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My wife was just diagnosed with breast cancer
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harry palmer - 06 Apr 2005 22:08 GMT Hi there
I live in Chicago and my wife has just called me to tell me that the lump in her breast is cancer and she is going to have a Lumpectomy as soon as possible. I am very scared. I am reading as much as I can to prepare for when she comes home and the next few weeks. If anyone has any advice I would welcome it. Please don't expect a reply to every post, if any, I am feeling a little under the weather at this time so bear with me. I'm looking for anything I can say or do that will help not hinder. I just read "breast cancer husband" an article at http://www.prevention.com/article/0,5778,s1-1-93-43-4453-1,00.html that has helped a little. Thank you in advance for any help you can offer.
A. P. Thorsen - 06 Apr 2005 22:45 GMT > I live in Chicago and my wife has just called me to tell me that the lump > in her breast is cancer and she is going to have a Lumpectomy as soon as > possible. I am very scared. I am reading as much as I can to prepare for > when she comes home and the next few weeks. If anyone has any advice I would > welcome it. Welcome, Harry -- I'm sorry you have need to join us, but it's a great group.
There are many web sites with good background info. You can find some links on this group's FAQ site (kindly hosted by ASCB's Tim Jackson) at:
http://www.cancersupporters.com/ascb.html
Look at the end of the "Frequently Asked Questions" page.
Another great resource is a book, "Dr. Susan Love's Breast Book", which almost any decent-sized bookstore should have in stock, in its medical area. But it's written for us regular people, not for doctors.
I'm sure you're feeling a bit overwhelmed at this point, but as you do have specific questions, you can ask here, too. We don't substitute for your doctors, who should be resource #1 for technical medical questions, but we're good for experiential questions. And this is a good place to rant, or worry aloud, or otherwise vent the feelings that are bound to happen at times like this. Everyone here understands, and there are others here who are spouses or caregivers.
Sending positive thoughts to you and your wife,
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Mary Fisher - 06 Apr 2005 23:14 GMT > Sending positive thoughts to you and your wife, Yes, and don't panic. You need to be calm and strong for her. And there's no need to panic at this stage, if ever.
Mary
harry palmer - 07 Apr 2005 00:10 GMT > > Sending positive thoughts to you and your wife, > > Yes, and don't panic. You need to be calm and strong for her. And there's no > need to panic at this stage, if ever. > > Mary I'll try not to Mary but it is difficult. Here's what I am suffering from Acute Stress Reaction and can be handled thus
http://www.crufad.com/self_help/trauma-level2.htm
thanks for you guidance
harry palmer - 07 Apr 2005 00:09 GMT Thanks Ann
for your kind words and advice. I am part way through the Dr. Love site and it is excellent. I'm going to buy her book and "Breast cancer husband" by Marc Silver, seems to be a good one. Here's some of his advice from an interview he gave
a.. The No. 1 rule for the breast cancer husband is to shut up and listen. a.. a.. No. 2: It's not about you; it's about your wife. So if the doctor's making eye contact with you and not her, that's not the way it should be. a.. a.. No. 3: Your wife is the boss. She may ask you what you think and you can certainly tell her, but in the end, she must make the decisions that make sense to her and her medical team.
a.. a.. No. 4: Sex doesn't have to take a holiday. Many men are afraid to approach their wives sexually during treatment. But the loss of intimacy is a huge loss. You have to respect your wife's mood, of course, maybe she just wants a good cuddle or back rub, but don't pull away.
a.. No. 5: Take care of yourself, too. Caregivers need to have down time and strength to carry on. Just ask your wife for permission before you go out for a golf game.
I'm going to try to pass on any information that I find maybe it will help others. I am still in a daze BUT I have have a handle on the problem, its called Acute Stress Reaction http://www.crufad.com/self_help/trauma-level2.htm now I have a name for the beast I can deal with it. I am so glad I live in Chicago with all the wonderful hospitals and support systems.
Thanks again for the support
Guess Who - 07 Apr 2005 00:29 GMT > I'm going to try to pass on any information that I find maybe it > will help others. I am still in a daze BUT I have have a handle on the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks again for the support I think your reaction is normal. How is your wife taking this all? Can you tell us about her? More positive thoughts your way, Alex
harry palmer - 07 Apr 2005 00:33 GMT > > I'm going to try to pass on any information that I find maybe it > > will help others. I am still in a daze BUT I have have a handle on the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > tell us about her? > More positive thoughts your way, Alex thanks alex
right now I'd prefer not to, as I said she just got diagnosed and I am trying to come to grips with it. Later on maybe.
thanks for all the positive thoughts
Tim Jackson - 07 Apr 2005 09:17 GMT > Thanks Ann > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > strength to carry on. Just ask your wife for permission before you go out > for a golf game. Those rules seem pretty good: no 5 is important and easily overlooked. You can't look after anyone if you don't look after yourself first. One must distinguish between making time for yourself and running away from the problems. It is easy for the conscientious caregiver to get into feeling guilt that the former might be seen as the latter. On the other hand, the more selfish type can easily use the former as an excuse for the latter. Only you know what your motives are.
What doesn't get a mention is talking to her about her issues, as and when she needs it. There will be times when she wants to deny cancer and get on with life as normal. And there will be times when she wants to discuss the issues she sees, but finds it hard to find anyone understanding to listen to her or make intelligent responses beyond the usual sort of "positive thinking" platitudes.
Be aware that she has a lot of new information to assimilate, and will probably need help with that. If you can be a "fly on the wall" at her consultations, two heads are much better than one when it comes to later thinking about what the consultant said, what the implications are, and what questions need to be asked next time. Then you can also make sure that all the questions raised actually do get asked and answered at the next consultation.
As far as sex is concerned, I don't remember cancer treatment per se having any particular impact on that. Of course if she's feeling ill she may not much feel like sex, and if she's feeling depressed she may feel more need for it, but that's life as normal, nothing special about cancer.
Rule 4 rather skirts around the real issue which is about body image. She may fell that having her breast 'mutilated' makes her unattractive as a woman, and you may find that the wounds and scars turn you off. The first is dealt with by being demonstrative in showing that you still find her attractive. The second is a normal response, but will pass if you persevere.
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eveline - 07 Apr 2005 00:26 GMT > Hi there > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > http://www.prevention.com/article/0,5778,s1-1-93-43-4453-1,00.html that has > helped a little. Thank you in advance for any help you can offer. <<<<<<<<<<<<< Hi back to you!
If you are scared, just imagine what your wife is feeling. She will need you to be strong and loving the next few weeks and months. I hope you have a storehouse of hugs and a strong shoulder for her to lean on. My daughter was very upset learning she had cancer, and she needed a lot of support, but did not get it from her new spouse. He kept telling her she was over reacting and should not feel the way she was feeling. He neglected to get supplies in when she was having chemo. Stayed away from the house for long intervals to avoid her. So I don't advise that approach. (They have since divorced.) I tried to fill in as much as I could but was taking care of a spouse in the last stage of Alzheimer disease . So please give your wife all the support you can, with love and hugs in abundence. Just be there for her.
my two cents worth.
eveline
harry palmer - 07 Apr 2005 00:36 GMT > > Hi there > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > eveline I'm going to be her 100% for her, we've been through thick and thin so far and I'm not going to quit now. I have an unlimited supply of hugs and love. Your daughter's "spouse" seems to be a real prat, we know how to deal with them in Chicago, we have a really deep lake and many boats :-) Sorry to hear about your spouse.
lisabucc@hotmail.com - 07 Apr 2005 13:17 GMT Harry wrote:
>I live in Chicago and my wife has just called me to tell me that the lump >in her breast is cancer and she is going to have a Lumpectomy as soon as >possible. I am very scared. Wecome, Harry. I see that you've already gotten a great round of "hullos" from others, all with wonderful suggestions. I just wanted to second (or third?) the invitation to post freely your questions, concerns, and experiences. We're a community with vast experiences with this disease - among us we've probably been through just about everything possible. We're also very open; nothing offends and no question is ever considered silly.
I hope that your wife has a smooth journey through her treatment. From your postings, I think that you'll do just fine as part of her support system.
Take care. ...lisa
harry palmer - 07 Apr 2005 15:13 GMT > Hi there > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > http://www.prevention.com/article/0,5778,s1-1-93-43-4453-1,00.html that has > helped a little. Thank you in advance for any help you can offer. Thank you all for your observations and messages of support.
I have a question we went from mam/ultra to lumpectomy without a biopsy, is this normal?
We have an appointment with a clinical associate professor of surgery at the University of Chicago a week friday so we are making some progress.
I bought two books today, in fact I had someone MAKE Borders open up early to get them. Dr. Susan Love's breast book ( for my wife , it looks too complex for me) and Breast Cancer Husband by Mark Silva for me. Thank you for steering me to these books they look really useful.
harry palmer - 07 Apr 2005 16:36 GMT > > Hi there > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > complex for me) and Breast Cancer Husband by Mark Silva for me. Thank you > for steering me to these books they look really useful. I got an answer to my question from our Doctor, it seems that the initial visit is to determine what course of action to take next. Could be a biopsy or an operation. Something I've learnt from the book ( husband) is to let my wife make that decision with me taking a back seat or an advisory role. All I can say is that I'll love her never mind what happens. Hope this will help someone one day
Tim Jackson - 07 Apr 2005 17:09 GMT >>I have a question we went from mam/ultra to lumpectomy without a biopsy, >>is this normal? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I can say is that I'll love her never mind what happens. Hope this will help > someone one day While you've answered your own question for your particular case, the general answer is no it is not normal but it might be done sometimes where a normal biopsy was for some reason impracticable, although it would probably then be described as a surgical biopsy rather than a lumpectomy.
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sybil2 - 07 Apr 2005 20:41 GMT (snip)
> > Thank you all for your observations and messages of support. > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Do you mean she hasn't even had a biopsy yet? There can't be a definitive cancer diagnosis without a tissue evaluation by a pathologist. We've seen some pretty scary looking mammos and ultrasounds that did not turn out to be cancer so I would hope both of you take a nice deep breath and take this one step at a time. Your wife is in my prayers. Denise
>(I am a RN working for a breast specialist/surgeon) harry palmer - 07 Apr 2005 22:00 GMT > (snip) > > > Thank you all for your observations and messages of support. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > and take this one step at a time. Your wife is in my prayers. Denise > >(I am a RN working for a breast specialist/surgeon) Nope no biopsy yet BUT we are both British so we expect the worst. Thank you for the helpful advice and thinking about us in your prayers.
Mary Fisher - 07 Apr 2005 20:55 GMT > I got an answer to my question from our Doctor, it seems that the initial > visit is to determine what course of action to take next. Could be a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > help > someone one day You're sounding more relaxed, that's good, I'm pleased.
Keep it up - and stick around here. You've a journey to complete and friends along the route are good.
Mary
harry palmer - 07 Apr 2005 22:07 GMT > > I got an answer to my question from our Doctor, it seems that the initial > > visit is to determine what course of action to take next. Could be a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Mary not relaxed by any means Mary, merely learning a little more each day. I'm following the route we always do. Hit a problem, find out as much as is necessary about it, find the best people possible to address it, and then let the chips fall where they may. I am really happy I found this group and I hope to contribute as much as I take, you are not finding me at my best.
J - 07 Apr 2005 19:16 GMT Hi Harry and welcome to the group. We're all here to help with whatever there is.....let us know.
J - 07 Apr 2005 22:17 GMT > Hi Harry and welcome to the group. We're all here to help with > whatever there is.....let us know. Quit playing games with this newsgroup, "Burt".
To the orthers reading... My NNTP-Posting-Host: is 209.239.5.155 - His starts with the number 66 I don't use Yahoo to post to newsgroups. This turd (who is masquerading as me) does.
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alex - 08 Apr 2005 00:11 GMT J and Burt, what does this have to do with breast cancer? For those of us who care, we know who is who.
Harry, hoping your wife does not have breast cancer 80% of biopsies are not cancer, although with the ultrasound with more information, it may point that way.
How does the US healthcare system measure up compare to the British system. Anyways good luck with you wife's appointment. Alex
>> Hi Harry and welcome to the group. We're all here to help with >> whatever there is.....let us know. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > References: <pdY4e.30380$hU7.18766@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.167.135.204 harry palmer - 08 Apr 2005 00:20 GMT Hey Alex
Thanks for the thoughts, fingers crossed. To answer your question as a VERY PROUD American citizen of some 4 years, the US healthcare system beats the crap out of the UK's IF you have decent medical insurance. I think that the skills of the people in the two systems are complementary BUT in the US there are more of them despite the fact that there are about 300m US citizens and about 60m UK subjects. I could have lived anywhere else in the world but I picked the US when I was 7 and stuck with it. Hope this answers your question.
Hp
> J and Burt, what does this have to do with breast cancer? For those of us > who care, we know who is who. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Path: border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.goog le.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
> > From: "J" <burglar_of_turds@yahoo.com> > > Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.breast [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > References: <pdY4e.30380$hU7.18766@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com> > > NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.167.135.204 alex - 08 Apr 2005 12:37 GMT Yes it does answer, I work as a RN in Boston and have a significant international service where I work. For these people money is not an object, and yet they travel thousands of miles to come to Boston. I have worked with British and Canadian physicians and they were all top notch, so it must be the system in England that is the issue. I do agree that people without insurance have a much more difficult time, but in my hospital we give tons of free care but when you are sick and have no money you don't want to go through the red tape. Congrads on being a citizen! keep us informed on you and your wife, alex
> Hey Alex > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >> > References: <pdY4e.30380$hU7.18766@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com> >> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.167.135.204 Mary Fisher - 08 Apr 2005 12:47 GMT > Hey Alex > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > answers > your question. If you left UK all that time ago you're not really in a position to comment on our system.
I've had brain surgery and follow-up, breast cancer surgery and treatment, physiotherapy, and several children. Spouse has had a heart attack and an unidentifiable neurological problem involving hospital stays and follow up treatment and a hip replacement. We've both had dental and optical treatment. We both take analgesics for arthritic pain for which we pay nothing (for the pills that is!)
For all those things we've had speedy and extremely efficient diagnoses and treatment and we've only had to pay a proportion of the cost of spectacles, nothing else.
We have no complaints. We've not had to have insurance or worries about whether it was good or bad or how to afford what we needed. If either of us has a problem it's attended to within a couple of weeks at the most, for instance two days ago I asked the GP about my hammer toes. He's referred me to a podiatrist and I'll have surgery to correct the problem.
I don't think many countries' citizens can claim the same record.
Mary
> Hp > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> > References: <pdY4e.30380$hU7.18766@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com> >> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.167.135.204 marilyn@utrillo.ac - 08 Apr 2005 14:55 GMT > for >instance two days ago I asked the GP about my hammer toes. He's referred me [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Mary Crossing my fingers for you Mary that you can get this fixed before next winter so you will be able to find boots that fit!
Marilyn
Mary Fisher - 08 Apr 2005 15:29 GMT >> the GP ... referred me >>to a podiatrist and I'll have surgery to correct the problem. > > Crossing my fingers for you Mary that you can get this fixed before > next winter so you will be able to find boots that fit! What I need is to be able to wear wellies on daughter's farm in snow and mud
:-( Thanks!
Mary
> Marilyn harry palmer - 08 Apr 2005 15:21 GMT > > Hey Alex > > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > >> > -------- Original Message -------- > >> > Path: border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.goog
> > le.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail > >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >> > References: <pdY4e.30380$hU7.18766@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com> > >> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.167.135.204 Sorry Mary I think I misled you. I chose to be an American at the age of 7 but left the UK for the last time in 1995. Also my mother just joined us last year and she was a diabetic. Sometimes she had to wait months for treatment that she gets here same day BUT we have to pay for it which is ok by us. I am so sorry to read about all the problems that you had and I am glad that you are spared the problems that we in the US have regarding insurance. I agree that all the doctors that I saw in the UK were top notch and could take the time with folks as it wasn't really considered a business as it seems to be in the states. I apologise if I denegrated the national health system and I wish you well.
Mary Fisher - 08 Apr 2005 15:43 GMT > Sorry Mary I think I misled you. I chose to be an American at the age of 7 > but left the UK for the last time in 1995. Also my mother just joined us > last year and she was a diabetic. Sometimes she had to wait months for > treatment that she gets here same day I have a daughter in law who is an insulin dependent diabetic, she was diagnosed and has been injecting since she was 18 months old. She gets very special treatment for eyes, circulation etc and even when pregnant has been looked after appropriately. One of her sons is ten, he was diagnosed as insulin dependent diabetic and the same applies to him.
Another son was in Australia last year when his 10 yo daughter became acutely ill and diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. She was helicoptered to a special children's hospital and stabilised. When son told the doctors that they lived in England the doctor was very pleased and said she'd have first class attention and treatment there, which has been true. All her needles, testing and other kit are provided free, as are Edmund's and his mother's.
I imagine that your mother is a type 2 diabetic, it's quite common among older people but it's treated seriously and I've never known any delays in treatment which have been due to the medical profession. It's very easy for patients to disregard danger signals and there might well be isolated incidents of the treatment not being up to scratch but I suspect they're exceptions.
Of course, if your mum had been prepared to pay here she wouldn't have had to wait ...
> BUT we have to pay for it which is ok > by us. It's not OK for everyone in USA though. We've had stories about such cases on this group.
> I am so sorry to read about all the problems that you had We don't regard them as problems. Things happen, they're dealt with. We're jolly pleased to have facilities we don't even know exist until we need them.
> and I am > glad that you are spared the problems that we in the US have regarding > insurance. I agree that all the doctors that I saw in the UK were top > notch That's not the impression I've had from some of the things you say.
> and could take the time with folks as it wasn't really considered a > business > as it seems to be in the states. I apologise if I denegrated the national > health system and I wish you well. As I wish you and your wife, as I said from the first.
Mary
harry palmer - 08 Apr 2005 17:21 GMT > > Sorry Mary I think I misled you. I chose to be an American at the age of 7 > > but left the UK for the last time in 1995. Also my mother just joined us [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Mary Ok I seem to have upset up and I can read that we have better things to attend to than this, let me leave this group on a high note saying that the help you gave me was invaluable and I thank you all for that. Please keep up the good work and rest assured that you definitely helped one person this week.
A. P. Thorsen - 08 Apr 2005 17:40 GMT > Ok I seem to have upset up and I can read that we have better things to > attend to than this, let me leave this group on a high note saying that the > help you gave me was invaluable and I thank you all for that. Please keep up > the good work and rest assured that you definitely helped one person this > week. Please don't leave, harry . . . and especially, please don't leave upset!
Every once in a while, in a group of very diverse individuals, we're bound to have some differences of opinion. Please don't take that personally. Though you started this thread, it's a group conversation, not a series of pairwise ones. If a thread loses interest for you, it's OK to drop participating in that one, even if you began it (before it wandered).
You're very welcome here, regardless of whether we agree or disagree with you on specific points. The breast cancer experience (as patients or caregivers) is what binds us togetether, and overrides any other differences.
As an aside: I think perhaps we all have a level of nationalistic pride about the positive side of our health care systems. Also, I think they are nearly always unclearly understood by those in other countries.
One tends to hear the horror stories about other countries' systems, because people are more likely to talk to others when they're *un*happy vs. satisfied, and because "those guys'" problems make exciting stories for journalists who don't understand all the nuances.
In practice, there are pros & cons of the approaches most developed countries use. Of course <grin>, "our" system is best -- regardless of which country "we" are!
Hope you'll stick with us, Harry!
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Mary Fisher - 08 Apr 2005 19:39 GMT >> Ok I seem to have upset up and I can read that we have better things to >> attend to than this, let me leave this group on a high note saying that [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > caregivers) is what binds us togetether, and overrides any other > differences. I agree.
> As an aside: I think perhaps we all have a level of nationalistic pride > about the positive side of our health care systems. Also, I think they > are nearly always unclearly understood by those in other countries. I agree.
> One tends to hear the horror stories about other countries' systems, > because people are more likely to talk to others when they're *un*happy > vs. satisfied, and because "those guys'" problems make exciting stories > for journalists who don't understand all the nuances. I agree.
> In practice, there are pros & cons of the approaches most developed > countries use. Of course <grin>, "our" system is best -- regardless of > which country "we" are! I don't agree.
> Hope you'll stick with us, Harry! I agree.
Mary
alex - 08 Apr 2005 16:04 GMT Didn't want to start a controversy, but on these boards I often see the American Health care system trashed. I could list all the treatments my family has had with no cost to us. Also we had the freedom to choose where we wanted treatment which is critical to us.
My only experience with a National Health Care System was with my daughter, she lived in Austraila for a sememster in school. She was not allowed to get a visa until we paid a National Health care insurance ( I believe it was over $500 for 3 months). When she needed to see a doctor ( for a intestinal parasite) she was asked for a credit card, which she provided we paided out of pocket. When she sprained her ankle she went to the emerency room and was verbally harrased, she was asked for cash up infront. Needless to say, I am not impressed. Alex
Tim Jackson - 08 Apr 2005 20:46 GMT > Didn't want to start a controversy, but on these boards I often see the > American Health care system trashed. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > sprained her ankle she went to the emerency room and was verbally harrased, > she was asked for cash up infront. Needless to say, I am not impressed. Alex I think Brits are currently a little sensitive about criticism of the NHS for domestic reasons. The system has been used somewhat as a political football lately, especially with the upcoming general election and it seems to be in everyone's (politics, media) interest to denigrate the system so as to show how much they could improve it.
So people who actually work in the NHS or have any real experience of it tend to get defensive rather easily.
It -is- a one-size-fits-all system, so it will never provide the level of service the better off can get in the US. There is a private service available for those who wish to pay for faster or more comfortable service. It -is- "free at the point of use", so no-one gets refused treatment they clinically need. I don't think anyone really disputes that the quality of care is world class although of course it has its faults. And unlike some other European systems, it is nationally affordable.
Those who have most cause to complain are probably those awaiting low-urgency or elective surgery, for which there tend to be long queues. In the context of breast cancer, queues are not usually an issue.
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alex - 10 Apr 2005 23:36 GMT Thanks for qualifying your answer, I don't know what would be the best health care system, perhaps a blend of the NHS and the American system? The American system is always a political issue even when there isn't an election. I do realize the American system is flawed, but I haven't found one better.
Alex
PS How does the NHS handle cases like Teri Schiavo? I have been curious.
Tim Jackson - 11 Apr 2005 08:50 GMT > PS How does the NHS handle cases like Teri Schiavo? I have been curious. > Where there is a dispute between parties involved over life support, here as there the courts decide, and as in that one, cases do occasionally go to appeal. That is how it should be. What seems odd to us about the Schaivo case is the involvement of politicians and religious groups.
There was a lot of medical clap-trap talked in our media, but as far as I could see it was just a dispute as to whether the patient had any practical chance of recovery, and what wishes she might have expressed for this eventuality.
People die under medical care every day, it is the normal way to go, and most do not dispute whether they are dead or not, but a few teeter on the edge of definition. Really, if it's that close a call, in my personal view one might as well toss a coin.
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A. P. Thorsen - 11 Apr 2005 00:58 GMT > I think Brits are currently a little sensitive about criticism of the > NHS for domestic reasons. Likewise here, but different specifics. It's a political football here, too.
> It -is- a one-size-fits-all system, so it will never provide the level > of service the better off can get in the US. And being a little sensitive <grin>, I'd quibble slightly at the implication. To be accurate, I'd have to read "the better off" as being average working people. Statistically speaking, typical Americans get pretty good health care, and with manageable out-of-pocket cost.
Something like 85% of us have health insurance. Some health insurance covers virtually everything (from preventive care to catastrophic), sometimes with a co-pay (often not very large). But other health insurance may cover only catastrophic costs, pay only a percentage (e.g., 80%), or have other limitations.
There are compassionate programs of various types that help people who don't have health insurance, though these are not universal and often not well publicized. Family/friend organized fundraising events (e.g., dances, concerts, etc.) are not unheard of for people with catastropic costs.
Also, the uninsured have some tendency to be disproportionately in groups that aren't heavy health care consumers (e.g., young adults), so there's some economic behavior behind the figures, too.
It's far from perfect, but also not the apalling "everyone but the rich go wanting" picture that I think sometimes may be painted.
If you're in the minority who can't afford care and can't get it, this doesn't matter, of course . . . but I'd expect the pluses of the NHS don't matter if you are in the minority who experience the minuses.
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J - 08 Apr 2005 03:06 GMT > J and Burt, what does this have to do with breast cancer? Ask Burt, if you dare. His email is not munged. Tim would understand since something similar happened to him on alt.support.cancer http://tinyurl.com/6z5tl 2nd one down is Tim's clarification that 3rd post/thread down was not him. I have the right to make same clarification here. (each time that Burt posts as "J") J
alex - 08 Apr 2005 12:16 GMT You made your point, I often see people post with the name "alex" it is a common one, We can see the posters email address, and know who is, you made your point, there are two "j's" . I know Whoever it is is trying to get your goat and is doing this. Please no endless posts It's me , no it's not me, etc, etc, etc.
A. report the person to the ISP B. Move on life it too short!
I don't know if you can own the name "J" any more than I can own "alex".
>> J and Burt, what does this have to do with breast cancer? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > posts as "J") > J Glenfiddich - 07 Apr 2005 19:21 GMT > I live in Chicago and my wife has just called me to tell me that the lump >in her breast is cancer and she is going to have a Lumpectomy as soon as [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >http://www.prevention.com/article/0,5778,s1-1-93-43-4453-1,00.html that has >helped a little. Thank you in advance for any help you can offer. Our culture places a high value on outward appearances, and that will inevitably have some effect on her. As her husband, the obvious thing you can do is reassure her that even if she lost her whole breast, it will not change how you feel about her - any more than it would if she lost an ear in an accident. This may seem obvious to you, but it won't hurt to tell it to her very clearly and convincingly.
Also, she'll be scared, depressed and grouchy at times - you must be understanding and supportive.
Read the rest of the ng for the many tips on what she may have to go through, how chemo and radiation might affect her, so you will be prepared for what you both face.
Oh, and do try to go with her for meetings with her doctors; fighting BC should be a team effort. If you have children or other close relatives, brief them on the situation, too.
Pamela Cook - 07 Apr 2005 20:17 GMT > > I live in Chicago and my wife has just called me to tell me that the lump > >in her breast is cancer and she is going to have a Lumpectomy as soon as [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >http://www.prevention.com/article/0,5778,s1-1-93-43-4453-1,00.html that has > >helped a little. Thank you in advance for any help you can offer. hi harry, Sorry you've had to join the group. but welcome to you and your wife.... this group has been really helpful for me since being diagnosed with bc.... What is your wifes name? we will be hoping for the best for her... Pam xx
harry palmer - 07 Apr 2005 22:03 GMT > > > I live in Chicago and my wife has just called me to tell me that the > lump [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > her... > Pam xx thank you and I am really sorry to hear that Pam. I'd like to keep my wife's name out of it for now, typing it in connection with this would be too much for me. Thank you for your kind thoughts and we will be thinking about you as well.
Mary Fisher - 07 Apr 2005 20:57 GMT > Our culture places a high value on outward appearances, and that will > inevitably have some effect on her. It's NOT inevitable. Many of us have a realistic approach to life and choose to be ourselves whether or not that co-incides with what others think.
Mary
harry palmer - 07 Apr 2005 22:04 GMT > > Our culture places a high value on outward appearances, and that will > > inevitably have some effect on her. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mary All I can say is that I could care less what she looks like just so long as we are together. Hope that clears that up.
Hp
Brooke Mayne - 11 Apr 2005 14:44 GMT it happended to my mom it was scary bt if caught early she will be ok
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