemo *before* I had the mastectomy. By the time I completed the chemo, the tumor could no longer be felt. After my mastectomy the pathology report indicated no active cancer cells in the breast tissue or 15 lymph nodes that were removed. I'd say the chemo worked, wouldn't you? Or do you attribute this to a miracle? I have been crippled and disfigured by the chemo BUT IT SAVED MY LIFE. If I hadn't had it, I'd be in the ground. And if you had a Stage 3 tumor, the same is almost unquestionably true of you. It damaged you, but if you hadn't had it you'd be dead now. This isn't "blind faith." This is direct personal experience. And of course there are *many* studies which demonstrate chemo's effectiveness in keeping you alive. It's a human tendency to think in black and white terms. You live or you die. You don't realize how many points there are on the continuum in between "living" and "dying." On June 30, 2004 my breast cancer was diagnosed, and all I could think was "NO! I don't want to die!" All I cared about was staying alive. Right now I'm very unhappy about all the things I can't do because of the changes in my body due to chemo, surgery, and radiation....but I have known 3 women in the past 8 years who were diagnosed with breast cancer and were dead within a year. At the end of the day, I'm glad and grateful to be alive now. Eva Hi Eva, I had a stage three tumor, because the doctors ignored each year's mammogram results, lied to me about them & breast cancer, would not diagnose the lump as cancer, would not help me with it for many years, .... & because a bad doctor then falsified a lab report in March 2000, to indicate it wasn't cancer, probably to help cover himself & the other doctors, & to see that I could get no care. He (Charles Kilp@trick, a general surgeon in Marshall TX, took fluid from the two lumps in March 2000, never sent it to the lab, & said the report came back Not Cancer), ...... proved one sick, sleazy & sadistic, low-life little b*stard. When I confronted him in Oct 2001, he wasn't ashamed of what he'd done, & his nurse/assistant (an old f-ugly-looking hag) thought it was very fun & funny. She snickered, laughed about it, as she told me they'd never sent my lab-work in, bragged. ?! I was in shock, horrified, turned & left, & screamed in writing later. I also reported him to the Marshall police & hospital, who didn't care, who did nothing. Most people will act as sociopaths/criminals, when given any opportunity or power to do so (without penalties), & get off on it, get high. This is basic/primitive human nature. Power corrupts. The GP/FP doctor Suzane Bl@ke was also involved in this fraud (March 2000), & also quite proud of herself, ..... later bragging about her role in it & the harm done, once I learned the truth in Oct 2001. I think there should be a special branch of the AMA in Texas, called the Skank Ho Doc KKKlub, whose membership is the worst of the worst docs here, the lowest of the low. -------------------- If the first bump had been removed when I found it & asked for it to be (many years before March 2000), & if I'd had a double mastectomy at that time, ...... then I'd probably not have needed any chemotherapy, ever. My heart & health would not have been damaged & destroyed. Because the docs chose to do the wrong things over & over, to "first do harm", then do more harm over & over, trying to murder & "bury their mistakes", ...... the second breast lump (from injury in Jan. 1998) grew to be about 6 by 6 by 2 inches big, & the breast had turned yellow-orange, ...... before any doc would acknowledge the lump was there (in Oct 2001), much less that it was cancer. Because of the sadistic crimes & meanness of these docs, the cancer was very advanced, third-stage, before I could get any surgery or treatment. For their doing this, they should be in prison, but unfortunately, there's nothing we can do to them in Texas. There should be some enforceable penalties, for those doctors in Texas & Louisiana who choose to act as sadistic, snickering sociopaths & criminals, but there's not. This has to change! -------------------- Knowing what I now know, I'd have had the surgery in late 2001 (double mastectomy), ..... then opted NOT to have chemotherapy, based mostly on its being NOT proven, its results NOT testable, & its extremely toxic & destructive nature PROVEN. I'd have opted for alternative therapy. I do NOT believe that I'm alive now, because of the chemotherapy, radiation & Arimidex, ..... but am alive in spite of it, partly because I have such an intense will & need to live regardless. --------------------- So far, because of the extreme corruption, crimes & meanness here in Texas, I've not got to start & live a life yet. I've worked very steadily, long & hard to survive, to get some rights & protection, & to get to live a life, ..... & I d*mned well intend to get to, before the bad docs & corrupt system, can finish murdering me, finish harming me to death. And if I don't make it, then I intend that other crime & abuse victims use the info I've posted, .... to get a better chance to live their lives. I'm outraged that anything, any area, can be as horrendously bad as this one has proved to be. -------------------- Now that there's the internet, & I can get more information, I might be moving to a better area, as soon as I can get an investigation into the crimes & corruption here, the extreme levels of harm done, ..... & get some $$$-settlements. Because I've now been harmed so badly by bad docs & others, I'll probably need to move close to the best medical center I can find. Few options. (heavy sigh) And definitely not the life I intended, wanted, planned for. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions > Now that there's the internet, & I can get more information, I might be > moving to a better area, as soon as I can get an investigation into the > crimes & corruption here, the extreme levels of harm done, ..... & get > some $$$-settlements. ---------- So, your name and your game are the same--SUE. Nice way to make a living. Eva So, your name and your game are the same--SUE. Nice way to make a living. ========================= What a sleazy little thing you've proved to be, Eva. So far, I've not sued anyone, & have worked Very hard for what I had (before it was stolen & burned last August). Two houses full of stuff. Because of the extreme harm & crimes that have happened, I now need to sue for justice, for positive changes here, & for $$$. It's gonna be great, to see the corrupt DA, police chief, judges get handcuffed & taken away, to see their trials reported on TV, to know they'll be doing some serious prison time, to see the smugness & smirks get permanently wiped off their faces, ..... to get the US & Texas govt systems to investigate & prosecute public crimes & corruption, to work for a change. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions Good luck with the lawsuits but I'd bet money nothing will come of it. The lawyers will cover for each other as much as the doctors. Eva wrote: So, your name and your game are the same--SUE. Nice way to make a living. ========================= What a sleazy little thing you've proved to be, Eva. So far, I've not sued anyone, & have worked Very hard for what I had (before it was stolen & burned last August). Two houses full of stuff. Because of the extreme harm & crimes that have happened, I now need to sue for justice, for positive changes here, & for $$$. It's gonna be great, to see the corrupt DA, police chief, judges get handcuffed & taken away, to see their trials reported on TV, to know they'll be doing some serious prison time, to see the smugness & smirks get permanently wiped off their faces, ..... to get the US & Texas govt systems to investigate & prosecute public crimes & corruption, to work for a change. Keep us up to date with the progress. Mary From: usenetgirl@gmail.com (alex) I have been employed as RN for the past 28 years, and I have ultimate faith in the US medical care. Are there issues ? Of course! Do people travel to the US to seek care every day. Texas has several medical centers that are the best in the world, two I can think of are MD Anderson and Baylor Medical Center. Louisiana has Tulane. ========================== Hi Alex, Because your job is in Cancer Care, I know you need to believe this, so out of kindness, I did not directly challenge your post. However, when I answer other posts, I will express my opinions about the kind of care & advice I got at these facilities, & the harm this did. If you confront me in a harmful way (such as in the Anthony post), then I will confront you about it. Susan, Su_Texas my opinions > As below. > > It would be very interesting to know and possibly even have some support for > American doctors from those of you here (on the ng) who've been treated by > them. ----------- I believe you should never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity. I've had doctors and nurses make stupid mistakes involving my care. I have not come to the conclusion that they are fiends from hell, only that they are dumb humans like the rest of us. Eva > ----------- > I believe you should never attribute to malice what can be explained by > stupidity. I've had doctors and nurses make stupid mistakes involving my > care. I have not come to the conclusion that they are fiends from hell, > only that they are dumb humans like the rest of us. I agree. Mary I've had an onc for the last year that I like very much, BUT...... there's a problem that I consider quite important. I've had lung mets for about 20 mos., but last spring my femur/hip started really bothering me. Had a bone scan at the end of April which showed extensive mets in many places that have yet to bother me, but also in both femurs/hips. When I saw onc 3-1/2 wks later to discuss scan report she said she never saw a report. I had gotten my own copy from the Radiolgy Dept. so I showed it to her. Hmmm, she said. She then ordered xrays of spine, hips, femurs to check the bone integrity to prevent fracture. Again, I got my own xray reports. At my reg. appt. weeks later onc again said "I've never gotten any xray reports. Can I see yours?" It was at that point that I asked her just who the doctor was--I had reports and knew my bone integrity, she had never obtained a report from eitherthe bone scan taken two months ago or the xrays. I then told her what the reports detailed and she asked if she could see them. I let her know that I found it very lax and disturbing that my file contained no reports from tests I had and that I had to rely on myself to obtain them and interpret them. Her reply was that she didn't know why she didn't get reports, but it didn't seem to bother her. I direct my own treatments, she always agrees with me, and I basically use her to write orders or 'scripts. I've had several docs and my experience has been that most seem quite happy to talk as little as possible and avoid any discussion about any questions that might require more than one sentence. Oh, well, I research, research, and try to do what I think will be best for me. I think most docs are quite happy to let the patient direct them. Kathie > It would be very interesting to know and possibly even have some support for > American doctors from those of you here (on the ng) who've been treated by > them. My experiences have been generally good. No one has been vicious, venial, or otherwise intentionally or negligently bad. Some doctors have been better communicators (both listening & talking), or had more likeable/approachable personalities, than others. Some do a better job of keeping up with new developments than others. They're all human, and, like all of us, can only do what they can do. Personally, I don't know how doctors do it -- so much is expected of them; no one could live up to it. (Worse than the unmeetable expectations people have for preachers' wives, even, I think <grin>.) Overall, I and my family have had good, sometimes excellent, medical care. Sometimes I've been quite impressed by how committed, engaged & involved a particular doctor is. I'm not saying everything has been uniformly perfect. I've sometimes had to be assertive or emphatic to get what I wanted, which I think is to be expected given the large number of patients that doctors see in compressed periods of time. And one can always argue that "if the doctor had only done X, then Y wouldn't have happened". Sometimes it's probably even true <g>. None of the doctors are as absorbed by me & mine, as I am. I can wish they were, but realistically, I wouldn't expect them to be. Perhaps we watch too much TV. Marcus Welby is necessarily fictional. Ann T. Remove 'dontsendspam' from address to reply by email <snip expected reasoned Annpost> > Perhaps we watch too much TV. Marcus Welby is necessarily fictional. Who? Mary > Ann T. > Remove 'dontsendspam' from address to reply by email ><snip expected reasoned Annpost> >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Mary The actor Robert Young was the much beloved father in Father Knows Best, a tv show in the late 50s, I believe. He went on to play a much beloved doctor, on another series Marcus Welby, MD. Back in the days when we only had one or two channels available. Marilyn >><snip expected reasoned Annpost> >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Back in the days when we only had one or two channels available. Ah, thanks. I should have realised, most of the things I don't know about are television related - we don't have one so are even ignorant of much of British culture! But somehow we survive ... :-) Mary > Marilyn >Perhaps we watch too much TV. Marcus > Welby is necessarily fictional. Marcus Welby was too nice for my liking. My dream doctor is "Dr. House". He's a real insulting nutcase lunatic but he won't give up on a patient until he figures out (with his diagnostic team) what is really their medical problem. What a joy it would be to be in the hands of someone like that! He's NOT a "giver-upper!" The show is great because it shows how stressful a doctor's life can really be and how human or inhuman they can become by their profession. It's help me be more understanding of a lot of the neglect I feel from some of my doctors. Bea >>Perhaps we watch too much TV. Marcus >> Welby is necessarily fictional. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >inhuman they can become by their profession. It's help me be more >understanding of a lot of the neglect I feel from some of my doctors. Bea, please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the show you're talking about is "Scrubs." Despite the network's best attempts to kill it by randomly moving it all over the schedule it remains one of the best shows on TV. - Tony >Bea, please correct me if I'm wrong but I > believe the show you're talking about is > "Scrubs." Despite the network's best attempts > to kill it by randomly moving it all over the > schedule it remains one of the best shows on > TV. - Tony No, no, no, Tony! Not "Scrubs". We tried to watch that but it is mainly a comedy. My kid adores it and has tried to get us to watch it but it's not our cup of tea. If you haven't discovered the "House" show on the Fox network you are missing the greatest show to hit tv in years, IMO. The leading character is Dr. Gregory House who has a limp and is, very weird looking in a sexy way. He eats pain killers which he promises to "kick" but keeps sneaking handfuls all through the show as he cures his patients of the most confusing and strangest medical problems. It is hilarious, sad, and teaches us great lessons on how "human" doctors really are. Sometimes we forget they actually were born to real moms and have families and eat hamburgers like the rest of us. After seeing Dr. House I actually had to hug my own doctor! (Usually my appointments are 3 hours of seeing who can insult the other the most.<g) Bea ... > and teaches us great lessons on how "human" doctors really are. I saw one of ours in a DIY supermarket buying wall paper - it reminded me of when I was at school and a fellow pupil said she'd seen Miss Soandso buying FOOD! > Sometimes we forget they actually were born to real moms and have > families and eat hamburgers like the rest of us. After seeing Dr. > House I actually had to hug my own doctor! (Usually my appointments > are 3 hours of seeing who can insult the other the most.<g) You have three hour appointments??? Cor! Mary > Bea >You have three hour appointments??? >Cor! >Mary Sorry about the misunderstanding. My brain goes goofy when I talk about Dr. House. What I meant was that 3 hours is basically the "wait" time for the doctor. When he appears it usually is a couple of "quickie" minutes so by the time I have waited 3 hours to see him, I am all gunned up with juicy insults and he fires them back at me. Actually I think we have a good relationship considering he said he looks forward to our visits.<g Bea > >You have three hour appointments??? >>Cor! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > we have a good relationship considering he said he looks forward to our > visits.<g Ah, I understand now! I don't think I could wait that long. Many years ago I was sent to see the bc consultant because I found a soft lump in my breast and we were always exhorted to have any lump checked. About 1990 I think it was. I wasn't worried. I waited for over two hours and was more than impatient. My husband had taken the afternoon off school to be with me. When I protested I was told that Mr Pratt (yes, his real name) was a very important man. I expressed my disatisfaction with the system of block booking (everyone at 2 p.m.). Everyone in that waiting room was important, some people were distressed but daren't say anything. They shouldn't have had to wait like that. When I was seen by the very great and important man he said that it wasn't cancer but his advice was to have it out. I asked why I should have it out if it wasn't cancer? He said that he knew ladies and that I'd worry about it. I said that he didn't know me and left, walking tall (5' 3") and dignified. I don't do dignified often. I hoped that my snub might make him think or spoil his tea or something but I don't suppose it did. Pratt by name and Prat by nature. He knew ladies indeed. Pah! When I was actually diagnosed - eight years later - I dreaded the thought that Mr Pratt might still be there and, worse, remember me but he wasn't, instead I had St Kieran Horgan, a lovely, young, HUMAN, Irish surgeon who didn't claim to know ladies and wouldn't let me make a decision about the procedure to be undertaken until I'd thought about it - with full information from him and an invitation to ask as many questions as I wanted. I didn't have to wait more than a few minutes for my appointment and haven't had to wait since - for any appointment to do with bc. I know that there are some places where waiting times are a problem but we're very well served for bc in Leeds. Being on the list for hearing tests (18 months) and hammer toes is another story :-) Mary > Bea My primary care doctor is community based rarely have to wait more than 15 minutes. If I go into Boston to the Cancer Center it can be an all day experience for one appointment. >>Bea, please correct me if I'm wrong but I >> believe the show you're talking about is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >mainly a comedy. My kid adores it and has tried to get us to watch it >but it's not our cup of tea. Well, since I haven't watched broadcast TV in over a year I guess I'll have to pass. My apologies for the misdirection (although I'll still maintain my loyalty to Scrubs). - Tony |
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