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Estrogen Reactive Cancer & Hormones - Question

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Gigglz - 17 May 2005 15:10 GMT
Does anyone know if the OTC menopause natural remedy ESTROVEN can have
the same effect (cancer wise) as if you were taking estrogen?

I cannot take estrogen because my mother has estrogen reactive breast
cancer...but I have been taking the ESTROVEN for my menopause
symptoms.  I'm wondering if taking this supplement can put me at
cancer risk.

Does this make sense?

Thanks for any info you can give me.

Wishing you and your families all well!

Hugs and thanks,

Gigglz
Hoosier - 17 May 2005 16:21 GMT
I think it is a no-no, as herbs, etc. like soy, black cohosh are.  I feel
for you, just call me old sweaty head.

> Does anyone know if the OTC menopause natural remedy ESTROVEN can have
> the same effect (cancer wise) as if you were taking estrogen?
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> Gigglz
marilyn@utrillo.ac - 17 May 2005 16:56 GMT
>I think it is a no-no, as herbs, etc. like soy, black cohosh are.  I feel
>for you, just call me old sweaty head.

My sister-in-law and I are trying to invent a velcro covering for a Mr
Freezee so she can tie one around her neck. (g)

Marilyn
Gigglz - 17 May 2005 23:54 GMT
>>I think it is a no-no, as herbs, etc. like soy, black cohosh are.  I feel
>>for you, just call me old sweaty head.
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>Marilyn

Great idea!  Let me know when I can get them :-)

Hugs,
Gigglz
Gigglz - 17 May 2005 23:54 GMT
Thank you!  From one "sweaty head" to another :-)

Hugs,
Gigglz

>I think it is a no-no, as herbs, etc. like soy, black cohosh are.  I feel
>for you, just call me old sweaty head.
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>> Gigglz
Sandy L - 18 May 2005 00:59 GMT
>I think it is a no-no, as herbs, etc. like soy, black cohosh are.  I feel
> for you, just call me old sweaty head.
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>> Gigglz

Soy and dong quoy contain phytoestrogens; recent research indicates that
black cohosh does not.  I hadn't known that but someone posted a link in
response to an erroneous statement I made.  Black cohosh acts somewhat like
the SSRIs (Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, etc.).  It actually helps for a lot of
people.
Gigglz - 18 May 2005 02:13 GMT
>>I think it is a no-no, as herbs, etc. like soy, black cohosh are.  I feel
>> for you, just call me old sweaty head.
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>the SSRIs (Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, etc.).  It actually helps for a lot of
>people.

Thank you :-)

I'm just concerned about ESTROVEN acting like estrogen on my
body...hence making me at risk for estrogen-reactive breast cancer
like my mother has :-(
I already have a lump of my own, but haven't had it biopsied as of
yet.

Hugs,

Gigglz
Tim Jackson - 17 May 2005 22:27 GMT
> Does anyone know if the OTC menopause natural remedy ESTROVEN can have
> the same effect (cancer wise) as if you were taking estrogen?
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> Gigglz
Estroven claims to contain soy phytoestrogens, this appears to be the
relevant ingredient.

I don't think there is any evidence that soy increases the risk of a
primary cancer occurring, what evidence there is seems to point both
ways, but there is a suspicion that it may increase the risk of a
recurrence in patients who have had a cancer.

So the advice is that these patients should avoid soy based supplements
or a diet containing  large amount of soy, although the amount of soy
found in processed foods etc. in a 'normal' western diet is probably
harmless.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that someone who is at high
risk for breast cancer but has not actually had it, should avoid soy.
But I don't suppose anyone really knows.

Tim Jackson
Gigglz - 17 May 2005 23:55 GMT
Thank you, Tim.  That makes sense.
Seems everything is a risk these days :-(

Hugs,
Gigglz

>> Does anyone know if the OTC menopause natural remedy ESTROVEN can have
>> the same effect (cancer wise) as if you were taking estrogen?
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>Tim Jackson
 
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