I haven't been posting as of late too much here but thought I'd update. I will
be having a surgical consult real soon re. the 'tumor' in my submandibular
node (gland?). This morning, though, I am most concerned because the rash on
the non-malignant side which has been coming and going for the last month on
the chest are of non-malignant side is quite profuse. (I had IBC along with 2
other types of bc at time of dx--and had bilateral mastectomy, chemo,
radiation, more chemo) but no radiation to non-malignant side. I am a bit
worried about that.
Although I have not officially been dx'd with mets--I am sure that something
re. the b.c. has been going on all the time--based on results of first CT scan
done 1 week after original surgery, # of involved lymph nodes and other
particulars about patholoty report--including elevated tumor markers at time of
dx.
I have had 2 scan reports that have been wrong--actually sure there are
many--but won't get into that here. I will just share results of 2 PET scans
and 2 CT scans. In 8/02 I had first PET. It showed some increased activity in
different areas--L4/L5 region of lower back and submandibular node. In regard
to L4/L5 it said follow up MRI should be done if there were symptoms. There
were but no follow up MRI was done--not until much later when pain progressed
to severe sciatic pain during night when lying down. Cyst or mass was noted
but neither tested/confirmed/or ruled out. However, getting back to original
report--I asked about submandibular and was told it was an 'incidental'
finding. Nobody was concerned. In fact I had another PET scan done in 9/04.
It was reported to be normal. I called and asked if it had been compared with
first PET. It had not been. I was told they had no copy of it. I brought in
copy of films and report and dr. told me she did see it but was not going to
change report and made it seem like it was nothing.
I then had a regular CT scan done by health care facility and report came back
indicating things were better than ever. No enlarged retroperitoneal nodes
were noted, per report, nor anything else of concern. 2 weeks later I have
full body CT scan which I was hesitant to do because I had just had other one
done. It was recommended by private 2nd opinion onc--'cause radiologist who
did it had understanding about my type of b.c. (lobular) because of personal
involvement.
After full body CT one has consultation with radiologist. The first thing he
asked me was how long I had the tumor in my neck. Huh??? What tumor in my
neck??? He then pointed out the one in submandibular area that nobody had paid
attention to. He then went on to tell me I had a nodule on my
thyroid--wonderful (NOT). And, not only did I have enlarged retroperitoneal
nodes--there were now 30 to 40 and there was an enlarged mediastinal node. So
maybe that's why the Cellsearch test was showing circulating tumor cells in my
blood) and that there really is/was evidence of something going on??? The
radiologist told me that the other CT scan report done 2 weeks earlier was
wrong. (I had also brought in copy of films).
So--what to do. I first had ultrasound and FNA biopsy of thyroid. That was
supposedly negative but there were some follicular cells. The night I had the
biopsy I read up on thyroid cancer and learned, GULP, that if one has had
radiation to that area that they shouldn't be doing a FNA but should remove the
node. I read this in book co-authored by dr. on cancer who had referred me to
place to get special CT scan done. He had told me to get it checked out but he
never mentioned that I shouldn't have FNA if I had radiation. I am not sure
that it even crossed his mind that I had had it. I didn't know I wasn't
supposed to have a FNA at time it was done. I had no information about it
either way until AFTER it was done. I later called the endocrinologist who did
it and she said she didn't know I had had radiation. WONDERFUL (NOT)!
I emailed the 2nd opinion onc and mentioned that I had read that if one had
radiation one should not have FNA. He has never responded to that email. I
did not say that he told me to have that done nor that he should have known
about it. I am not going to do anything about it anyway.
As far as the submandibular tumor--we will have surgery consult. We did ask
about getting private PET/CT scan done and onc was willing to order but thought
we should take care of surgery first--makes sense. I could do FNA of this
area--but have been reading more and more that FNA can cause tumor seeding and
there is risk of false negative. And, although I am guessing it could be
treated by radiation, it was suggested to us that it be removed and maintained
through special process to allow future chemo testing or vaccine to be made.
If the tumor is not bc-related it was then recommended that biopsy be done of
retroperitoneal nodes--not looking forward to that at all...ugh...Meanwhile, I
have been busy working full-time, staying out-of-trouble---kind of ;-)
Liz & Martin Walton - 06 Feb 2005 09:02 GMT
Hi Kaye,
Sorry to hear you are having even more problems. We corresponded a few times
in the past year. You sent me info on Lobular BC. We seem to have had a few
similarities.
Like you they also found nodules on my thyroid, with one dominant nodule. As
I was having chemo at the time (for a recurrence) and also was on blood
thinners my endo did not want to biopsy it until everything was over. I am
going to have a needle biopsy on March 10th. It needs to be done at the
hospital because it is deep and they want to use ultrasound. I am interested
in hearing about the radiation thing!!! I had radiation when I was first
diagnosed in 2000. What is the reasoning behind this?
Hope all goes well. Let me know how things work out.
Liz.
> I haven't been posting as of late too much here but thought I'd update. I will
> be having a surgical consult real soon re. the 'tumor' in my submandibular
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> retroperitoneal nodes--not looking forward to that at all...ugh...Meanwhile, I
> have been busy working full-time, staying out-of-trouble---kind of ;-)
J - 06 Feb 2005 10:22 GMT
> Like you they also found nodules on my thyroid, with one dominant nodule. As
> I was having chemo at the time (for a recurrence) and also was on blood
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> in hearing about the radiation thing!!! I had radiation when I was first
> diagnosed in 2000. What is the reasoning behind this?
Some thyroid disorders and thyroid cancers are treated with (surgery and) RAI
(radioactive iodine)
If I recall correctly, they also use radioactive dye to look for cancer in the
thyroid.
http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/thyroid/RAI.html
So, a person may have to have "distance/time" between (certain) scans for other
things and testing or treatment for thyroid.
Thyroiditis is common. Women get it. I had a nodule. It was biopsied, benign, I
had a scan, I was put on thyroid hormone.
There's also something called multi-nodular thyroid. If it/they cause symptoms
(enlarged goitre), they sometimes remove them (is my understanding). But first
they often try thyroid hormone
You might find this helpful http://www.thyroid.ca/Guides/HG12.html re: the
radiation thing. If you were at "ground zero" of Chernobyl, that can play a role
in thyroid cancer, but I think it usually appears within a few years and in
kids, and that was years ago. Or irradiation of the neck for other reasons, the
connection is slim.
Best wishes,
Hoping it's just an incidental finding and you'll get the all clear.
I'm not a doctor - I am a thyroid patient :-)
J
Guess Who - 06 Feb 2005 15:46 GMT
Hi Kaye,
Cancer grows at a rapid rate, considering you have not had chemo since your
inital treamtnent any tumor or mass present in 2002 would now be bigger if
cancerous. How are you feeling? Keep us informed, alex
Barb - 06 Feb 2005 23:48 GMT
Hello Kaye,
I too am sorry to hear that you are continuing to have problems. I think of
you often and will be continuing to hold you in thoughts and prayers as you
do the required testing and waiting. Sure hope that you get some
encouragement soon.
Hugs,
Barb