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Ilena Rose - 26 Aug 2004 15:11 GMT http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5829110/
More Platinum Found in Women With Implants
By DIEDTRA HENDERSON The Associated Press
Updated: 9:03 a.m. ET Aug. 26, 2004WASHINGTON - Researchers have found high concentrations of platinum in women who got silicone breast implants and in the children they bore and breast-fed afterward.
The type of platinum found in the women's blood and urine was different than the traces of regular platinum not uncommon in people's bodies. It was a highly reactive platinum, used to help turn silicon oil into the honey-like gel that lends a more natural feel to a breast implant.
Concentrations were up to three times higher than in women who didn't have breast implants, according to findings by S.V.M. Maharaj, a chemist at American University. Maharaj was scheduled present the findings Thursday to the American Chemical Society in Philadelphia.
Ernest Lykissa, a forensic and clinical toxicologist who co-authored the paper, said the study's sample size was small. But Lykissa said it fairly represented hundreds of women with implants he's studied over the years.
Women who had implants the longest recorded the highest platinum concentrations. The heavy metal was also found in bone marrow, where blood cells are made.
Distinct from platinum released by catalytic converters in cars, platinum in implants is treated with nitric and hydrochloric acids and becomes very reactive, Lykissa said. The heavy metal readily binds in the human body, especially to nerve endings, short-circuiting communication with the brain.
"You see green, but you perceive a full moon," he said. "All of a sudden, your brain system is not working right."
Some women developed nervous tics, had faulty perception, and impaired hearing and eyesight, he said.
Children born to women with implants had problems with eyesight and hearing, too, but those nervous system disorders may have been caused by something else, he cautioned.
The Food and Drug Administration in January stunned plastic surgeons when, contradicting the advice of its expert panel, it rejected Inamed's bid to reintroduce silicone breast implants. After safety concerns rose, the FDA banned such implants in 1992 for most patients.
In January, the drug regulatory agency asked Inamed for more details about what happens when silicone seeps from the implant.
Dan Cohen, a spokesman for Santa Barbara, Calif.-based Inamed, said the company would speak in detail about its formal reply, submitted to the FDA earlier this month.
But at the FDA's October 2003 advisory board meeting, the company briefly discussed platinum dispersion and concentration in implant patients. The company has tracked those patients for three years.
"It was not an issue that anyone dwelled on _ either our presentation or the panel," Cohen said.
For its part, the FDA in 2002 surveyed scientific literature that indicated platinum leaks from implants into surrounding breast tissue. Researchers said they didn't find anything suggesting women had allergic responses to leached platinum.
Paul H. Wooley, director of research for orthopedic surgery at Wayne State University, said it's been suspected for at least a decade that heavy metals used in manufacturing might cause problems for women who receive implants.
"I'm not sure these questions have been answered because, in general, they haven't been asked," Wooley said. "For political reasons, working on breast-implant patients has been somewhat difficult to do."
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On the Web:
FDA: http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/breastimplants
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For more on the very real dangers of breast implants, please visit:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Jeff - 27 Aug 2004 02:19 GMT Can you please give us the journal link for this? I am sure a study this important has been published.
Jeff
Ilena Rose - 27 Aug 2004 04:07 GMT >Can you please give us the journal link for this? I am sure a study this >important has been published. > >Jeff Earlier today I re-read a thread with you and Davey Gorski claiming "no evidence" of any harm to children ...
Jeff - 27 Aug 2004 04:28 GMT > >Can you please give us the journal link for this? I am sure a study this > >important has been published. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Earlier today I re-read a thread with you and Davey Gorski claiming > "no evidence" of any harm to children ... Apparently, there is new evidence. Can you please provide the reference for this? A news report doesn't cut it.
Jeff
Ilena Rose - 27 Aug 2004 04:35 GMT >> >Can you please give us the journal link for this? I am sure a study this >> >important has been published. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Jeff LOL ... that's what I have right now ... you can deny the harm of breast implants to women and their offspring for years to come ... you've been doing it for years.
By the time you figure it out millions of women will already have puthemselves and their children at risk ...
Just why the Silicone Sellers pay ACSH and Junkscience.com and all their quacky front group shillls to fill these groups with "no evidence" BS.
Mary Fisher - 28 Aug 2004 16:46 GMT > >Can you please give us the journal link for this? I am sure a study this > >important has been published. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Earlier today I re-read a thread with you and Davey Gorski claiming > "no evidence" of any harm to children ... That reply doesn't give us the journal link ...
Mary
Ilena Rose - 28 Aug 2004 17:34 GMT >> >Can you please give us the journal link for this? I am sure a study this >> >important has been published. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Mary J P Utz was kind enough to locate this for us ... and his comments.
>Well, here's the "evidence": >http://oasys2.confex.com/acs/228nm/techprogram/P782000.HTM
>The fact of the matter is that this is a poster presented at a meeting. It >is not peer-reviewed or published.
>It is definitely food for thought, and may help scientists understand how >silicone implants may harm people, if it turns out they do. But it is >clearly preliminary, at beast. Actually ... it is not so new and not so preliminary. It is an issue that has been swept under the cover up as much as possible by the PR teams of the silicone manufacturers and plastic surgeons.
Some of the worst studies claiming to show "no link between breast implants and systemic illnesses" were peer reviewed, NEJM published, tiny, short, manufacuturer funded "studies" that looked for the diseases that the women do NOT have.
Platinum has been used for years in both saline and silicone implants ...
I will post some of the earlier works on this topic ... of course the Junk Science Team pooo pooohed and tried to "debunk" it ...
Thanks for asking ... and thanks to Jeff Utz of the HealthFraud Team for providing that link and dis medical degreed though not licensed for several years ... opinion.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 28 Aug 2004 17:40 GMT CORRECTION ... Sorry Jeff.
Thanks for asking ... and thanks to Jeff Utz of the HealthFraud Team for providing that link and his medical degreed (though not licensed for several years) ... opinion.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
hanson - 28 Aug 2004 18:02 GMT > Platinum has been used for years in both saline and silicone implants > ... ......that's why women with beautifully sculptured breast are so **precious**.......get yourself a set and stop whining,.... become one of these luscious babes....... ahahahaha.......ahahahanson
PS: Certain Pt-compounds (Cis-Platin) are sucseeful antineoplastics.
Jeff - 28 Aug 2004 22:40 GMT > > Platinum has been used for years in both saline and silicone implants > > ... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > PS: Certain Pt-compounds (Cis-Platin) are sucseeful antineoplastics. They are also very toxic compounds. They are just more toxic to cancer cells than normal cells. This also may suggest a mechanism for them to cause cancer.
However, the study that showed a higher level of platinum in these women needs to be published and replicated, we need to learn what the platinum compounds are, and what effects these have on the body. We don't even have definitive evidence that silicone implants even have the dangers that Ilena conjectures. So there is a long way to go.
Jeff
Ilena Rose - 28 Aug 2004 23:43 GMT >> > Platinum has been used for years in both saline and silicone implants >> > ... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Jeff LOL ... by the time Jeff figures it out ... millions more will have been implanted and put at risk ... and the Med Device & Plastic Surgery Industries will be billions richer ...
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Jeff - 29 Aug 2004 00:05 GMT > >> > Platinum has been used for years in both saline and silicone implants > >> > ... [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > been implanted and put at risk ... and the Med Device & Plastic > Surgery Industries will be billions richer ... Or millions of women will have benefited from this procedure.
Jeff
CP - 29 Aug 2004 06:49 GMT Jeff can't read the archives. Stored in the National Breast Implant Depository in Birmingham is a document stating the manufacturers could not account for more than 700,000 women who had received breast implants before 1992. This is on THEIR document, not FDA, not ASPRS, and certainly not anything funded by the PSC. 440,000 women filed with the MDL with thousands of pages of health information to back up their illnesses.
That is a pretty high percentage of sick women. But then, perhaps you didn't do math in that fancy college or yours.
Perhaps Jeffy boy could benefit from a foot long penile implant. When are you getting yours, big boy...or are you going to stick around braying like the donkey you are?
Pam
> > LOL ... by the time Jeff figures it out ... millions more will have > > been implanted and put at risk ... and the Med Device & Plastic [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jeff Mary Fisher - 29 Aug 2004 10:35 GMT > LOL ... by the time Jeff figures it out ... millions more will have > been implanted and put at risk ... and the Med Device & Plastic > Surgery Industries will be billions richer ... Are richer companies the point? I mean, would you object as much if the companies did it for no profit?
I feel it's sad that women feel the need to have implants at all, no matter who profits.
Introducing foreign bodies into our own shouldn't be undertaken for cosmetic reasons, I believe.
Mary
> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org Ilena Rose - 29 Aug 2004 13:56 GMT >> LOL ... by the time Jeff figures it out ... millions more will have >> been implanted and put at risk ... and the Med Device & Plastic >> Surgery Industries will be billions richer ... > >Are richer companies the point? I mean, would you object as much if the >companies did it for no profit? LOL ... interesting question ... unfortunately ... I do believe that profit is totally what motivates the Silicone Makers and the PS's ... it's an enormous business.
For example ... if a PS does ONLY two implant surgeries a week ... (I know some who brag about 40 or more) ... that would add a half million more dollars to add to the rest of their plastic surgery per year ... just for those two surgeries. When you do the math ... it is staggering ... many are making millions and millions a year on this ... and that is just for the first surgery.
To remove them ... typically ... it is not covered by insurance even if the woman has it.
>I feel it's sad that women feel the need to have implants at all, no matter >who profits. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Mary It's a very dangerous choice ...
Thanks for your comments.
>> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org Jeff - 29 Aug 2004 19:11 GMT > >> LOL ... by the time Jeff figures it out ... millions more will have > >> been implanted and put at risk ... and the Med Device & Plastic [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > profit is totally what motivates the Silicone Makers and the PS's ... > it's an enormous business. yeap. That is what the silicon chip and silicone makers are in business for. PS's also want to make a profit. I believe that they are motivated by making people happier with their appearances, but money is also a big motivator.
> For example ... if a PS does ONLY two implant surgeries a week ... (I > know some who brag about 40 or more) ... that would add a half million [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > To remove them ... typically ... it is not covered by insurance even > if the woman has it. Neither is the implant, unless the implants are part of a repair, either for trauma surgery or for reconstructive surgery related to another surgery, like for breast cancer.
> >I feel it's sad that women feel the need to have implants at all, no matter > >who profits. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It's a very dangerous choice ... It is up to the women. If the women want to spend $20k for bigger boobs, that is fine with me. Or $5k for a face-lift.
No chocie is without risk or benefit.
Jeff
> Thanks for your comments. > > >> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org Coleah - 29 Aug 2004 20:50 GMT > > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message (snip)
> yeap. That is what the silicon chip and silicone makers are in business > for. > PS's also want to make a profit. I believe that they are motivated by > making > people happier with their appearances, but money is also a big motivator. Well, of course money is a motivator. No one stays in business if it is not profitable, particularily if it is their livelihood. Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA. The risks of the procedure, complications, etc must thoroughly explained.
If there were problems with silicone implants, those need to be addressed to the satisfaction of the FDA. If a product is approved by the FDA and the PS gets a signed agreement that states all the risks have been explained and understood by the patient, then that is as above board as a reasonable person could expect.
The current "push" to eliminate "all women's" choice of whether to receive breast implants (for any reason) is apalling.
Jeff - 29 Aug 2004 21:08 GMT > > > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message > (snip) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The current "push" to eliminate "all women's" choice of whether to > receive breast implants (for any reason) is apalling. Exactly. Every woman needs to learn for herself the costs, risks and benefits of the procedure and decided for herself whether or not she should get it.
It is not up to me or anyone else to decided whether or not a women should be allowed to have the procedure; that is between her and her doctor.
Jeff
Coleah - 29 Aug 2004 21:47 GMT >> > > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message >> (snip) [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Jeff As a woman who was damaged physically and had her health take a dramatic nose dive involving silicone breast implants, I know first hand the things that CAN happen. If the FDA can address the issues and make an approval determination about FUTURE breast implants based on all the information they have available to them, who am I to stand in some other woman's way of making her own choices.
I can share my experience. I can address the things I would like to see 'disclosed' to future women who are considering getting breast implants based upon my experience and reference to documented scientific studies/statistics.
I don't understand the continuing 'hate' expressed about manufacturer's who have been called on the carpet, slapped around with lawsuits and made to paid damages to people like me. Their 'product' was never FDA approved. Their 'product' was taken off the market.
New 'products' need to be approved by the FDA to protect future generations. What more do the hate mongers want?
The continual 'beating up' the manufacturers for what 'was' is not changing a damn thing about the direction the entire issue is progressing. It won't improve the health or well being of any woman who's life has been affected in a negative manner.
If anything, all the hate-mongering saps the strength from the ill women to keep reaching out for their own healing, improved health and a focus on the future.
In my personal life I get asked a lot about 'what happened to your breasts'? It is very obvious they are gone, especially when I 'go natural' without stuffing a bra with slippery falsies that move north, south, east and west.
It's my opportunity to share my story, from my experience and perspective about what I know, don't know and don't want to guess about and call it reality regarding my situation.
Women can wallow in yesterday, whine about their lot in life and it won't change a damn thing. Not all the name calling, accusations and lies about people being connected to 'secret conspiracy's' for the manufacturers will change a thing for women damaged by breast implants.
Those who engage in this ongoing backward looking insanity are not necessarily implanted women themselves....but publicity seekers.
Ilena Rose - 29 Aug 2004 23:25 GMT >> > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message >(snip) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >through >a PS must be approved by the FDA. Wrong, wronger, Wrongest.
Go to the back of your class.
It was only in the Spring of 2000 that, under excruciating pressure from the manfacturings interests, the FDA gave the "safe enough" stamp to saline implants ...
Never has a silicone gel breast implant been approved for safety by the FDA ... and in January, 2004, they specifically did NOT approve Inamed's breast implant.
Is this why you never completed a Residency in Pediatrics, Jeffie?
Coleah - 29 Aug 2004 23:53 GMT >>> > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message >>(snip) [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Is this why you never completed a Residency in Pediatrics, Jeffie? First of all NitWit, you are responding to MY response to Jeff..... This IS 2004...... we are not talking 'yesterday', we are talking TODAY....the HERE AND NOW. We are not talking 1992 or 2000.
AGAIN: Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA.
Ilena Rose - 30 Aug 2004 15:02 GMT >AGAIN: >Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA. That is absolutely untrue and typical Junk Science Disinformation ... just like your lies about the science of breast implants.
The silicone gel breast implant has NEVER been approved ... and again in January 2004 the FDA FAILED to approve Inamed's gel implants.
It was only in Spring, 2000 that the FDA gave the "safe enough" "approval" to saline implants ... after PS's had been selling them for close to 4 decades.
You might fool the other idiot shills and flacks ... but you are lying yet again.
Coleah - 30 Aug 2004 15:37 GMT >>AGAIN: >>Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The silicone gel breast implant has NEVER been approved ... Nor is it a product sold to the 'general public' in the U.S., is it?
Ian St. John - 30 Aug 2004 15:45 GMT >>> AGAIN: >>> Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Nor is it a product sold to the 'general public' in the U.S., is it? Yes it is, regardless of who installs it.
Coleah - 30 Aug 2004 16:33 GMT >>>> AGAIN: >>>> Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Yes it is, regardless of who installs it. Silicone breast implants were taken off the market to the general public in 1992. They not been approved to be put back on the market. So Ian, where are they freely sold in the U.S., as you indicate they are with your "yes it is" ?
Ian St. John - 30 Aug 2004 23:26 GMT >>>>> AGAIN: >>>>> Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Silicone breast implants were taken off the market to the general > public in 1992. The point is that the purchase by doctors does not mean that implants are not merchandised to the public. The doctor is just an intermediary.
> They not been approved to be put back on the market. http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/08/silicone.implants/ "Last year(2003), an FDA advisory panel voted 9-6 to resume allowing silicone-type implants, but only if biopsies were conducted when an implant is removed to check for any complications. The panel also recommended that an MRI should be considered if it's suspected that an implant has ruptured."
http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/ode/guidance/1354.html "In the FEDERAL REGISTER of June 24, 1988 (53 FR 23863), FDA issued a final rule classifying the silicone gel-filled breast prosthesis into class III (21 CFR 878.3540). On January 6, 1989 (54 FR 550), FDA published a notice of intent to require premarket approval. On April 10, 1991 (56 FR 14620), FDA required a PMA for these devices be filed with the Agency within 90 days. To date, an approved PMA or PDP is required for marketing."
> So Ian, where are they freely sold in the U.S., as you indicate they > are with your "yes it is" ? Pretty much at any cosmetic surgery practice. Usually used in reconstructive surgery, rather than breast enhancement. http://www.amershamhealth.com/medcyclopaedia/medical/Volume%20III%202/BREAST%20I MPLANT.ASP "However, for breast reconstruction the restrictions are less limiting. Silicone gel has a more breast-like consistency than saline. "
Ilena Rose - 30 Aug 2004 18:05 GMT >>>AGAIN: >>>Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Nor is it a product sold to the 'general public' in the U.S., is it? LOL ... silicone shuffling again, we see!
>>>Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA. Coleah - 30 Aug 2004 19:15 GMT >>>>AGAIN: >>>>Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >>>>Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA. You know Ilena, for a woman who has never had silicone breast implants herself, you sure have your nose stuck firmly up the a.ses of those of us who have....while 'pretending' to be a professional Director of a non-profit advocacy for breast implant women.
No wonder the FDA deleted you as a referral from their website as soon as they got to observe just a little of your "advocacy"....'in action'. How sad that you are a smart mouthed failure, but you don't have to take it out on me.
Ilena Rose - 30 Aug 2004 19:41 GMT On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:15:54 -0700, "Coleah" <coleahp@yahoo.com> is lying yet again ...
silicone gel breast implants are NOT FDA approved ... that is just her typical Junk Science Disinformation.
To read about that process, please visit:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Coleah - 30 Aug 2004 19:45 GMT > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:15:54 -0700, "Coleah" <coleahp@yahoo.com> is > lying yet again ... > > silicone gel breast implants are NOT FDA approved ... that is just her > typical Junk Science Disinformation. I did NOT the were! Take a reading comprehension course, Ilena. You really are a pesky hornet., besides a stupid jerkess.
Ilena Rose - 30 Aug 2004 19:49 GMT >I did NOT the were! First time you haven't lied in months ...
Plastic Surgeons sell silicone breast implants every day and they are NOT approved for safety by the FDA ...
Do NOT believe the lies of the Junk Science Shills here on Usenet.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 30 Aug 2004 19:51 GMT ~~~ thanks to Marlene Keeling ~~~
http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou040209_jw_upcloseplatinumbreastimplan ts.49c2106.html
Up Close: Implant problems could be caused by toxic metal 10:30 PM CST on Monday, February 9, 2004
By Janice Williamson / 11 News
Click to watch video
It's commonly known as a precious metal. But some Houston women believe platinum is taking something precious from them. The women, along with a growing number of researchers, believe platinum in their silicone breast implants poisoned them.
The quest for beauty often leads to plastic surgery. Much has been written about the silicone gel breast implants that for a time were blamed on a variety of illnesses in women.
KHOU-TV Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel implants. Marlene Keeling spends hours every day working to solve the mystery. If it wasn't the silicone that made her ill, then what did? "I consider this the worst mistake of my life," laments Keeling. "This is a foreign substance you're putting into your body. The body doesn't have the mechanism to eliminate it from the body. Over time it's been shown to break down."
She's come to believe it wasn't necessarily the silicone alone that sapped her energy, caused shooting pains in her legs and affected her memory. "My implant was in the small study that was tested. It released significant amounts of platinum," explains Keeling. "And also my blood, urine, sweat, hair and nails were all tested and they contained significant amounts of platinum."
Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel implants.
Dr. Ernest Lykissa also uses it in his toxicology lab. "You know why I have it in this container?" asks Dr. Lykissa. "I wouldn't dare open it unless I have personal protection."
The toxicologist has tested small groups of women for platinum poisoning, including 32 women with ruptured implants. Of those, almost half had high platinum levels. Dr. Lykissa says the women's levels were as much as 60 percent higher than woman who didn't have silicone implants.
German researchers have also published a small study that found platinum and siloxanes leak from implants and accumulate in their surrounding tissues.
Dr. Lykissa believes it's a reactive platinum that makes silicone gel implants dangerous. "Ma'am, I wouldn't let my dog to have these things in them," says Dr. Lykissa.
Platinum can be found in pollution. It's also emitted by the catalytic converters in our vehicles.
But researchers doubt the exposure is great enough to cause the high platinum levels found in women with ruptured implants.
"Is it the platinum? Is it the silicone? Is it the gel? Is it the sand? Who knows, " says Dr. Rod Rohrich.
The president of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons argues it has been impossible to scientifically link breast implants with any specific illnesses. But Dr. Rohrich also says, "It comes back to the fact we want every implant whether its silicone or not to be safe. That's why we encourage more probing into these types of problems. We want to do more patient safety studies."
For now, the Food and Drug Administration believes platinum does not pose a risk. But told 11 news they will: "Continue to review the scientific literature for any new information related to the safety of platinum compounds that may be present in silicone gel implants."
"I never thought that would be possible because I thought certainly if a doctor is putting them in me they're safe," says Yvonne Perkins. But she doesn't think so anymore. She's been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and has tested positive for an extremely toxic type of platinum.
What's worse she says is her daughter, Kaitlen. "My daughter had levels high enough to be alarming," says Perkins.
Born after her mother got silicone implants, the 15-year-old has suffered a variety of illnesses. At three there was leg pain. At the age of 12, Kaitlen was put on human growth hormones because she weighed less than 50 pounds.
Perkins worries her daughter's health problems, could be linked to the decision she made to get silicone breast implants. "A very long, hard road," says Perkins. "Forgiveness is the key. I've had to learn to forgive myself."
Perkins wants young women willing to undergo surgery to achieve a better body to be made aware of the price they could eventually pay.
Platinum isn't just used in the manufacture of silicone implants, it's also used to make saline implants. And just to clarify, platinum is used in the casing that surrounds the implant.
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For more information on the risks of breast implants, please visit:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 30 Aug 2004 20:33 GMT ~~~ thanks to Marlene Keeling ~~~
http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou040209_jw_upcloseplatinumbreastimplan ts.49c2106.html
Up Close: Implant problems could be caused by toxic metal 10:30 PM CST on Monday, February 9, 2004
By Janice Williamson / 11 News
Click to watch video
It's commonly known as a precious metal. But some Houston women believe platinum is taking something precious from them. The women, along with a growing number of researchers, believe platinum in their silicone breast implants poisoned them.
The quest for beauty often leads to plastic surgery. Much has been written about the silicone gel breast implants that for a time were blamed on a variety of illnesses in women.
KHOU-TV Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel implants. Marlene Keeling spends hours every day working to solve the mystery. If it wasn't the silicone that made her ill, then what did? "I consider this the worst mistake of my life," laments Keeling. "This is a foreign substance you're putting into your body. The body doesn't have the mechanism to eliminate it from the body. Over time it's been shown to break down."
She's come to believe it wasn't necessarily the silicone alone that sapped her energy, caused shooting pains in her legs and affected her memory. "My implant was in the small study that was tested. It released significant amounts of platinum," explains Keeling. "And also my blood, urine, sweat, hair and nails were all tested and they contained significant amounts of platinum."
Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel implants.
Dr. Ernest Lykissa also uses it in his toxicology lab. "You know why I have it in this container?" asks Dr. Lykissa. "I wouldn't dare open it unless I have personal protection."
The toxicologist has tested small groups of women for platinum poisoning, including 32 women with ruptured implants. Of those, almost half had high platinum levels. Dr. Lykissa says the women's levels were as much as 60 percent higher than woman who didn't have silicone implants.
German researchers have also published a small study that found platinum and siloxanes leak from implants and accumulate in their surrounding tissues.
Dr. Lykissa believes it's a reactive platinum that makes silicone gel implants dangerous. "Ma'am, I wouldn't let my dog to have these things in them," says Dr. Lykissa.
Platinum can be found in pollution. It's also emitted by the catalytic converters in our vehicles.
But researchers doubt the exposure is great enough to cause the high platinum levels found in women with ruptured implants.
"Is it the platinum? Is it the silicone? Is it the gel? Is it the sand? Who knows, " says Dr. Rod Rohrich.
The president of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons argues it has been impossible to scientifically link breast implants with any specific illnesses. But Dr. Rohrich also says, "It comes back to the fact we want every implant whether its silicone or not to be safe. That's why we encourage more probing into these types of problems. We want to do more patient safety studies."
For now, the Food and Drug Administration believes platinum does not pose a risk. But told 11 news they will: "Continue to review the scientific literature for any new information related to the safety of platinum compounds that may be present in silicone gel implants."
"I never thought that would be possible because I thought certainly if a doctor is putting them in me they're safe," says Yvonne Perkins. But she doesn't think so anymore. She's been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and has tested positive for an extremely toxic type of platinum.
What's worse she says is her daughter, Kaitlen. "My daughter had levels high enough to be alarming," says Perkins.
Born after her mother got silicone implants, the 15-year-old has suffered a variety of illnesses. At three there was leg pain. At the age of 12, Kaitlen was put on human growth hormones because she weighed less than 50 pounds.
Perkins worries her daughter's health problems, could be linked to the decision she made to get silicone breast implants. "A very long, hard road," says Perkins. "Forgiveness is the key. I've had to learn to forgive myself."
Perkins wants young women willing to undergo surgery to achieve a better body to be made aware of the price they could eventually pay.
Platinum isn't just used in the manufacture of silicone implants, it's also used to make saline implants. And just to clarify, platinum is used in the casing that surrounds the implant.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For more information on the risks of breast implants, please visit:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 31 Aug 2004 13:34 GMT ~~~ thanks to Marlene Keeling ~~~
http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou040209_jw_upcloseplatinumbreastimplan ts.49c2106.html
Up Close: Implant problems could be caused by toxic metal 10:30 PM CST on Monday, February 9, 2004
By Janice Williamson / 11 News
Click to watch video
It's commonly known as a precious metal. But some Houston women believe platinum is taking something precious from them. The women, along with a growing number of researchers, believe platinum in their silicone breast implants poisoned them.
The quest for beauty often leads to plastic surgery. Much has been written about the silicone gel breast implants that for a time were blamed on a variety of illnesses in women.
KHOU-TV Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel implants. Marlene Keeling spends hours every day working to solve the mystery. If it wasn't the silicone that made her ill, then what did? "I consider this the worst mistake of my life," laments Keeling. "This is a foreign substance you're putting into your body. The body doesn't have the mechanism to eliminate it from the body. Over time it's been shown to break down."
She's come to believe it wasn't necessarily the silicone alone that sapped her energy, caused shooting pains in her legs and affected her memory. "My implant was in the small study that was tested. It released significant amounts of platinum," explains Keeling. "And also my blood, urine, sweat, hair and nails were all tested and they contained significant amounts of platinum."
Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel implants.
Dr. Ernest Lykissa also uses it in his toxicology lab. "You know why I have it in this container?" asks Dr. Lykissa. "I wouldn't dare open it unless I have personal protection."
The toxicologist has tested small groups of women for platinum poisoning, including 32 women with ruptured implants. Of those, almost half had high platinum levels. Dr. Lykissa says the women's levels were as much as 60 percent higher than woman who didn't have silicone implants.
German researchers have also published a small study that found platinum and siloxanes leak from implants and accumulate in their surrounding tissues.
Dr. Lykissa believes it's a reactive platinum that makes silicone gel implants dangerous. "Ma'am, I wouldn't let my dog to have these things in them," says Dr. Lykissa.
Platinum can be found in pollution. It's also emitted by the catalytic converters in our vehicles.
But researchers doubt the exposure is great enough to cause the high platinum levels found in women with ruptured implants.
"Is it the platinum? Is it the silicone? Is it the gel? Is it the sand? Who knows, " says Dr. Rod Rohrich.
The president of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons argues it has been impossible to scientifically link breast implants with any specific illnesses. But Dr. Rohrich also says, "It comes back to the fact we want every implant whether its silicone or not to be safe. That's why we encourage more probing into these types of problems. We want to do more patient safety studies."
For now, the Food and Drug Administration believes platinum does not pose a risk. But told 11 news they will: "Continue to review the scientific literature for any new information related to the safety of platinum compounds that may be present in silicone gel implants."
"I never thought that would be possible because I thought certainly if a doctor is putting them in me they're safe," says Yvonne Perkins. But she doesn't think so anymore. She's been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and has tested positive for an extremely toxic type of platinum.
What's worse she says is her daughter, Kaitlen. "My daughter had levels high enough to be alarming," says Perkins.
Born after her mother got silicone implants, the 15-year-old has suffered a variety of illnesses. At three there was leg pain. At the age of 12, Kaitlen was put on human growth hormones because she weighed less than 50 pounds.
Perkins worries her daughter's health problems, could be linked to the decision she made to get silicone breast implants. "A very long, hard road," says Perkins. "Forgiveness is the key. I've had to learn to forgive myself."
Perkins wants young women willing to undergo surgery to achieve a better body to be made aware of the price they could eventually pay.
Platinum isn't just used in the manufacture of silicone implants, it's also used to make saline implants. And just to clarify, platinum is used in the casing that surrounds the implant.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For more information on the risks of breast implants, please visit:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 25 Oct 2004 13:46 GMT ~~~ thanks to Marlene Keeling ~~~
http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou040209_jw_upcloseplatinumbreastimplan ts.49c2106.html
Up Close: Implant problems could be caused by toxic metal 10:30 PM CST on Monday, February 9, 2004
By Janice Williamson / 11 News
Click to watch video
It's commonly known as a precious metal. But some Houston women believe platinum is taking something precious from them. The women, along with a growing number of researchers, believe platinum in their silicone breast implants poisoned them.
The quest for beauty often leads to plastic surgery. Much has been written about the silicone gel breast implants that for a time were blamed on a variety of illnesses in women.
KHOU-TV Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel implants. Marlene Keeling spends hours every day working to solve the mystery. If it wasn't the silicone that made her ill, then what did? "I consider this the worst mistake of my life," laments Keeling. "This is a foreign substance you're putting into your body. The body doesn't have the mechanism to eliminate it from the body. Over time it's been shown to break down."
She's come to believe it wasn't necessarily the silicone alone that sapped her energy, caused shooting pains in her legs and affected her memory. "My implant was in the small study that was tested. It released significant amounts of platinum," explains Keeling. "And also my blood, urine, sweat, hair and nails were all tested and they contained significant amounts of platinum."
Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel implants.
Dr. Ernest Lykissa also uses it in his toxicology lab. "You know why I have it in this container?" asks Dr. Lykissa. "I wouldn't dare open it unless I have personal protection."
The toxicologist has tested small groups of women for platinum poisoning, including 32 women with ruptured implants. Of those, almost half had high platinum levels. Dr. Lykissa says the women's levels were as much as 60 percent higher than woman who didn't have silicone implants.
German researchers have also published a small study that found platinum and siloxanes leak from implants and accumulate in their surrounding tissues.
Dr. Lykissa believes it's a reactive platinum that makes silicone gel implants dangerous. "Ma'am, I wouldn't let my dog to have these things in them," says Dr. Lykissa.
Platinum can be found in pollution. It's also emitted by the catalytic converters in our vehicles.
But researchers doubt the exposure is great enough to cause the high platinum levels found in women with ruptured implants.
"Is it the platinum? Is it the silicone? Is it the gel? Is it the sand? Who knows, " says Dr. Rod Rohrich.
The president of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons argues it has been impossible to scientifically link breast implants with any specific illnesses. But Dr. Rohrich also says, "It comes back to the fact we want every implant whether its silicone or not to be safe. That's why we encourage more probing into these types of problems. We want to do more patient safety studies."
For now, the Food and Drug Administration believes platinum does not pose a risk. But told 11 news they will: "Continue to review the scientific literature for any new information related to the safety of platinum compounds that may be present in silicone gel implants."
"I never thought that would be possible because I thought certainly if a doctor is putting them in me they're safe," says Yvonne Perkins. But she doesn't think so anymore. She's been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and has tested positive for an extremely toxic type of platinum.
What's worse she says is her daughter, Kaitlen. "My daughter had levels high enough to be alarming," says Perkins.
Born after her mother got silicone implants, the 15-year-old has suffered a variety of illnesses. At three there was leg pain. At the age of 12, Kaitlen was put on human growth hormones because she weighed less than 50 pounds.
Perkins worries her daughter's health problems, could be linked to the decision she made to get silicone breast implants. "A very long, hard road," says Perkins. "Forgiveness is the key. I've had to learn to forgive myself."
Perkins wants young women willing to undergo surgery to achieve a better body to be made aware of the price they could eventually pay.
Platinum isn't just used in the manufacture of silicone implants, it's also used to make saline implants. And just to clarify, platinum is used in the casing that surrounds the implant.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For more information on the risks of breast implants, please visit:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 11 Dec 2004 20:04 GMT ~~~ thanks to Marlene Keeling ~~~
http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou040209_jw_upcloseplatinumbreastimplan ts.49c2106.html
Up Close: Implant problems could be caused by toxic metal 10:30 PM CST on Monday, February 9, 2004
By Janice Williamson / 11 News
Click to watch video
It's commonly known as a precious metal. But some Houston women believe platinum is taking something precious from them. The women, along with a growing number of researchers, believe platinum in their silicone breast implants poisoned them.
The quest for beauty often leads to plastic surgery. Much has been written about the silicone gel breast implants that for a time were blamed on a variety of illnesses in women.
KHOU-TV Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel implants. Marlene Keeling spends hours every day working to solve the mystery. If it wasn't the silicone that made her ill, then what did? "I consider this the worst mistake of my life," laments Keeling. "This is a foreign substance you're putting into your body. The body doesn't have the mechanism to eliminate it from the body. Over time it's been shown to break down."
She's come to believe it wasn't necessarily the silicone alone that sapped her energy, caused shooting pains in her legs and affected her memory. "My implant was in the small study that was tested. It released significant amounts of platinum," explains Keeling. "And also my blood, urine, sweat, hair and nails were all tested and they contained significant amounts of platinum."
Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel implants.
Dr. Ernest Lykissa also uses it in his toxicology lab. "You know why I have it in this container?" asks Dr. Lykissa. "I wouldn't dare open it unless I have personal protection."
The toxicologist has tested small groups of women for platinum poisoning, including 32 women with ruptured implants. Of those, almost half had high platinum levels. Dr. Lykissa says the women's levels were as much as 60 percent higher than woman who didn't have silicone implants.
German researchers have also published a small study that found platinum and siloxanes leak from implants and accumulate in their surrounding tissues.
Dr. Lykissa believes it's a reactive platinum that makes silicone gel implants dangerous. "Ma'am, I wouldn't let my dog to have these things in them," says Dr. Lykissa.
Platinum can be found in pollution. It's also emitted by the catalytic converters in our vehicles.
But researchers doubt the exposure is great enough to cause the high platinum levels found in women with ruptured implants.
"Is it the platinum? Is it the silicone? Is it the gel? Is it the sand? Who knows, " says Dr. Rod Rohrich.
The president of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons argues it has been impossible to scientifically link breast implants with any specific illnesses. But Dr. Rohrich also says, "It comes back to the fact we want every implant whether its silicone or not to be safe. That's why we encourage more probing into these types of problems. We want to do more patient safety studies."
For now, the Food and Drug Administration believes platinum does not pose a risk. But told 11 news they will: "Continue to review the scientific literature for any new information related to the safety of platinum compounds that may be present in silicone gel implants."
"I never thought that would be possible because I thought certainly if a doctor is putting them in me they're safe," says Yvonne Perkins. But she doesn't think so anymore. She's been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and has tested positive for an extremely toxic type of platinum.
What's worse she says is her daughter, Kaitlen. "My daughter had levels high enough to be alarming," says Perkins.
Born after her mother got silicone implants, the 15-year-old has suffered a variety of illnesses. At three there was leg pain. At the age of 12, Kaitlen was put on human growth hormones because she weighed less than 50 pounds.
Perkins worries her daughter's health problems, could be linked to the decision she made to get silicone breast implants. "A very long, hard road," says Perkins. "Forgiveness is the key. I've had to learn to forgive myself."
Perkins wants young women willing to undergo surgery to achieve a better body to be made aware of the price they could eventually pay.
Platinum isn't just used in the manufacture of silicone implants, it's also used to make saline implants. And just to clarify, platinum is used in the casing that surrounds the implant.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For more information on the risks of breast implants, please visit:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 07 Aug 2005 20:56 GMT ~~~ thanks to Marlene Keeling ~~~
http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou040209_jw_upcloseplatinumbreastimplan ts.49c2106.html
Up Close: Implant problems could be caused by toxic metal 10:30 PM CST on Monday, February 9, 2004
By Janice Williamson / 11 News
Click to watch video
It's commonly known as a precious metal. But some Houston women believe platinum is taking something precious from them. The women, along with a growing number of researchers, believe platinum in their silicone breast implants poisoned them.
The quest for beauty often leads to plastic surgery. Much has been written about the silicone gel breast implants that for a time were blamed on a variety of illnesses in women.
KHOU-TV Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel implants. Marlene Keeling spends hours every day working to solve the mystery. If it wasn't the silicone that made her ill, then what did? "I consider this the worst mistake of my life," laments Keeling. "This is a foreign substance you're putting into your body. The body doesn't have the mechanism to eliminate it from the body. Over time it's been shown to break down."
She's come to believe it wasn't necessarily the silicone alone that sapped her energy, caused shooting pains in her legs and affected her memory. "My implant was in the small study that was tested. It released significant amounts of platinum," explains Keeling. "And also my blood, urine, sweat, hair and nails were all tested and they contained significant amounts of platinum."
Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel implants.
Dr. Ernest Lykissa also uses it in his toxicology lab. "You know why I have it in this container?" asks Dr. Lykissa. "I wouldn't dare open it unless I have personal protection."
The toxicologist has tested small groups of women for platinum poisoning, including 32 women with ruptured implants. Of those, almost half had high platinum levels. Dr. Lykissa says the women's levels were as much as 60 percent higher than woman who didn't have silicone implants.
German researchers have also published a small study that found platinum and siloxanes leak from implants and accumulate in their surrounding tissues.
Dr. Lykissa believes it's a reactive platinum that makes silicone gel implants dangerous. "Ma'am, I wouldn't let my dog to have these things in them," says Dr. Lykissa.
Platinum can be found in pollution. It's also emitted by the catalytic converters in our vehicles.
But researchers doubt the exposure is great enough to cause the high platinum levels found in women with ruptured implants.
"Is it the platinum? Is it the silicone? Is it the gel? Is it the sand? Who knows, " says Dr. Rod Rohrich.
The president of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons argues it has been impossible to scientifically link breast implants with any specific illnesses. But Dr. Rohrich also says, "It comes back to the fact we want every implant whether its silicone or not to be safe. That's why we encourage more probing into these types of problems. We want to do more patient safety studies."
For now, the Food and Drug Administration believes platinum does not pose a risk. But told 11 news they will: "Continue to review the scientific literature for any new information related to the safety of platinum compounds that may be present in silicone gel implants."
"I never thought that would be possible because I thought certainly if a doctor is putting them in me they're safe," says Yvonne Perkins. But she doesn't think so anymore. She's been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and has tested positive for an extremely toxic type of platinum.
What's worse she says is her daughter, Kaitlen. "My daughter had levels high enough to be alarming," says Perkins.
Born after her mother got silicone implants, the 15-year-old has suffered a variety of illnesses. At three there was leg pain. At the age of 12, Kaitlen was put on human growth hormones because she weighed less than 50 pounds.
Perkins worries her daughter's health problems, could be linked to the decision she made to get silicone breast implants. "A very long, hard road," says Perkins. "Forgiveness is the key. I've had to learn to forgive myself."
Perkins wants young women willing to undergo surgery to achieve a better body to be made aware of the price they could eventually pay.
Platinum isn't just used in the manufacture of silicone implants, it's also used to make saline implants. And just to clarify, platinum is used in the casing that surrounds the implant.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For more information on the risks of breast implants, please visit:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Jeff - 30 Aug 2004 02:41 GMT > >> > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message > >(snip) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >through > >a PS must be approved by the FDA. Ilena, please stop being intellectually dishonest. I did not say these words. Someone else did.
> Wrong, wronger, Wrongest. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > from the manfacturings interests, the FDA gave the "safe enough" stamp > to saline implants ... What is the safe enough stamp? I don't recall seeing that one anywhere.
> Never has a silicone gel breast implant been approved for safety by > the FDA ... and in January, 2004, they specifically did NOT approve > Inamed's breast implant. > > Is this why you never completed a Residency in Pediatrics, Jeffie? I did not that approval procedures for medical devices was part of the medical or residency program.
I noticed how you removed the comments that I did make without ackonowledging that fact. I also noticed how you did not respond to them.
Tisk tisk.
Jeff
Ilena Rose - 29 Aug 2004 23:28 GMT >> > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message >(snip) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >a PS must be approved by the FDA. The risks of the procedure, >complications, etc must thoroughly explained. YOU wrote this Coleah?
You put this utter and total BS under your own name?
I apologize to J P Utz ... I thought I had clicked on your comment ...
You would have been mistaken ...
For Coleah to put out this level of disinformation knowing full well the history of breast implants ... reaches Propaganda Proportions never before written ... even by her.
Coleah - 29 Aug 2004 23:55 GMT >>> > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message >>(snip) [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > the history of breast implants ... reaches Propaganda Proportions > never before written ... even by her. What are you sniffing up your nose today? Reading comprehension problems, confusing people and just yapping to the universe out of context. Go Ilena!
Jeff - 30 Aug 2004 02:44 GMT > >>> > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message > >>(snip) [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > confusing people and just yapping to the universe out of context. > Go Ilena! Actually, it is quite clear that she edited the post specifically to make it look like I said that. She removed the '>'s before your comments. news editors don't do that on purpose.
Jeff
hanson - 29 Aug 2004 22:19 GMT > I feel it's sad that women feel the need to have implants > at all, no matter who profits. > Introducing foreign bodies into our own shouldn't be > undertaken for cosmetic reasons, I believe. > Mary Mary, Mary, Mary....your (heart)felt and expressed "sadness" may have its roots either in.... a) that you are condescending, because you have a nice set and you don't need any Silicone-fixens, or b) that you really need and wish improvement but you can't afford it for whatever reasons. In any event statistics show that your sadness rings hollow. Get with the program, my dear, fixx'em......and enjoy life. A great pair of breasts/hooters/boobs/knockers/jugs is a sight to behold and marvel over...siliconed or not! ahahahaha.......ahahahanson
Ilena Rose - 29 Aug 2004 23:34 GMT >In any event statistics show that your sadness rings hollow. >Get with the program, my dear, fixx'em......and enjoy life. >A great pair of breasts/hooters/boobs/knockers/jugs is a sight >to behold and marvel over...siliconed or not! >ahahahaha.......ahahahanson down boy.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
hanson - 30 Aug 2004 15:32 GMT > >In any event statistics show that your [*] sadness rings hollow. > >Get with the program, my dear [Mary], fixx'em......and enjoy life. > >A great pair of breasts/hooters/boobs/knockers/jugs is a sight > >to behold and to marvel over...siliconed or not! > >ahahahaha.......ahahahanson [*] = was addressed to Mary Fisher and not to Illena.
[Ilena Rose]
> down boy. [hanson] ahahaha......AHAHAHAHAHHAHA....woahahahahaha..... So, our Illena is into animal love and zoo fun, ...ahahaha.. Do you prefer tiny lap dogs or heavy duty slurpers, like Saint Bernards? .....you sound so DESPERATE, Illena... Your Freudian slip here does reveal at a lot about you, Illena. But enjoy yourself.....whicheverway........ahahahahaha... ahahaha.....ahahanson
Jeff - 30 Aug 2004 02:45 GMT > > I feel it's sad that women feel the need to have implants > > at all, no matter who profits. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > to behold and marvel over...siliconed or not! > ahahahaha.......ahahahanson Actually, this about women who make the choice to get implants to feel better about themselves. And a fair number of these ladies get these implants after beast removal for cancer.
Jeff
Mary Fisher - 30 Aug 2004 20:34 GMT > > > I feel it's sad that women feel the need to have implants > > > at all, no matter who profits. > > > Introducing foreign bodies into our own shouldn't be > > > undertaken for cosmetic reasons, I believe. > > > Mary I don't think I should respond to this, the whole thread as been reduced to nastiness. However, since it's come to a personal response to me, from politeness I shall reply to your offensive and silly post. Once only.
> > Mary, Mary, Mary....your (heart)felt and expressed "sadness" > > may have its roots either in.... > > a) that you are condescending, because you have a nice set > > and you don't need any Silicone-fixens, or I don't believe that anyone NEEDS silicone-fixens, my point was that it's sad that women DO feel that they do. I don';t think you understood my point, which is your problem. Women aren't just a pair of breasts. If that's what men think that they are those men don't deserve to be considered. There's much more to us.
> > b) that you really need and wish improvement but you can't > > afford it for whatever reasons. I neither need nor wish improvement to my breasts. I wanted a bilateral mastectomy and if I have a recurrence I shall have one. and there's no way that I'd want reconstruction or implants whether I had to pay for it or not (in UK I wouldn't have to pay).
> > In any event statistics show that your sadness rings hollow. That's my point, that women feel they have to have breasts, real or false, to be whole. Would they push for a false finger if they lost one? Fingers are far more important than breasts.
> > Get with the program, my dear, fixx'em......and enjoy life. Oh I DO enjoy life, nothing's going to stop my enjoyment. Except the ultimate full stop. That's death, by the way.
> > A great pair of breasts/hooters/boobs/knockers/jugs is a sight > > to behold and marvel over...siliconed or not! You're very silly. Those who do take notice of you and those like you are misguided and I'm sad for them.
By the way, I don't have hooter/boob/knocker/jug cancer, I have breast cancer. Your slang terms shows you in your true light and diminishes you.
> Actually, this about women who make the choice to get implants to feel > better about themselves. I still say that they don't need implants to feel good about themselves. Women are not a pair of breasts, we have far more to offer the world.
Jeff - 31 Aug 2004 01:09 GMT Note: The comments preceeded by three or four '>'s are not mine. Only those proceed by 2 of these
> > > > I feel it's sad that women feel the need to have implants > > > > at all, no matter who profits. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > to be whole. Would they push for a false finger if they lost one? Fingers > are far more important than breasts. Not if you want to breast feed your baby.
Actually, whenever a person loses a body part or has a body part that is different from other body parts, that can be a source of mental distress.
Hair is practically useless. Yet patients undergoing chemotherapy are greatly upset by their loss of hair. People who lose limbs are upset not only by he loss of use of the limb, but by their appearence. People who have facial injuries are upset both by the loss of thier looks. People who get bruised in a crash are upset by the bruises. Vain or no, our looks are very important to us. And having breasts is a very important part of being a woman.
Would you denie a woman plastic surgeury after a disfiguring crash? Or to a child born with a cleft lip? Why should we train surgeons at all in putting in sutures nicely. As long the wound doesn't get infected and the repair is strong, taht should be it, right?
Like or not, breasts are an important part of a female's self image.
When a patient undergoes any precedure, like removal of a toe from diabetes, removal of testical because it is undescended, a scare following open repair of a broken bone, the differences between before and after, as well as between one's peers is a source of psychological scaring.
If a woman doesn't feel comfortable because she has small breasts, I see absolutely nothing wrong with implants to make them bigger.> > > Get with the program, my dear, fixx'em......and enjoy life.
> Oh I DO enjoy life, nothing's going to stop my enjoyment. Except the > ultimate full stop. That's death, by the way. And if a woman is not happy with her body image, I see nothing wrong with having surgery to improve it.
> > > A great pair of breasts/hooters/boobs/knockers/jugs is a sight > > > to behold and marvel over...siliconed or not! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > By the way, I don't have hooter/boob/knocker/jug cancer, I have breast > cancer. Your slang terms shows you in your true light and diminishes you. I agree with this.
> > Actually, this about women who make the choice to get implants to feel > > better about themselves. > > I still say that they don't need implants to feel good about themselves. I disagree. If breast enhancement or replacement surgery makes one feel better, I am all for it. If one feels completely comfortable after breast surgery without replace, then more power to her!
To each his/her own, including the choice of having breast replacement surgery.
If I had one of my breasts removed for whatever reason (and breast cancer does happen to males), then I would want replacement surgery.
> Women are not a pair of breasts, we have far more to offer the world. Far more. However, if the surgery helps a female feel better and more like herself, I fail to see why she should not have the surgery.
Jeff
Ilena Rose - 31 Aug 2004 01:27 GMT >If a woman doesn't feel comfortable because she has small breasts, I see >absolutely nothing wrong with implants to make them bigger.> > > Get with >the program, my dear, fixx'em......and enjoy life. Thank you for showing again, how you ignore the enormous amount of serious complications and risks involved.
You sound like the typical Quack/Junk Science Flack.
"Get with the program" ... I recall Junk Scientist O'leary using that term in denying that silicone adjuvant disease exists.
"Get with the program. Silicone adjuvant disease went out along time ago." Patrick O'leary, President, Inamed, while hiding his identity and posting as "mplnt"
In fact, silicone adjuvant disease DOES exist
http://www.orgsites.com/fl/adjuvantdisease/
Jeff - 31 Aug 2004 04:07 GMT > >If a woman doesn't feel comfortable because she has small breasts, I see > >absolutely nothing wrong with implants to make them bigger.> > > Get with > >the program, my dear, fixx'em......and enjoy life. The words "Get with the program, my dear, fixx'em.....and enjoy life" are the words of another poster.
> Thank you for showing again, how you ignore the enormous amount of > serious complications and risks involved. It is up to a woman and her doctor to determine whether the potential benefits outweigh the risks.
> You sound like the typical Quack/Junk Science Flack. Someone who thinks that patients, along with their physicians should weigh the risks and benefits of procedures.
> "Get with the program" ... I recall Junk Scientist O'leary using that > term in denying that silicone adjuvant disease exists. Again, you will note that there are 3 '>'s in front of that text. I never said that.
> "Get with the program. Silicone adjuvant disease went out along time > ago." Patrick O'leary, President, Inamed, while hiding his identity > and posting as "mplnt" Again, those were not my words.
> In fact, silicone adjuvant disease DOES exist > > http://www.orgsites.com/fl/adjuvantdisease/ I never said it doesn't.
Jeff
Coleah - 31 Aug 2004 05:53 GMT I believe some people have confused who wrote what in this thread. The flippant, sexest 'offending' text actually came from the Hanson person, not Jeff.
>> >If a woman doesn't feel comfortable because she has small breasts, I see >> >absolutely nothing wrong with implants to make them bigger.> > > Get [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Jeff Amelia Yaussy - 31 Aug 2004 14:27 GMT Dear implanted and anti-implant friends - As fascinating as your conversations and flames about silicone and boobs has been, I must ask you to please stop cross-posting to alt.support.scleroderma. It's rude and confusing and has always been considered poor etiquette on Usenet. Amie
Coleah - 31 Aug 2004 02:55 GMT > Note: The comments preceeded by three or four '>'s are not mine. Only > those [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] > > Jeff ========================
Mary and Jeff both offer great points.
Women are indeed more than their 'breasts'. Some women's self-esteem is high enough to live without implants and never even consider them. Other women could have implants and dozens of other cosmetic procedures and never find the identity of who they really are.
Women deserve a choice also. Give women an FDA approved product, education opportunities of possible complications, a mandated informed consent form that spells it out clearly and let them make their own choice.
Ilena Rose - 31 Aug 2004 16:53 GMT >Women deserve a choice also. >Give women an FDA approved product, Women deserve choices of safe products ...
Regardless of your false claim earllier this week ... silicone gel implants have been sold for nearly 40 years and have NEVER been approved for safety by the FDA .. they still are being implanted supposively if a woman is in a study group .. .but the follow ups are not well monitored at all.
Saline implants were sold for nearly 40 years by PS's with NO safety assurance... even now tho they are declared "safe enough" the risks and resurgeries are staggering
The manufacturers and PS's put enormous pressure on the FDA ... thankfully, this Doctor in charge of the Panel had the good sense and morality to write this:
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/drwhalen.htm
October 31, 2003
Mark B. McClellan, M.D., PhD Food and Drug Administration 5600 Fishers Lane Rockville, Maryland 20857
Dear Doctor McClellan,
On October 14 and 15 of this year, I chaired the General and Plastic Surgery Devices Advisory Panel in Gaithersburg, MD for consideration of a PMA by Inamed Corporation for silicone gel breast implants. As I am sure you are aware, the panel voted 9 to 6 that this PMA was approvable and the matter is now under consideration for action at the CDRH. I write to express as the Panel Chair my very strong reservations concerning this vote having thoroughly reviewed the PMA, heard my scientific colleagues on the panel as well as the presentations of Inamed and the FDA, and having intently listened to all of the over 100 individuals who gave public testimony.
At its essence, and as is mandated by federal code, the mission of an FDA panel and then the FDA itself acting upon the panel recommendation is really elegantly simple: to judge that the company bringing the PMA before them has demonstrated with reasonable assurance that the product under consideration is both safe and effective. Effectiveness was demonstrated (and is almost self-evident). Long-term safety, the concern that prompted the removal from the market eleven years ago, was clearly not demonstrated and to approve this device poses threats to women that are clearly unknown. In my opinion there is at least one facet of long-term danger that was established during the panel specifically the obscuration of surrounding normal breast tissue to mammographic detection of breast cancer. The re-operation rates and other local complications from silicone leaking outside the breast area have also been established by FDA scientists and are not minor considerations for a cosmetic device. Moreover, despite the sophistication of the Institute of Medicine's report, all of what was considered by them reflected low-quality data in the age of evidence-based medicine.
It is incumbent upon the FDA to demand that the manufacturer establish in a rigorous prospective, controlled study that these devices, despite their established breakage and leakage rates, are safe in the long term. If that is deemed to be not feasible for the company, then they should abandon pursuit of approval. However, the company's track record suggests that they are capable of such research but have not been sufficiently motivated to complete it.
The plethora of approval conditions that had my head spinning during panel deliberations is proof that even those who voted the PMA as approvable are deeply concerned about the lack of long-term safety data on this product. What will motivate the company to follow these FDA requirements? Most upsetting was when an FDA official admitted, at my pressing, that there is little if any remedy for the FDA if demands to demonstrate long-term safety are not carried out by the company.
I need not point out to you in your position what the term "FDA Approved" represents to our citizenry. Once this horse is out of the barn, indeed for a second time, there will be no recourse.
I have the utmost respect for my colleagues on the panel, one and all. This most assuredly includes the four well-respected and knowledgeable plastic surgeons. Certainly, it was essential to include board certified plastic and reconstructive surgeons when considering a PMA on breast implants. On the other hand, it serves the reputation of the FDA in general, and the standing of the panel process in particular, exceedingly poorly to have had all of the plastic surgeons vote the PMA as approvable on such a close vote. Even in academic settings, plastic surgeons may stand to increase their own income with the use of these devices. To cite a worn aphorism, it just does not play well in Peoria.
In closing, I must add that the issue of medical care of women who suffer complications from these implants is extraordinarily troubling. Costs for removal of these implants and for extra-capsular silicone can be enormous and are very rarely covered by a health plan. This is a public health issue of no small import that must be addressed should the FDA second this misguided panel decision.
I have been honored to be a part of the General and Plastic Surgery Devices Advisory Panel these past few years, and have been extremely impressed by the devotion and professionalism of those in your agency. I regret that the final chapter of my FDA experience was this one and implore you and Doctors Feigal and Witten to not approve this PMA. I would be delighted to provide any further information if you desire it.
Sincerely yours,
Thomas V. Whalen, MD
Professor of Surgery and Pediatrics
cc: David W. Feigal Jr., MD Celia Witten, MD, PhD Senator Jon Corzine Senator Edward Kennedy Senator Frank Lautenberg Representative Roy Blunt Representative James Greenwood
CP - 29 Aug 2004 05:07 GMT When did you complete your residency that allows you to call yourself a pediatrician? or Kid Doc?
I asked my doctor (a real one) about this the other day. She said after the first year of internship, one can call themselves a doctor. However, to be called a pediatrician, one must complete a residency in pediatrics.
And you completed your pediatric residency when?
Pam
> > > Platinum has been used for years in both saline and silicone implants > > > ... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > become one of these luscious babes....... > > ahahahaha.......ahahahanson Kathi - 28 Aug 2004 17:37 GMT Original Paper
Platinum concentration in silicone breast implant material and capsular tissue by ICP-MS
S. V. M. Maharaj1
(1) Department of Chemistry, American University, Washington, DC 20016, USA
Received: 5 January 2004 Revised: 28 May 2004 Accepted: 7 June 2004 Published online: 8 July 2004
Abstract Inductively coupled plasma-mass spectrometry (ICP-MS) was used to determine the concentration of platinum (Pt) in silicone breast implant gel (range, 0.26–48.90 g g–1 Pt; n=15), elastomer (range, 3.05–28.78 g g–1 Pt; n=7), double lumen (range, 5.79–125.27 g g–1 Pt; n=7), foam (range, 5.79–8.36 g g–1 Pt; n=2), and capsular tissue (range, 0.003–0.272 g g–1 Pt; n=15). The results show that very high levels of Pt are present in the encasing elastomer, double lumen, and foam envelope materials. Silicone breast implants can be a source of significant Pt exposure for individuals with these implants.
Keywords Platinum - Breast implants - Silicone - Polydimethylsiloxane - PDMS - ICP-MS
S. V. M. Maharaj Email: Maharaj@american.edu
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>>>Can you please give us the journal link for this? I am sure a study this >>>important has been published. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Mary Ilena Rose - 28 Aug 2004 19:02 GMT Thanks so much Kathi ... first I've seen this. Do you happen to have the link?
I want to add it to my webpage.
Original Paper
Platinum concentration in silicone breast implant material and capsular tissue by ICP-MS
S. V. M. Maharaj1
(1) Department of Chemistry, American University, Washington, DC 20016, USA
Received: 5 January 2004 Revised: 28 May 2004 Accepted: 7 June 2004 Published online: 8 July 2004
Abstract Inductively coupled plasma-mass spectrometry (ICP-MS) was used to determine the concentration of platinum (Pt) in silicone breast implant gel (range, 0.2648.90 g g1 Pt; n=15), elastomer (range, 3.0528.78 g g1 Pt; n=7), double lumen (range, 5.79125.27 g g1 Pt; n=7), foam (range, 5.798.36 g g1 Pt; n=2), and capsular tissue (range, 0.0030.272 g g1 Pt; n=15). The results show that very high levels of Pt are present in the encasing elastomer, double lumen, and foam envelope materials. Silicone breast implants can be a source of significant Pt exposure for individuals with these implants.
Keywords Platinum - Breast implants - Silicone - Polydimethylsiloxane - PDMS - ICP-MS
S. V. M. Maharaj Email: Maharaj@american.edu
The references of this article are secured to subscribers.
Ilena Rose - 28 Aug 2004 20:18 GMT LOL ... just realized this is the same as the Medline study ...
>Thanks so much Kathi ... first I've seen this. >Do you happen to have the link? [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > The references of this article are secured to subscribers.
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