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Greta - 06 Oct 2004 00:42 GMT
Hi,
Expected to finally hear a final word from onc today - nope - MRI
confirmed bone scan suspicion - now a biopsy of iliac (sp?) - and a body
CAT scan are planned - beginning to be frightened. Long haul from
mastectomy (r) on 8/24 er+ - sentinel node positive - other 18 -.
MD did not expect anything more in the beginning.
Is this usually the case - that things appear to get worse in the workup
process?
Greta
Guess Who - 06 Oct 2004 01:42 GMT
I don't know if things are getting worse, or you are getting overloaded with
questions and no answers.Alex

> Hi,
> Expected to finally hear a final word from onc today - nope - MRI
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> process?
> Greta
C. Falise - 06 Oct 2004 07:30 GMT
greta-
unfortunately for some of us, like myself for example, that is how it goes.
it stinks.
i know exactly how you're feeling.  it took nearly a month of workups and
scans for me to get the entire picture of my particular cancer.  every
result was more bad news.  i was scared out of my mind and felt like the
world was closing in around me.
i had a lot of panic attacks, i must admit.
you used an important word - appear.   this whole process is always so
overwhelming.  sometimes it takes a while for us to realize things might not
actually be as bad as they appear.
in fact, we ask questions, talk to people, and in time we realize that we
can deal with it, whatever it is.
the worst thing we can do is worry about things that haven't happenned yet.
hang in there.  keep posting.
be well, and be good to yourself.  do something you enjoy.
i hope that helps.
i'll hope for good news for you from here on out...
-christina

> Hi,
> Expected to finally hear a final word from onc today - nope - MRI
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> process?
> Greta
Greta - 06 Oct 2004 22:10 GMT
> greta-
> unfortunately for some of us, like myself for example, that is how it goes.
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>>process?
>>Greta

Thanks C.
I am feeling better today and are you ever correct!  No sense worrying
about what's still unknown. I went to my digital photo class today and
got my mind working on something else.
Greta
Greta - 22 Oct 2004 18:22 GMT
>> greta-
>> unfortunately for some of us, like myself for example, that is how it
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>>
>> "Greta" <sarek-gmc@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
Hi,
Well today was the day-saw onc. for final diag. - I have gone from
localized Stage 11 to Stage 1V - final biopsy showed metastasis - one
bone tumor on iliac - given Femara and will have Zometa injection once
monthly.
The onc. said nothing appeared anywhere else - but it would eventually
kill me - but at 74 I still can't complain too much I guess.
Thanks all!
Greta
Silverstar - 22 Oct 2004 21:08 GMT
> >> greta-
> >> unfortunately for some of us, like myself for example, that is how it
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> Thanks all!
> Greta

Greta,
I'm so sorry for your diagnosis.. all my thoughts and prayers are with you
that you will have lots more happy years before this takes its toll.
Thinking of you,
Rhonda
Greta - 24 Oct 2004 18:24 GMT
>>>>greta-
>>>>unfortunately for some of us, like myself for example, that is how it
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>>bone tumor on iliac - given Femara and will have Zometa injection once
>>monthly.
(snip)
>>Greta

> Greta,
> I'm so sorry for your diagnosis.. all my thoughts and prayers are with you(snip)
> Rhonda
Hi,
Can someone clue me in and advise as to how long before Femara begins to
work and how they decide if it is working?
Thanks
Greta
Tim Jackson - 24 Oct 2004 19:43 GMT
>>>>> "Greta" <sarek-gmc@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>
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> Thanks
> Greta

It is not so much knowing how long it takes to start working, which is
probably pretty immediately, but how long before it has a noticeable
effect, or more importantly, a noticeable failure.  What they are
looking for is any evidence of advancement of the disease - more
tumours, larger tumours, skeletal damage, increasing pain, markers
continuing to increase, etc.

At stage IV, if the treatment is stabilising the disease, and halting
its advance, then that is considered acceptable for the moment.

I think if the disease was continuing to progress after a two or three
months they would want to try something else.

Tim Jackson
Kathleen Langwell - 24 Oct 2004 21:21 GMT
Greta,

I chose to go on Arimidex rather than do weekly taxol for my lung mets.
I have some lymph nodes at the base of my neck that feel like  they're
pea sized that I keep feeling to see if they're still detectable. So far
they are but the onc. said it would probably be about 4 months before
there would be noticeable improvement I could detect. I started the
Arimidex about 2 months ago (Sept. 1st). She said if more immediate
improvement is the goal then chemo is the best choice.

I'll be happy to stay stabilized at minimum and feel better, which I do.
As Tim says, sometimes you knock the tumors out in one place and they
soon pop up in another. If things don't get worse or spread further I'll
consider the Arimidex working.

Kathie
C. Falise - 25 Oct 2004 00:08 GMT
i'm sorry to hear this greta.  i was really hoping you're work up wouldn't
turn out like mine did.  so, here we are.  stage 4 isn't so bad though.
it's doable.
you're doing the same treatment as i am.  it's been working for me for one
year (yesterday was my anniversary of diagnosis).  by working i mean that
many of my tumors have either stabilized or disappeared, and so far i have
no new stuff.  it was a pretty immediate thing.  within 3 weeks  my tumor
markers dropped by 50%.  then another 50% drop a month later, and so on for
the first 3 or so months.  my ca 27-29 then settled around 20 or so and has
stayed there ever since.  it was originally 247.  this has been accompanied
by a reduction in pain and a better quality of life.
one thing i will warn you about is possible "flare".  it's an immediate
increase in symptoms that sometimes happens at the very beginning of
treatment.  don't let it throw you.  it will go away pretty quickly as the
treatment begins to really do it's work.
other than that, this treatment isn't so bad.  a few aches and pains should
be about it.  this was an important concern to me also - the quality of life
issue.
i hope that you do well with this.  i know a woman here who is stage 4 and
has been stabilized on this treatment for over 3 years.  she is another one
of my onc's patients.  it's encouraging.
hang in there.
:)
-christina

> >>>>greta-
> >>>>unfortunately for some of us, like myself for example, that is how it
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> Thanks
> Greta
Greta - 25 Oct 2004 00:33 GMT
> i'm sorry to hear this greta.  i was really hoping you're work up wouldn't
> turn out like mine did.  so, here we are.  stage 4 isn't so bad though.
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>>Thanks
>>Greta

Thanks ever so much for all the replies - they calm the shock.
Greta
Tony Lima - 25 Oct 2004 00:53 GMT
>>> greta-
>>> unfortunately for some of us, like myself for example, that is how it
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>The onc. said nothing appeared anywhere else - but it would eventually
>kill me - but at 74 I still can't complain too much I guess.

Greta, try to avoid forecasting.  Medical technology is
changing rapidly.  Focus on the short term future and
keeping yourself healthy today and tomorrow.  You may want
to consider some form of reduced fat diet, but be sure to
keep enough protein in your system.  Cold-water fish are
usually recommended.

Sorry to hear the news, but people can and do live with
stage IV cancer for years.  Keep your spirits up as much as
you can and try not to think about the inevitable.  After
all, no one gets out of this life alive. - Tony

Love and light,
Tony Lima
JLMA115 - 31 Oct 2004 06:03 GMT
Hi Greta.  Sorry to be responding so late to your message dated 10/5.  What
were the results of your scans?  My thoughts are with you.  I went through a
bone mets diagnosis in 2002 and the tests and the waiting were the most
difficult part.

Janice A.
Stage IV Metastatic Breast CA
Greta - 05 Nov 2004 01:30 GMT
> Hi Greta.  Sorry to be responding so late to your message dated 10/5.  What
> were the results of your scans?  My thoughts are with you.  I went through a
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> Janice A.
> Stage IV Metastatic Breast CA
Hi Janice and Everyone,
My 'picture" seems to get worse - originally "early" invasive BC - then
a malignancy on the iliac and this week I saw my internist and we went
over my CAT scan (the one test I had not been copied) and learned there
was "something" on my liver (the oncologist did not mention this). It is
8mm - too small to investigate at this point. Radiation has not been
suggested for the iliac nor has chemo or tamoxafin - only Femara and
Zometa infusions. Is it usual for news (initial suspicion of "early" BC
in mid-July) to progress in this fashion?
Greta
A. P. Thorsen - 08 Nov 2004 18:21 GMT
> My 'picture" seems to get worse - originally "early" invasive BC - then
> a malignancy on the iliac and this week I saw my internist and we went
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> Zometa infusions. Is it usual for news (initial suspicion of "early" BC
> in mid-July) to progress in this fashion?

Haven't seen an answer to this question yet, so I'll hazard one.

Is it "usual" for initial suspicion of early BC to progress to a
diagnosis of metastatic BC over a period of just a few months?  No.
Most BC found these days is early, and the overwhelming percentage of
that is treated & does not metastasize.

Is it impossible or unheard of for doctors to think they're dealing with
a small, localized tumor at first, then find -- as they do more tests --
that it has spread?  Unfortunately, it happens sometimes, but quite
infrequently.

I'm very sorry you've turned out to be on the unhappy side of those
odds, Greta!  I'm glad you're keeping us up to date on how you're doing.

If we can answer questions or offer support, please say so.  Sending
positive thoughts --

Ann T.
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