Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Breast Cancer / September 2004
is anyone watching these posts?
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C. Falise - 11 Sep 2004 23:00 GMT i have been an active member of this board for some time. i keep coming back here because i find great information, great support, and occasionally i have something to offer the group. i haven't looked here for a week or two, as i was out of town. when i came back this afternoon to catch up, i saw some very disturbing posts and i have to ask, is anyone watching here? why should we have to read posts about pornography and rape scenes when we come here for support and info? i have to admit, i'm a little angry about it. is there any way to keep this stuff off this board? there's so much of it everywhere, i don't want this board to be corrupted by it, if possible. just asking. -christina
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Greta - 11 Sep 2004 23:37 GMT > i have been an active member of this board for some time. i keep coming > back here because i find great information, great support, and occasionally [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > just asking. > -christina you can block the sender with your software. The only other way as far as I know would be to develop a monitored newsgroup - however such a group presents a whole set of new problems because the decision to allow a post would be vested in a few people. Greta
Eva - 12 Sep 2004 00:56 GMT > > ....why should we have to read posts about pornography and rape scenes when we
> > come here for support and info? > > i have to admit, i'm a little angry about it. is there any way to keep this > > stuff off this board? ....
> you can block the sender with your software. The only other way as far > as I know would be to develop a monitored newsgroup - however such a > group presents a whole set of new problems because the decision to allow > a post would be vested in a few people. ------------ I never saw any posts about pornography and rape scenes here, so I would guess my ISP already filtered them out. What I have seen are a bunch of crazy off-topic religious posts.
Eva
Mary Fisher - 12 Sep 2004 09:10 GMT > > > ....why should we have to read posts about pornography and rape scenes > when we [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > guess my ISP already filtered them out. What I have seen are a bunch of > crazy off-topic religious posts. I haven't seen any porn or religious posts but I don't open anything with a subject which isn't relevant. It's dumped.
Mary
> Eva Sandy L - 12 Sep 2004 02:44 GMT >i have been an active member of this board for some time. i keep coming > back here because i find great information, great support, and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > just asking. > -christina As with Eva, I have not seen any pornographic etc material for at least a couple of weeks. I could usually tell it was nothing I would be interested in without opening the posts and just deleted them. It was a nuisance,but didn't stop me from reading. Sandy L
Kaye301 - 12 Sep 2004 21:46 GMT There were 2 posts with that in the subject heading that came through on 9/5 but I didn't open any of them so don't know if they were actually dealing with that or someone protesting or commenting re. such. However, there were at leaat 9 posts included, with subjects written in capital letters, dealing with spirituality, supreme being, and forms of an after-life, which are also inappropriate. And as far as the subject heading "Re: is anyone watching these posts?" I have been having a mail problem with only this email name. Apparently posts are being sent with this name--but not by me. One newsgroup which I subscribe to received a post related to b.c. and exercise--not sent by me but which had to be downloaded. I don't send posts that need downloading -- at least not purposefully -- to anyone other than a single person at a time, if at all. However, this post went to an email list. I am not sure whether someone has gotten access to my account or it was a virus (to which I foolishly thought I was immune using a MAC, aol, and dial-up). Anyway, it was posted to the list with a warning that it might be spam. I don't do 'spam.' If anyone has any idea on what may be happening--would appreciate the feedback. Thanks in advance.
Mary Fisher - 12 Sep 2004 22:02 GMT > If anyone has any idea on what may be happening--would appreciate the feedback. I think we simply have to be very vigilant.
Mary
> Thanks in advance. Tim Jackson - 13 Sep 2004 00:17 GMT > There were 2 posts with that in the subject heading that came through on 9/5 > but I didn't open any of them so don't know if they were actually dealing with [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > If anyone has any idea on what may be happening--would appreciate the feedback. > Thanks in advance. I would think that your email address has been 'harvested' and is being used as a fake 'from' address by spammers. This is one of the techniques they use to try to defeat spam filters, they have to ensure their fake return address is actually a valid address. You can tell when this is happening because you get nonsense emails saying "Undeliverable mail" as the viruses etc. get trapped and "returned to sender" i.e. bounced back to you, the apparent sender. This can happen to anyone who posts their real address on Usenet or puts it on the world-wide-web.
It isn't your fault, it doesn't mean there is a virus on your machine, it doesn't mean anyone has accessed your account and there isn't anything you can do about it. This is one sort of identity theft, which is common. That said, while I have had my address used lots of times for spam email, I've never seen it sent to Usenet, that is rather harder. Are you sure it was a -newsgroup- and not a list server or website bulletin board.
Tim
Kaye301 - 14 Sep 2004 04:41 GMT That makes sense but don't think I explained very well. In my case, I was referring to the list of posts when I went to the newsgroups through UseNet. None of them showed up in my private email.
Tim wrote << I would think that your email address has been 'harvested' and is being used as a fake 'from' address by spammers. This is one of the techniques they use to try to defeat spam filters, they have to ensure their fake return address is actually a valid address. You can tell when this is happening because you get nonsense emails saying "Undeliverable mail" as the viruses etc. get trapped and "returned to sender" i.e. bounced back to you, the apparent sender. This can happen to anyone who posts their real address on Usenet or puts it on the world-wide-web.
It isn't your fault, it doesn't mean there is a virus on your machine, it doesn't mean anyone has accessed your account and there isn't anything you can do about it. This is one sort of identity theft, which is common. That said, while I have had my address used lots of times for spam email, I've never seen it sent to Usenet, that is rather harder. Are you sure it was a -newsgroup- and not a list server or website bulletin board. >><BR><BR>
Kaye wrote: << > There were 2 posts with that in the subject heading that came through on 9/5
> but I didn't open any of them so don't know if they were actually dealing with
> that or someone protesting or commenting re. such. However, there were at > leaat 9 posts included, with subjects written in capital letters, dealing with
> spirituality, supreme being, and forms of an after-life, which are also > inappropriate. > And as far as the subject heading "Re: is anyone watching these posts?" I have
> been having a mail problem with only this email name. Apparently posts are
> being sent with this name--but not by me. One newsgroup which I subscribe to
> received a post related to b.c. and exercise--not sent by me but which had to
> be downloaded. I don't send posts that need downloading -- at least not > purposefully -- to anyone other than a single person at a time, if at all.
> However, this post went to an email list. I am not sure whether someone has
> gotten access to my account or it was a virus (to which I foolishly thought I
> was immune using a MAC, aol, and dial-up). Anyway, it was posted to the list
> with a warning that it might be spam. I don't do 'spam.' > If anyone has any idea on what may be happening--would appreciate the feedback.
> Thanks in advance. >><BR><BR> bell-lady - 13 Sep 2004 13:05 GMT Another way you name can show up in a spam From field" Someone who has your email address in their address book has contracted a virus/worm etc. whose job it is is to use the address book both as from and to addresses, send to anywhere it can send to! No fault of yours!
NOTE: Anyone who thinks they may have a trojan/worm/virus...free help: Download from download.com: AdAware and SpyBot Install them; use their update button to update its definitions after installing. Then run the programs and let them repair anything they finds. Also ABSOLUTELY be sure your are not only running an anti-virus program, but that its virus definitions are up to date (double click on its icon; most have the 'database date' or 'definitions date' on their main screen.). Ann in PA
To Tim: How does one enroll in a newsgroup without their real email address, and many sites online require a REAL email address (one that works) before you can do stuff there. I can't remember if newsgroups do allow fakes tho.., seems like I used the word AT or UNDERSCORE instead of the symbols...
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Tim Jackson - 13 Sep 2004 21:22 GMT > To Tim: > How does one enroll in a newsgroup without their real email address, and > many sites online require a REAL email address (one that works) before you > can do stuff there. I can't remember if newsgroups do allow fakes tho.., > seems like I used the word AT or UNDERSCORE instead of the symbols... Um, you -are- using a fake address.
"Subscribing" to a Usenet newsgroup is something your computer does internally, there is no registration with any server. All it does is tell you computer to keep a list of messages for that group. When you download it just requests message lists for the groups you are 'subscribed' to. What you do enrol in is a news account with your ISP, but any information given there does not appear in your posts.
When you post a message, your computer inserts certain header records, normally including a 'from' address. In unmoderated groups (like this one) the address is not usually checked for validity, and you can put what you like (in the news account properties under the tools/accounts menu item in Outlook Express). Further header records are added by your ISP when the message is posted, eg identifying the originating server and message-id. This can be used to trace the posting user in cases of abuse if the 'from' addresses is invalid.
If you post to a moderated newsgroup (unlike this one) then your post first goes to a (human or robotic) moderator who decides whether it should be posted. One criterion is usually whether you (i.e. the identity named in the reply address) have posted before.
However that is Usenet, which is where we are. There are other things around that look like newsgroups but aren't Usenet. These are websites, usually called forums, they are accessed by web browsers (like Internet Explorer), not newsgroup/email browsers like OE. These can make their own rules about who can post and usually involve some degree of moderation. Just to confuse you, Google provides access to Usenet through the Web, but it's still Usenet, what Google provides is a gateway between the protocols.
Tim
Sandy L - 13 Sep 2004 11:02 GMT >>i have been an active member of this board for some time. i keep coming >> back here because i find great information, great support, and [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > nuisance,but didn't stop me from reading. > Sandy L Well, the charm ended. There were four with obscene titles this morning. I have been told that they quite often contain viruses, soopening them even out of curiosity is unwise. Just delete them.
Tim Jackson - 12 Sep 2004 08:42 GMT > i saw some very disturbing posts and i have > to ask, is anyone watching here? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > stuff off this board? there's so much of it everywhere, i don't want this > board to be corrupted by it, if possible. Christina, this is an unmoderated "alt" Usenet newsgroup, which means in principle that anyone is free to post whatever they like, and no-one controls anything. Any restrictions are effectively imposed by individual ISPs, or down to the powers of persuasion of group members. This is anarchy in action.
First perhaps a little explanation of how Usenet works would be in order. Usenet is a broadcast news medium which predates the internet. In its present incarnation, it utilises 'idle' time on the internet to propagate posts around the world. When you post a message on a newsgroup, you send it to your ISP's news server. Your ISP then broadcasts it on the internet. All ISP news servers (millions of them) listen for broadcasts, and store them on their hard disks. As some are inevitably missed there is a mechanism for 'peer' servers to check against each other to fill in any gaps. The news servers decide whether to store a message depending on such things as whether they intend to carry that newsgroup, and whether they have enough disk space for that class of message (eg text or "binary" (usually graphics) may be different classes). Then when you read the posts in a newsgroup you are accessing the copies stored on your own ISP's news server. Each article is only transmitted over the internet once, but many copies are stored.
This is quite different from the world-wide-web, where a single copy of the data is stored on one server and is transmitted separately to each reader around the world on demand, and so each article is transmitted many many times. There are also Usenet-to-Web servers around, like Google.
Most ISP's would consider it a breach of their conditions of use to post offensive or blatantly off-topic material on Usenet. It is harder to conceal the origin of Usenet posts than say email, so it is always worth reporting Usenet spam to the originating ISP, which you can find in the headers, as a "complaints-to" field, also as the last part of the "message-id" field.
Of course there are uncontrolled spammers around, and most ISPs also implement some level of spam filtering to remove these, eg by looking for cross-posts to certain 'fake' newsgroups the no-one really posts to. Like others, I haven't seen any recent porn spam, so my ISP has obviously filtered out what you are seeing.
So in this case your first port-of-call would be a complaint to your own ISP's news service.
Tim Jackson
C. Falise - 12 Sep 2004 23:09 GMT thanks everyone for clarifying this subject. especially thanks to tim for the thorough explanation of what the heck we're all doing here logistically. obviously, i have not quite mastered the electronic age. i just sort of stumble around till i find something good, like this group. hope everyone is well this weekend, and thanks again. i'll find a way around the stuff i don't want.
:) -christina
> i have been an active member of this board for some time. i keep coming > back here because i find great information, great support, and occasionally [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > just asking. > -christina DebITRC - 13 Sep 2004 16:23 GMT Besides checking with your own ISP as Tim suggests, I recommend just getting over it.
Spam tends to come in waves--the same message in every one of my varied (?) newsgroups. Does anyone else here read misc.fitness.weights? I thought not. It's pretty easy to spot and it takes more time to worry about it than to delete.
One of the drawbacks of this medium that lets us communicate in so many more ways than we could before.
Deb
*Annie* - 13 Sep 2004 07:59 GMT I'm seeing them here too. Infact there were 4 news ones when I logged on just now. I won't dignify them by giving "thread titles" {ugh!} I don't have the luxury of getting rid of them so I can't see them, as I'm on a Webtv. I truly wish there was more we could do also so that we didn't have to deal with them. {those of us that don't have the option of not seeing them} We can always hope that someday there will be a way to deal with this garbage, for lack of a better word and I do have them but "garbage" is polite in mixed company... ;-)) Take care there dear/God bless annie
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