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Herceptin News Report

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roado@webtv.net - 27 Apr 2005 01:44 GMT
Tonight on the local and national news they reported about how Herceptin
was helping the survival rate of those with this  certain type cancer.
Does anyone know why doctors have not given the drug to others who are
Hert and ER+?   I was never offered the drug or the opportunity to even
be in the clinical trials.  Are there certain criteria they look for in
bc patients before they give them this drug?  

I am already on Arimidex and wonder if they do not allow one to take
both drugs.  

My doctors seem to prefer not to discuss any details of the bc with me.
I only found out I was Hert and ER+ at my last visit with the radiation
doctor.  I was diagnosed in 8/03  have already undergone a lumpectomy,
Chemo, Radiation and now on the Arimidex.  Should I be on the Herceptin
from what you all know about this drug?   I am sorry to bother you with
my concerns but I have no one else to give me answers.   Will you please
share any information you can with me so that I can ask my Oncologist
the right questions when I see him in June?  Thank you so much for any
help you can give me.

Bea
Tim Jackson - 27 Apr 2005 09:24 GMT
> Tonight on the local and national news they reported about how Herceptin
> was helping the survival rate of those with this  certain type cancer.
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>
> Bea

Herceptin is a "dangerous" drug, in that is has a significant risk of
severe side effects (in particular congestive heart failure) and at the
moment outside of some clinical trials, is only given to stage IV
patients, who have relatively little to lose.  I have not heard of any
trials that are recruiting at the moment.

There is no particular problem with combining it with Arimidex.

It is also quite expensive, and to justify its use you have to be stage
IV, HER2+, and likely to benefit from it in terms of prognosis, e.g. not
already at death's door or suffering form other major complications.
Even then a significant proportion of patients who receive it do not see
any benefit, but for those who respond it can be dramatic.

Tim Jackson
A. P. Thorsen - 27 Apr 2005 15:17 GMT
>> Tonight on the local and national news they reported about how Herceptin
>> was helping the survival rate of those with this  certain type cancer.
>> Does anyone know why doctors have not given the drug to others who are
>> Hert and ER+?  
...
>> Bea
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> patients, who have relatively little to lose.  I have not heard of any
> trials that are recruiting at the moment.
...

> Tim Jackson

It's big news here (US) that they've stopped a trial early, because of
the dramatic increase in disease-free survival in the chemo+herceptin
arm, in order to add herceptin for the control group.

A few points I've gathered only from the news reports (dangerous source!):

- Of course, this applies only to the Her+ group, which is only about
30% of BC cases
- The trial was testing a combination of standard chemo plus Herceptin
(one doctor interviewed described it as a "one-two punch") against
standard chemo alone
- The side effect rates (possibly gleaned from other longer-term studies
than this one; not clear) was much lower than the DFS improvement, i.e.,
cost/benefit was strongly positive.
- Overall survival data isn't yet available, and presumably won't be
coming from this study given the treatment change being made.

Speaking to Bea's case specifically:  I don't know whether she would've
been eligible for the trial when she had chemo (don't know when the
trial started).  The terms of the trial, though, appear not to apply to
cases where one has already been treated with chemo in the past.  The
success seems to have involved using both agents in some kind of
combined regimen, not a sequential process with a time gap, or an
evaluation of Herceptin alone.

One of the things about being a long(er) term BC survivor, is that as
treatments improve, there are things we just miss out on, that could've
helped us if they'd been known when we were first treated.  It's scary,
but we usually can't turn back the clock & benefit from the new info.

Asking the oncologist can't hurt, though.

Ann T.
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Anthony - 27 Apr 2005 12:32 GMT
> Tonight on the local and national news they reported about how Herceptin
> was helping the survival rate of those with this  certain type cancer.

Talk to your oncologist.  If you are suitable both as to the type of cancer
and the strength of your heart you should push for this because the trial
results are so spectacular

My wife had a year of Herceptin as adjuvant chemo under a Mayo Clinic trial.
They monitored her heart throughout and at one point the ejection rate
dropped so much that they stopped the drug for four weeks, but her heart
bounced right back and she completed the course.  Needless to say we're
thrilled with the trial results!
 
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