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More Platinum Found in Women With Implants

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Ilena Rose - 26 Aug 2004 15:11 GMT
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5829110/

More Platinum Found in Women With Implants

By DIEDTRA HENDERSON
The Associated Press

Updated: 9:03 a.m. ET Aug. 26, 2004WASHINGTON - Researchers have found
high concentrations of platinum in women who got silicone breast
implants and in the children they bore and breast-fed afterward.

The type of platinum found in the women's blood and urine was
different than the traces of regular platinum not uncommon in people's
bodies. It was a highly reactive platinum, used to help turn silicon
oil into the honey-like gel that lends a more natural feel to a breast
implant.

Concentrations were up to three times higher than in women who didn't
have breast implants, according to findings by S.V.M. Maharaj, a
chemist at American University. Maharaj was scheduled present the
findings Thursday to the American Chemical Society in Philadelphia.

Ernest Lykissa, a forensic and clinical toxicologist who co-authored
the paper, said the study's sample size was small. But Lykissa said it
fairly represented hundreds of women with implants he's studied over
the years.

Women who had implants the longest recorded the highest platinum
concentrations. The heavy metal was also found in bone marrow, where
blood cells are made.

Distinct from platinum released by catalytic converters in cars,
platinum in implants is treated with nitric and hydrochloric acids and
becomes very reactive, Lykissa said. The heavy metal readily binds in
the human body, especially to nerve endings, short-circuiting
communication with the brain.

"You see green, but you perceive a full moon," he said. "All of a
sudden, your brain system is not working right."

Some women developed nervous tics, had faulty perception, and impaired
hearing and eyesight, he said.

Children born to women with implants had problems with eyesight and
hearing, too, but those nervous system disorders may have been caused
by something else, he cautioned.

The Food and Drug Administration in January stunned plastic surgeons
when, contradicting the advice of its expert panel, it rejected
Inamed's bid to reintroduce silicone breast implants. After safety
concerns rose, the FDA banned such implants in 1992 for most patients.

In January, the drug regulatory agency asked Inamed for more details
about what happens when silicone seeps from the implant.

Dan Cohen, a spokesman for Santa Barbara, Calif.-based Inamed, said
the company would speak in detail about its formal reply, submitted to
the FDA earlier this month.

But at the FDA's October 2003 advisory board meeting, the company
briefly discussed platinum dispersion and concentration in implant
patients. The company has tracked those patients for three years.

"It was not an issue that anyone dwelled on _ either our presentation
or the panel," Cohen said.

For its part, the FDA in 2002 surveyed scientific literature that
indicated platinum leaks from implants into surrounding breast tissue.
Researchers said they didn't find anything suggesting women had
allergic responses to leached platinum.

Paul H. Wooley, director of research for orthopedic surgery at Wayne
State University, said it's been suspected for at least a decade that
heavy metals used in manufacturing might cause problems for women who
receive implants.

"I'm not sure these questions have been answered because, in general,
they haven't been asked," Wooley said. "For political reasons, working
on breast-implant patients has been somewhat difficult to do."

___

On the Web:

FDA: http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/breastimplants

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For more on the very real dangers of breast implants, please visit:

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Jeff - 27 Aug 2004 02:19 GMT
Can you please give us the journal link for this? I am sure a study this
important has been published.

Jeff
Ilena Rose - 27 Aug 2004 04:07 GMT
>Can you please give us the journal link for this? I am sure a study this
>important has been published.
>
>Jeff

Earlier today I re-read a thread with you and Davey Gorski claiming
"no evidence" of any harm to children ...
Jeff - 27 Aug 2004 04:28 GMT
> >Can you please give us the journal link for this? I am sure a study this
> >important has been published.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Earlier today I re-read a thread with you and Davey Gorski claiming
> "no evidence" of any harm to children ...

Apparently, there is new evidence. Can you please provide the reference for
this? A news report doesn't cut it.

Jeff
Ilena Rose - 27 Aug 2004 04:35 GMT
>> >Can you please give us the journal link for this? I am sure a study this
>> >important has been published.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Jeff

LOL ... that's what I have right now ... you can deny the harm of
breast implants to women and their offspring for years to come ...
you've been doing it for years.

By the time you figure it out millions of women will already have
puthemselves and their children at risk ...

Just why the Silicone Sellers pay ACSH and Junkscience.com and all
their quacky front group shillls to fill these groups with "no
evidence" BS.
Mary Fisher - 28 Aug 2004 16:46 GMT
> >Can you please give us the journal link for this? I am sure a study this
> >important has been published.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Earlier today I re-read a thread with you and Davey Gorski claiming
> "no evidence" of any harm to children ...

That reply doesn't give us the journal link ...

Mary
Ilena Rose - 28 Aug 2004 17:34 GMT
>> >Can you please give us the journal link for this? I am sure a study this
>> >important has been published.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Mary

J P Utz was kind enough to locate this for us ... and his comments.

>Well, here's the "evidence":
>http://oasys2.confex.com/acs/228nm/techprogram/P782000.HTM

>The fact of the matter is that this is a poster presented at a meeting. It
>is  not peer-reviewed or published.

>It is definitely food for thought, and may help scientists understand how
>silicone implants may harm people, if it turns out they do. But it is
>clearly preliminary, at beast.

Actually ... it is not so new and not so preliminary. It is an issue
that has been swept under the cover up as much as possible by the PR
teams of the silicone manufacturers and plastic surgeons.

Some of the worst studies claiming to show "no link between breast
implants and systemic illnesses" were peer reviewed, NEJM published,
tiny, short, manufacuturer funded "studies" that looked for the
diseases that the women do NOT have.

Platinum has been used for years in both saline and silicone implants
...

I will post some of the earlier works on this topic ... of course the
Junk Science Team pooo pooohed and tried to "debunk" it ...

Thanks for asking ... and thanks to Jeff Utz of the HealthFraud Team
for providing that link and dis medical degreed though not licensed
for several years ... opinion.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 28 Aug 2004 17:40 GMT
CORRECTION ... Sorry Jeff.

Thanks for asking ... and thanks to Jeff Utz of the HealthFraud Team
for providing that link and his medical degreed (though not licensed
for several years) ... opinion.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
hanson - 28 Aug 2004 18:02 GMT
> Platinum has been used for years in both saline and silicone implants
> ...

......that's why women with beautifully sculptured breast are
so **precious**.......get yourself a set and stop whining,....
become one of these luscious babes.......
ahahahaha.......ahahahanson

PS: Certain Pt-compounds (Cis-Platin) are sucseeful antineoplastics.
Jeff - 28 Aug 2004 22:40 GMT
> > Platinum has been used for years in both saline and silicone implants
> > ...
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> PS: Certain Pt-compounds (Cis-Platin) are sucseeful antineoplastics.

They are also very toxic compounds. They are  just more toxic to cancer
cells than normal cells. This also may suggest a mechanism for them to cause
cancer.

However, the study that showed a higher level of platinum in these women
needs to be published and replicated, we need  to learn what the platinum
compounds are, and what effects these have on the body.  We don't even have
definitive evidence that silicone implants even have the dangers that Ilena
conjectures. So there is a  long way to go.

Jeff
Ilena Rose - 28 Aug 2004 23:43 GMT
>> > Platinum has been used for years in both saline and silicone implants
>> > ...
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>Jeff

LOL ... by the time Jeff figures it out ... millions more will have
been implanted and put at risk ... and the Med Device & Plastic
Surgery Industries will be billions richer ...

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Jeff - 29 Aug 2004 00:05 GMT
> >> > Platinum has been used for years in both saline and silicone implants
> >> > ...
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> been implanted and put at risk ... and the Med Device & Plastic
> Surgery Industries will be billions richer ...

Or millions of women will have benefited from this procedure.

Jeff
CP - 29 Aug 2004 06:49 GMT
Jeff can't read the archives.  Stored in the National Breast Implant
Depository in Birmingham is a document stating the manufacturers could
not account for more than 700,000 women who had received breast
implants before 1992. This is on THEIR document, not FDA, not ASPRS,
and certainly not anything funded by the PSC. 440,000 women filed with
the MDL with thousands of pages of health information to back up their
illnesses.

That is a pretty high percentage of sick women.  But then, perhaps you
didn't do math in that fancy college or yours.

Perhaps Jeffy boy could benefit from a foot long penile implant.  When
are you getting yours, big boy...or are you going to stick around
braying like the donkey you are?

Pam

> > LOL ... by the time Jeff figures it out ... millions more will have
> > been implanted and put at risk ... and the Med Device & Plastic
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Jeff
Mary Fisher - 29 Aug 2004 10:35 GMT
> LOL ... by the time Jeff figures it out ... millions more will have
> been implanted and put at risk ... and the Med Device & Plastic
> Surgery Industries will be billions richer ...

Are richer companies the point? I mean, would you object as much if the
companies did it for no profit?

I feel it's sad that women feel the need to have implants at all, no matter
who profits.

Introducing foreign bodies into our own shouldn't be undertaken for cosmetic
reasons, I believe.

Mary

> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 29 Aug 2004 13:56 GMT
>> LOL ... by the time Jeff figures it out ... millions more will have
>> been implanted and put at risk ... and the Med Device & Plastic
>> Surgery Industries will be billions richer ...
>
>Are richer companies the point? I mean, would you object as much if the
>companies did it for no profit?

LOL ... interesting question ... unfortunately ... I do believe that
profit is totally what motivates the Silicone Makers and the PS's ...
it's an enormous business.

For example ... if a PS does ONLY two implant surgeries a week ... (I
know some who brag about 40 or more) ... that would add a half million
more dollars to add to the rest of their plastic surgery per year ...
just for those two surgeries. When you do the math ... it is
staggering ... many are making millions and millions a year on this
... and that is just for the first surgery.

To remove them ... typically ... it is not covered by insurance even
if the woman has it.

>I feel it's sad that women feel the need to have implants at all, no matter
>who profits.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Mary

It's a very dangerous choice ...

Thanks for your comments.

>> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Jeff - 29 Aug 2004 19:11 GMT
> >> LOL ... by the time Jeff figures it out ... millions more will have
> >> been implanted and put at risk ... and the Med Device & Plastic
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> profit is totally what motivates the Silicone Makers and the PS's ...
> it's an enormous business.

yeap. That is what the silicon chip and silicone makers are in business for.
PS's also want to make a profit. I believe that they are motivated by making
people happier with their appearances, but money is also a big motivator.

> For example ... if a PS does ONLY two implant surgeries a week ... (I
> know some who brag about 40 or more) ... that would add a half million
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> To remove them ... typically ... it is not covered by insurance even
> if the woman has it.

Neither is the implant, unless the implants are part of a repair, either for
trauma surgery or for reconstructive surgery related to another surgery,
like for breast cancer.

> >I feel it's sad that women feel the need to have implants at all, no matter
> >who profits.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> It's a very dangerous choice ...

It  is up to the women. If the women want to spend $20k for bigger boobs,
that is fine with me. Or $5k for a face-lift.

No chocie is without risk or benefit.

Jeff

> Thanks for your comments.
>
> >> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Coleah - 29 Aug 2004 20:50 GMT
> > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
(snip)
> yeap. That is what the silicon chip and silicone makers are in business
> for.
> PS's also want to make a profit. I believe that they are motivated by
> making
> people happier with their appearances, but money is also a big motivator.

Well, of course money is a motivator.  No one stays in business if it is
not profitable, particularily if it is their livelihood.  Any 'product' sold
through
a PS must be approved by the FDA.  The risks of the procedure,
complications, etc must thoroughly explained.

If there were problems with silicone implants, those need to be addressed
to the satisfaction of the FDA.  If a product is approved by the FDA and
the PS gets a signed agreement that states all the risks have been
explained and understood by the patient, then that is as above board
as a reasonable person could expect.

The current "push" to eliminate "all women's" choice of whether to
receive breast implants (for any reason) is apalling.
Jeff - 29 Aug 2004 21:08 GMT
> > > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> (snip)
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> The current "push" to eliminate "all women's" choice of whether to
> receive breast implants (for any reason) is apalling.

Exactly. Every woman needs to learn for herself the costs, risks and
benefits of the procedure and decided for herself whether or not she should
get it.

It is not up to me or anyone else to decided whether  or not a women should
be allowed  to have the procedure; that is between her and her doctor.

Jeff
Coleah - 29 Aug 2004 21:47 GMT
>> > > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
>> (snip)
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> Jeff

As a woman who was damaged physically and had her health take a dramatic
nose dive involving silicone breast implants, I know first hand the things
that CAN happen.
If the FDA can address the issues and make an approval determination about
FUTURE
breast implants based on all the information they have available to them,
who
am I to stand in some other woman's way of making her own choices.

I can share my experience.  I can address the things I would like to see
'disclosed' to future women who are considering getting breast implants
based upon my experience and reference to documented scientific
studies/statistics.

I don't understand the continuing 'hate' expressed about manufacturer's
who have been called on the carpet, slapped around with lawsuits and
made to paid damages to people like me.  Their 'product' was never
FDA approved.  Their 'product' was taken off the market.

New 'products' need to be approved by the FDA to protect future generations.
What more do the hate mongers want?

The continual 'beating up' the manufacturers for what 'was' is not changing
a damn thing about the direction the entire issue is progressing.  It won't
improve the health or well being of any woman who's life has been
affected in a negative manner.

If anything, all the hate-mongering saps the strength from the ill women
to keep reaching out for their own healing, improved health and a focus
on the future.

In my personal life I get asked a lot about 'what happened to your breasts'?
It is very obvious they are gone, especially when I 'go natural' without
stuffing a bra with slippery falsies that move north, south, east and west.

It's my opportunity to share my story, from my experience and
perspective about what I know, don't know and don't want to
guess about and call it reality regarding my situation.

Women can wallow in yesterday, whine about their lot in life and it
won't change a damn thing.  Not all the name calling, accusations and
lies about people being connected to 'secret conspiracy's' for the
manufacturers will change a thing for women damaged by breast implants.

Those who engage in this ongoing backward looking insanity are not
necessarily implanted women themselves....but publicity seekers.
Ilena Rose - 29 Aug 2004 23:25 GMT
>> > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
>(snip)
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>through
>a PS must be approved by the FDA.

Wrong, wronger, Wrongest.

Go to the back of your class.

It was only in the Spring of 2000 that, under excruciating pressure
from the manfacturings interests, the FDA gave the "safe enough" stamp
to saline implants ...

Never has a silicone gel breast implant been approved for safety by
the FDA ... and in January, 2004, they specifically did NOT approve
Inamed's breast implant.

Is this why you never completed a Residency in Pediatrics, Jeffie?
Coleah - 29 Aug 2004 23:53 GMT
>>> > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
>>(snip)
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Is this why you never completed a Residency in Pediatrics, Jeffie?

First of all NitWit, you are responding to MY response to Jeff.....
This IS 2004......
we are not talking 'yesterday', we are talking TODAY....the HERE AND NOW.
We are not talking 1992 or 2000.

AGAIN:
Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA.
Ilena Rose - 30 Aug 2004 15:02 GMT
>AGAIN:
>Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA.

That is absolutely untrue and typical Junk Science Disinformation ...
just like your lies about the science of breast implants.

The silicone gel breast implant has NEVER been approved ... and again
in January 2004 the FDA FAILED to approve Inamed's gel implants.

It was only in Spring, 2000 that the FDA gave the "safe enough"
"approval" to saline implants ... after PS's had been selling them for
close to 4 decades.

You might fool the other idiot shills and flacks ... but you are lying
yet again.
Coleah - 30 Aug 2004 15:37 GMT
>>AGAIN:
>>Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> The silicone gel breast implant has NEVER been approved ...

Nor is it a product sold to the 'general public' in the U.S., is it?
Ian St. John - 30 Aug 2004 15:45 GMT
>>> AGAIN:
>>> Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Nor is it a product sold to the 'general public' in the U.S., is it?

Yes it is, regardless of who installs it.
Coleah - 30 Aug 2004 16:33 GMT
>>>> AGAIN:
>>>> Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Yes it is, regardless of who installs it.

Silicone breast implants were taken off the market to the general public in
1992.
They not been approved to be put back on the market.
So Ian, where are they freely sold in the U.S., as you indicate they are
with your "yes it is" ?
Ian St. John - 30 Aug 2004 23:26 GMT
>>>>> AGAIN:
>>>>> Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Silicone breast implants were taken off the market to the general
> public in 1992.

The point is that the purchase by doctors does not mean that implants are
not merchandised to the public. The doctor is just an intermediary.

> They not been approved to be put back on the market.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/08/silicone.implants/
"Last year(2003), an FDA advisory panel voted 9-6 to resume allowing
silicone-type implants, but only if biopsies were conducted when an implant
is removed to check for any complications. The panel also recommended that
an MRI should be considered if it's suspected that an implant has ruptured."

http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/ode/guidance/1354.html
"In the FEDERAL REGISTER of June 24, 1988 (53 FR 23863), FDA issued a final
rule classifying the silicone gel-filled breast prosthesis into class III
(21 CFR 878.3540). On January 6, 1989 (54 FR 550), FDA published a notice of
intent to require premarket approval. On April 10, 1991 (56 FR 14620), FDA
required a PMA for these devices be filed with the Agency within 90 days. To
date, an approved PMA or PDP is required for marketing."

> So Ian, where are they freely sold in the U.S., as you indicate they
> are with your "yes it is" ?

Pretty much at any cosmetic surgery practice. Usually used in reconstructive
surgery, rather than breast enhancement.
http://www.amershamhealth.com/medcyclopaedia/medical/Volume%20III%202/BREAST%20I
MPLANT.ASP

"However, for breast reconstruction the restrictions are less limiting.
Silicone gel has a more breast-like consistency than saline. "
Ilena Rose - 30 Aug 2004 18:05 GMT
>>>AGAIN:
>>>Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Nor is it a product sold to the 'general public' in the U.S., is it?

LOL ... silicone shuffling again, we see!

>>>Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA.
Coleah - 30 Aug 2004 19:15 GMT
>>>>AGAIN:
>>>>Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>>>>Any 'product' sold through a PS must be approved by the FDA.

You know Ilena, for a woman who has never had silicone breast implants
herself, you sure have your nose stuck firmly up the a.ses of those of us
who have....while 'pretending' to be a professional Director of a non-profit
advocacy for breast implant women.

No wonder the FDA deleted you as a referral from their website as soon as
they got to observe just a little of your "advocacy"....'in action'.  How
sad that you are a smart mouthed failure, but you don't have to take it out
on me.
Ilena Rose - 30 Aug 2004 19:41 GMT
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:15:54 -0700, "Coleah" <coleahp@yahoo.com> is
lying yet again ...

silicone gel breast implants are NOT FDA approved ... that is just her
typical Junk Science Disinformation.

To read about that process, please visit:

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Coleah - 30 Aug 2004 19:45 GMT
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:15:54 -0700, "Coleah" <coleahp@yahoo.com> is
> lying yet again ...
>
> silicone gel breast implants are NOT FDA approved ... that is just her
> typical Junk Science Disinformation.

I did NOT the were!
Take a reading comprehension course, Ilena.
You really are a pesky hornet., besides a stupid jerkess.
Ilena Rose - 30 Aug 2004 19:49 GMT
>I did NOT the were!

First time you haven't lied in months ...

Plastic Surgeons sell silicone breast implants every day and they are
NOT approved for safety by the FDA ...

Do NOT believe the lies of the Junk Science Shills here on Usenet.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 30 Aug 2004 19:51 GMT
~~~ thanks to Marlene Keeling ~~~

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou040209_jw_upcloseplatinumbreastimplan
ts.49c2106.html


Up Close: Implant problems could be caused by toxic metal
10:30 PM CST on Monday, February 9, 2004

By Janice Williamson / 11 News

Click to watch video

It's commonly known as a precious metal. But some Houston women
believe platinum is taking something precious from them. The women,
along with a growing number of researchers, believe platinum in their
silicone breast implants poisoned them.

The quest for beauty often leads to plastic surgery. Much has been
written about the silicone gel breast implants that for a time were
blamed on a variety of illnesses in women.

KHOU-TV
Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel
implants.
Marlene Keeling spends hours every day working to solve the mystery.
If it wasn't the silicone that made her ill, then what did? "I
consider this the worst mistake of my life," laments Keeling. "This is
a foreign substance you're putting into your body. The body doesn't
have the mechanism to eliminate it from the body. Over time it's been
shown to break down."

She's come to believe it wasn't necessarily the silicone alone that
sapped her energy, caused shooting pains in her legs and affected her
memory. "My implant was in the small study that was tested. It
released significant amounts of platinum," explains Keeling. "And also
my blood, urine, sweat, hair and nails were all tested and they
contained significant amounts of platinum."

Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel
implants.

Dr. Ernest Lykissa also uses it in his toxicology lab. "You know why I
have it in this container?" asks Dr. Lykissa. "I wouldn't dare open it
unless I have personal protection."

The toxicologist has tested small groups of women for platinum
poisoning, including 32 women with ruptured implants. Of those, almost
half had high platinum levels. Dr. Lykissa says the women's levels
were as much as 60 percent higher than woman who didn't have silicone
implants.

German researchers have also published a small study that found
platinum and siloxanes leak from implants and accumulate in their
surrounding tissues.

Dr. Lykissa believes it's a reactive platinum that makes silicone gel
implants dangerous. "Ma'am, I wouldn't let my dog to have these things
in them," says Dr. Lykissa.

Platinum can be found in pollution. It's also emitted by the catalytic
converters in our vehicles.

But researchers doubt the exposure is great enough to cause the high
platinum levels found in women with ruptured implants.

"Is it the platinum? Is it the silicone? Is it the gel? Is it the
sand? Who knows, " says Dr. Rod Rohrich.

The president of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons argues it
has been impossible to scientifically link breast implants with any
specific illnesses. But Dr. Rohrich also says, "It comes back to the
fact we want every implant whether its silicone or not to be safe.
That's why we encourage more probing into these types of problems. We
want to do more patient safety studies."

For now, the Food and Drug Administration believes platinum does not
pose a risk. But told 11 news they will: "Continue to review the
scientific literature for any new information related to the safety of
platinum compounds that may be present in silicone gel implants."

"I never thought that would be possible because I thought certainly if
a doctor is putting them in me they're safe," says Yvonne Perkins. But
she doesn't think so anymore. She's been diagnosed with multiple
sclerosis and has tested positive for an extremely toxic type of
platinum.

What's worse she says is her daughter, Kaitlen. "My daughter had
levels high enough to be alarming," says Perkins.

Born after her mother got silicone implants, the 15-year-old has
suffered a variety of illnesses. At three there was leg pain. At the
age of 12, Kaitlen was put on human growth hormones because she
weighed less than 50 pounds.

Perkins worries her daughter's health problems, could be linked to the
decision she made to get silicone breast implants. "A very long, hard
road," says Perkins. "Forgiveness is the key. I've had to learn to
forgive myself."

Perkins wants young women willing to undergo surgery to achieve a
better body to be made aware of the price they could eventually pay.

Platinum isn't just used in the manufacture of silicone implants, it's
also used to make saline implants. And just to clarify, platinum is
used in the casing that surrounds the implant.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For more information on the risks of breast implants, please visit:

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 30 Aug 2004 20:33 GMT
~~~ thanks to Marlene Keeling ~~~

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou040209_jw_upcloseplatinumbreastimplan
ts.49c2106.html


Up Close: Implant problems could be caused by toxic metal
10:30 PM CST on Monday, February 9, 2004

By Janice Williamson / 11 News

Click to watch video

It's commonly known as a precious metal. But some Houston women
believe platinum is taking something precious from them. The women,
along with a growing number of researchers, believe platinum in their
silicone breast implants poisoned them.

The quest for beauty often leads to plastic surgery. Much has been
written about the silicone gel breast implants that for a time were
blamed on a variety of illnesses in women.

KHOU-TV
Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel
implants.
Marlene Keeling spends hours every day working to solve the mystery.
If it wasn't the silicone that made her ill, then what did? "I
consider this the worst mistake of my life," laments Keeling. "This is
a foreign substance you're putting into your body. The body doesn't
have the mechanism to eliminate it from the body. Over time it's been
shown to break down."

She's come to believe it wasn't necessarily the silicone alone that
sapped her energy, caused shooting pains in her legs and affected her
memory. "My implant was in the small study that was tested. It
released significant amounts of platinum," explains Keeling. "And also
my blood, urine, sweat, hair and nails were all tested and they
contained significant amounts of platinum."

Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel
implants.

Dr. Ernest Lykissa also uses it in his toxicology lab. "You know why I
have it in this container?" asks Dr. Lykissa. "I wouldn't dare open it
unless I have personal protection."

The toxicologist has tested small groups of women for platinum
poisoning, including 32 women with ruptured implants. Of those, almost
half had high platinum levels. Dr. Lykissa says the women's levels
were as much as 60 percent higher than woman who didn't have silicone
implants.

German researchers have also published a small study that found
platinum and siloxanes leak from implants and accumulate in their
surrounding tissues.

Dr. Lykissa believes it's a reactive platinum that makes silicone gel
implants dangerous. "Ma'am, I wouldn't let my dog to have these things
in them," says Dr. Lykissa.

Platinum can be found in pollution. It's also emitted by the catalytic
converters in our vehicles.

But researchers doubt the exposure is great enough to cause the high
platinum levels found in women with ruptured implants.

"Is it the platinum? Is it the silicone? Is it the gel? Is it the
sand? Who knows, " says Dr. Rod Rohrich.

The president of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons argues it
has been impossible to scientifically link breast implants with any
specific illnesses. But Dr. Rohrich also says, "It comes back to the
fact we want every implant whether its silicone or not to be safe.
That's why we encourage more probing into these types of problems. We
want to do more patient safety studies."

For now, the Food and Drug Administration believes platinum does not
pose a risk. But told 11 news they will: "Continue to review the
scientific literature for any new information related to the safety of
platinum compounds that may be present in silicone gel implants."

"I never thought that would be possible because I thought certainly if
a doctor is putting them in me they're safe," says Yvonne Perkins. But
she doesn't think so anymore. She's been diagnosed with multiple
sclerosis and has tested positive for an extremely toxic type of
platinum.

What's worse she says is her daughter, Kaitlen. "My daughter had
levels high enough to be alarming," says Perkins.

Born after her mother got silicone implants, the 15-year-old has
suffered a variety of illnesses. At three there was leg pain. At the
age of 12, Kaitlen was put on human growth hormones because she
weighed less than 50 pounds.

Perkins worries her daughter's health problems, could be linked to the
decision she made to get silicone breast implants. "A very long, hard
road," says Perkins. "Forgiveness is the key. I've had to learn to
forgive myself."

Perkins wants young women willing to undergo surgery to achieve a
better body to be made aware of the price they could eventually pay.

Platinum isn't just used in the manufacture of silicone implants, it's
also used to make saline implants. And just to clarify, platinum is
used in the casing that surrounds the implant.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For more information on the risks of breast implants, please visit:

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 31 Aug 2004 13:34 GMT
~~~ thanks to Marlene Keeling ~~~

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou040209_jw_upcloseplatinumbreastimplan
ts.49c2106.html


Up Close: Implant problems could be caused by toxic metal
10:30 PM CST on Monday, February 9, 2004

By Janice Williamson / 11 News

Click to watch video

It's commonly known as a precious metal. But some Houston women
believe platinum is taking something precious from them. The women,
along with a growing number of researchers, believe platinum in their
silicone breast implants poisoned them.

The quest for beauty often leads to plastic surgery. Much has been
written about the silicone gel breast implants that for a time were
blamed on a variety of illnesses in women.

KHOU-TV
Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel
implants.
Marlene Keeling spends hours every day working to solve the mystery.
If it wasn't the silicone that made her ill, then what did? "I
consider this the worst mistake of my life," laments Keeling. "This is
a foreign substance you're putting into your body. The body doesn't
have the mechanism to eliminate it from the body. Over time it's been
shown to break down."

She's come to believe it wasn't necessarily the silicone alone that
sapped her energy, caused shooting pains in her legs and affected her
memory. "My implant was in the small study that was tested. It
released significant amounts of platinum," explains Keeling. "And also
my blood, urine, sweat, hair and nails were all tested and they
contained significant amounts of platinum."

Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel
implants.

Dr. Ernest Lykissa also uses it in his toxicology lab. "You know why I
have it in this container?" asks Dr. Lykissa. "I wouldn't dare open it
unless I have personal protection."

The toxicologist has tested small groups of women for platinum
poisoning, including 32 women with ruptured implants. Of those, almost
half had high platinum levels. Dr. Lykissa says the women's levels
were as much as 60 percent higher than woman who didn't have silicone
implants.

German researchers have also published a small study that found
platinum and siloxanes leak from implants and accumulate in their
surrounding tissues.

Dr. Lykissa believes it's a reactive platinum that makes silicone gel
implants dangerous. "Ma'am, I wouldn't let my dog to have these things
in them," says Dr. Lykissa.

Platinum can be found in pollution. It's also emitted by the catalytic
converters in our vehicles.

But researchers doubt the exposure is great enough to cause the high
platinum levels found in women with ruptured implants.

"Is it the platinum? Is it the silicone? Is it the gel? Is it the
sand? Who knows, " says Dr. Rod Rohrich.

The president of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons argues it
has been impossible to scientifically link breast implants with any
specific illnesses. But Dr. Rohrich also says, "It comes back to the
fact we want every implant whether its silicone or not to be safe.
That's why we encourage more probing into these types of problems. We
want to do more patient safety studies."

For now, the Food and Drug Administration believes platinum does not
pose a risk. But told 11 news they will: "Continue to review the
scientific literature for any new information related to the safety of
platinum compounds that may be present in silicone gel implants."

"I never thought that would be possible because I thought certainly if
a doctor is putting them in me they're safe," says Yvonne Perkins. But
she doesn't think so anymore. She's been diagnosed with multiple
sclerosis and has tested positive for an extremely toxic type of
platinum.

What's worse she says is her daughter, Kaitlen. "My daughter had
levels high enough to be alarming," says Perkins.

Born after her mother got silicone implants, the 15-year-old has
suffered a variety of illnesses. At three there was leg pain. At the
age of 12, Kaitlen was put on human growth hormones because she
weighed less than 50 pounds.

Perkins worries her daughter's health problems, could be linked to the
decision she made to get silicone breast implants. "A very long, hard
road," says Perkins. "Forgiveness is the key. I've had to learn to
forgive myself."

Perkins wants young women willing to undergo surgery to achieve a
better body to be made aware of the price they could eventually pay.

Platinum isn't just used in the manufacture of silicone implants, it's
also used to make saline implants. And just to clarify, platinum is
used in the casing that surrounds the implant.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For more information on the risks of breast implants, please visit:

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 25 Oct 2004 13:46 GMT
~~~ thanks to Marlene Keeling ~~~

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou040209_jw_upcloseplatinumbreastimplan
ts.49c2106.html


Up Close: Implant problems could be caused by toxic metal
10:30 PM CST on Monday, February 9, 2004

By Janice Williamson / 11 News

Click to watch video

It's commonly known as a precious metal. But some Houston women
believe platinum is taking something precious from them. The women,
along with a growing number of researchers, believe platinum in their
silicone breast implants poisoned them.

The quest for beauty often leads to plastic surgery. Much has been
written about the silicone gel breast implants that for a time were
blamed on a variety of illnesses in women.

KHOU-TV
Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel
implants.
Marlene Keeling spends hours every day working to solve the mystery.
If it wasn't the silicone that made her ill, then what did? "I
consider this the worst mistake of my life," laments Keeling. "This is
a foreign substance you're putting into your body. The body doesn't
have the mechanism to eliminate it from the body. Over time it's been
shown to break down."

She's come to believe it wasn't necessarily the silicone alone that
sapped her energy, caused shooting pains in her legs and affected her
memory. "My implant was in the small study that was tested. It
released significant amounts of platinum," explains Keeling. "And also
my blood, urine, sweat, hair and nails were all tested and they
contained significant amounts of platinum."

Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel
implants.

Dr. Ernest Lykissa also uses it in his toxicology lab. "You know why I
have it in this container?" asks Dr. Lykissa. "I wouldn't dare open it
unless I have personal protection."

The toxicologist has tested small groups of women for platinum
poisoning, including 32 women with ruptured implants. Of those, almost
half had high platinum levels. Dr. Lykissa says the women's levels
were as much as 60 percent higher than woman who didn't have silicone
implants.

German researchers have also published a small study that found
platinum and siloxanes leak from implants and accumulate in their
surrounding tissues.

Dr. Lykissa believes it's a reactive platinum that makes silicone gel
implants dangerous. "Ma'am, I wouldn't let my dog to have these things
in them," says Dr. Lykissa.

Platinum can be found in pollution. It's also emitted by the catalytic
converters in our vehicles.

But researchers doubt the exposure is great enough to cause the high
platinum levels found in women with ruptured implants.

"Is it the platinum? Is it the silicone? Is it the gel? Is it the
sand? Who knows, " says Dr. Rod Rohrich.

The president of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons argues it
has been impossible to scientifically link breast implants with any
specific illnesses. But Dr. Rohrich also says, "It comes back to the
fact we want every implant whether its silicone or not to be safe.
That's why we encourage more probing into these types of problems. We
want to do more patient safety studies."

For now, the Food and Drug Administration believes platinum does not
pose a risk. But told 11 news they will: "Continue to review the
scientific literature for any new information related to the safety of
platinum compounds that may be present in silicone gel implants."

"I never thought that would be possible because I thought certainly if
a doctor is putting them in me they're safe," says Yvonne Perkins. But
she doesn't think so anymore. She's been diagnosed with multiple
sclerosis and has tested positive for an extremely toxic type of
platinum.

What's worse she says is her daughter, Kaitlen. "My daughter had
levels high enough to be alarming," says Perkins.

Born after her mother got silicone implants, the 15-year-old has
suffered a variety of illnesses. At three there was leg pain. At the
age of 12, Kaitlen was put on human growth hormones because she
weighed less than 50 pounds.

Perkins worries her daughter's health problems, could be linked to the
decision she made to get silicone breast implants. "A very long, hard
road," says Perkins. "Forgiveness is the key. I've had to learn to
forgive myself."

Perkins wants young women willing to undergo surgery to achieve a
better body to be made aware of the price they could eventually pay.

Platinum isn't just used in the manufacture of silicone implants, it's
also used to make saline implants. And just to clarify, platinum is
used in the casing that surrounds the implant.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For more information on the risks of breast implants, please visit:

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 11 Dec 2004 20:04 GMT
~~~ thanks to Marlene Keeling ~~~

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou040209_jw_upcloseplatinumbreastimplan
ts.49c2106.html


Up Close: Implant problems could be caused by toxic metal
10:30 PM CST on Monday, February 9, 2004

By Janice Williamson / 11 News

Click to watch video

It's commonly known as a precious metal. But some Houston women
believe platinum is taking something precious from them. The women,
along with a growing number of researchers, believe platinum in their
silicone breast implants poisoned them.

The quest for beauty often leads to plastic surgery. Much has been
written about the silicone gel breast implants that for a time were
blamed on a variety of illnesses in women.

KHOU-TV
Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel
implants.
Marlene Keeling spends hours every day working to solve the mystery.
If it wasn't the silicone that made her ill, then what did? "I
consider this the worst mistake of my life," laments Keeling. "This is
a foreign substance you're putting into your body. The body doesn't
have the mechanism to eliminate it from the body. Over time it's been
shown to break down."

She's come to believe it wasn't necessarily the silicone alone that
sapped her energy, caused shooting pains in her legs and affected her
memory. "My implant was in the small study that was tested. It
released significant amounts of platinum," explains Keeling. "And also
my blood, urine, sweat, hair and nails were all tested and they
contained significant amounts of platinum."

Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel
implants.

Dr. Ernest Lykissa also uses it in his toxicology lab. "You know why I
have it in this container?" asks Dr. Lykissa. "I wouldn't dare open it
unless I have personal protection."

The toxicologist has tested small groups of women for platinum
poisoning, including 32 women with ruptured implants. Of those, almost
half had high platinum levels. Dr. Lykissa says the women's levels
were as much as 60 percent higher than woman who didn't have silicone
implants.

German researchers have also published a small study that found
platinum and siloxanes leak from implants and accumulate in their
surrounding tissues.

Dr. Lykissa believes it's a reactive platinum that makes silicone gel
implants dangerous. "Ma'am, I wouldn't let my dog to have these things
in them," says Dr. Lykissa.

Platinum can be found in pollution. It's also emitted by the catalytic
converters in our vehicles.

But researchers doubt the exposure is great enough to cause the high
platinum levels found in women with ruptured implants.

"Is it the platinum? Is it the silicone? Is it the gel? Is it the
sand? Who knows, " says Dr. Rod Rohrich.

The president of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons argues it
has been impossible to scientifically link breast implants with any
specific illnesses. But Dr. Rohrich also says, "It comes back to the
fact we want every implant whether its silicone or not to be safe.
That's why we encourage more probing into these types of problems. We
want to do more patient safety studies."

For now, the Food and Drug Administration believes platinum does not
pose a risk. But told 11 news they will: "Continue to review the
scientific literature for any new information related to the safety of
platinum compounds that may be present in silicone gel implants."

"I never thought that would be possible because I thought certainly if
a doctor is putting them in me they're safe," says Yvonne Perkins. But
she doesn't think so anymore. She's been diagnosed with multiple
sclerosis and has tested positive for an extremely toxic type of
platinum.

What's worse she says is her daughter, Kaitlen. "My daughter had
levels high enough to be alarming," says Perkins.

Born after her mother got silicone implants, the 15-year-old has
suffered a variety of illnesses. At three there was leg pain. At the
age of 12, Kaitlen was put on human growth hormones because she
weighed less than 50 pounds.

Perkins worries her daughter's health problems, could be linked to the
decision she made to get silicone breast implants. "A very long, hard
road," says Perkins. "Forgiveness is the key. I've had to learn to
forgive myself."

Perkins wants young women willing to undergo surgery to achieve a
better body to be made aware of the price they could eventually pay.

Platinum isn't just used in the manufacture of silicone implants, it's
also used to make saline implants. And just to clarify, platinum is
used in the casing that surrounds the implant.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For more information on the risks of breast implants, please visit:

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Ilena Rose - 07 Aug 2005 20:56 GMT
~~~ thanks to Marlene Keeling ~~~

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou040209_jw_upcloseplatinumbreastimplan
ts.49c2106.html


Up Close: Implant problems could be caused by toxic metal
10:30 PM CST on Monday, February 9, 2004

By Janice Williamson / 11 News

Click to watch video

It's commonly known as a precious metal. But some Houston women
believe platinum is taking something precious from them. The women,
along with a growing number of researchers, believe platinum in their
silicone breast implants poisoned them.

The quest for beauty often leads to plastic surgery. Much has been
written about the silicone gel breast implants that for a time were
blamed on a variety of illnesses in women.

KHOU-TV
Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel
implants.
Marlene Keeling spends hours every day working to solve the mystery.
If it wasn't the silicone that made her ill, then what did? "I
consider this the worst mistake of my life," laments Keeling. "This is
a foreign substance you're putting into your body. The body doesn't
have the mechanism to eliminate it from the body. Over time it's been
shown to break down."

She's come to believe it wasn't necessarily the silicone alone that
sapped her energy, caused shooting pains in her legs and affected her
memory. "My implant was in the small study that was tested. It
released significant amounts of platinum," explains Keeling. "And also
my blood, urine, sweat, hair and nails were all tested and they
contained significant amounts of platinum."

Platinum is a catalyst used in the manufacture of silicone gel
implants.

Dr. Ernest Lykissa also uses it in his toxicology lab. "You know why I
have it in this container?" asks Dr. Lykissa. "I wouldn't dare open it
unless I have personal protection."

The toxicologist has tested small groups of women for platinum
poisoning, including 32 women with ruptured implants. Of those, almost
half had high platinum levels. Dr. Lykissa says the women's levels
were as much as 60 percent higher than woman who didn't have silicone
implants.

German researchers have also published a small study that found
platinum and siloxanes leak from implants and accumulate in their
surrounding tissues.

Dr. Lykissa believes it's a reactive platinum that makes silicone gel
implants dangerous. "Ma'am, I wouldn't let my dog to have these things
in them," says Dr. Lykissa.

Platinum can be found in pollution. It's also emitted by the catalytic
converters in our vehicles.

But researchers doubt the exposure is great enough to cause the high
platinum levels found in women with ruptured implants.

"Is it the platinum? Is it the silicone? Is it the gel? Is it the
sand? Who knows, " says Dr. Rod Rohrich.

The president of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons argues it
has been impossible to scientifically link breast implants with any
specific illnesses. But Dr. Rohrich also says, "It comes back to the
fact we want every implant whether its silicone or not to be safe.
That's why we encourage more probing into these types of problems. We
want to do more patient safety studies."

For now, the Food and Drug Administration believes platinum does not
pose a risk. But told 11 news they will: "Continue to review the
scientific literature for any new information related to the safety of
platinum compounds that may be present in silicone gel implants."

"I never thought that would be possible because I thought certainly if
a doctor is putting them in me they're safe," says Yvonne Perkins. But
she doesn't think so anymore. She's been diagnosed with multiple
sclerosis and has tested positive for an extremely toxic type of
platinum.

What's worse she says is her daughter, Kaitlen. "My daughter had
levels high enough to be alarming," says Perkins.

Born after her mother got silicone implants, the 15-year-old has
suffered a variety of illnesses. At three there was leg pain. At the
age of 12, Kaitlen was put on human growth hormones because she
weighed less than 50 pounds.

Perkins worries her daughter's health problems, could be linked to the
decision she made to get silicone breast implants. "A very long, hard
road," says Perkins. "Forgiveness is the key. I've had to learn to
forgive myself."

Perkins wants young women willing to undergo surgery to achieve a
better body to be made aware of the price they could eventually pay.

Platinum isn't just used in the manufacture of silicone implants, it's
also used to make saline implants. And just to clarify, platinum is
used in the casing that surrounds the implant.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For more information on the risks of breast implants, please visit:

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Jeff - 30 Aug 2004 02:41 GMT
> >> > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> >(snip)
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> >through
> >a PS must be approved by the FDA.

Ilena, please stop being intellectually dishonest. I did not say these
words. Someone else did.

> Wrong, wronger, Wrongest.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> from the manfacturings interests, the FDA gave the "safe enough" stamp
> to saline implants ...

What is the safe enough stamp? I don't recall seeing that one anywhere.

> Never has a silicone gel breast implant been approved for safety by
> the FDA ... and in January, 2004, they specifically did NOT approve
> Inamed's breast implant.
>
> Is this why you never completed a Residency in Pediatrics, Jeffie?

I did  not that approval procedures for medical devices was part of the
medical or residency program.

I noticed how you removed the comments that I did make without
ackonowledging that fact. I also noticed how you did not respond to them.

Tisk tisk.

Jeff
Ilena Rose - 29 Aug 2004 23:28 GMT
>> > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
>(snip)
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>a PS must be approved by the FDA.  The risks of the procedure,
>complications, etc must thoroughly explained.

YOU wrote this Coleah?

You put this utter and total BS under your own name?

I apologize to J P Utz ... I thought I had clicked on your comment ...

You would have been mistaken ...

For Coleah to put out this level of disinformation knowing full well
the history of breast implants ... reaches Propaganda Proportions
never before written ... even by her.
Coleah - 29 Aug 2004 23:55 GMT
>>> > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
>>(snip)
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> the history of breast implants ... reaches Propaganda Proportions
> never before written ... even by her.

What are you sniffing up your nose today?  Reading comprehension problems,
confusing people and just yapping to the universe out of context.
Go Ilena!
Jeff - 30 Aug 2004 02:44 GMT
> >>> > "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> >>(snip)
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> confusing people and just yapping to the universe out of context.
> Go Ilena!

Actually, it is quite clear that she edited the post specifically to make it
look like I said that. She removed the '>'s before your comments. news
editors  don't do that on purpose.

Jeff
hanson - 29 Aug 2004 22:19 GMT
> I feel it's sad that women feel the need to have implants
> at all, no matter who profits.
> Introducing foreign bodies into our own shouldn't be
> undertaken for cosmetic reasons, I believe.
> Mary

Mary, Mary, Mary....your (heart)felt and expressed "sadness"
may have its roots either in....
a) that you are condescending, because you have a nice set
and you don't need any Silicone-fixens, or
b) that you really need and wish improvement but you can't
afford it for whatever reasons.
In any event statistics show that your sadness rings hollow.
Get with the program, my dear, fixx'em......and enjoy life.
A great pair of breasts/hooters/boobs/knockers/jugs is a sight
to behold and marvel over...siliconed or not!
ahahahaha.......ahahahanson
Ilena Rose - 29 Aug 2004 23:34 GMT
>In any event statistics show that your sadness rings hollow.
>Get with the program, my dear, fixx'em......and enjoy life.
>A great pair of breasts/hooters/boobs/knockers/jugs is a sight
>to behold and marvel over...siliconed or not!
>ahahahaha.......ahahahanson

down boy.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
hanson - 30 Aug 2004 15:32 GMT
> >In any event statistics show that your [*] sadness rings hollow.
> >Get with the program, my dear [Mary], fixx'em......and enjoy life.
> >A great pair of breasts/hooters/boobs/knockers/jugs is a sight
> >to behold and to marvel over...siliconed or not!
> >ahahahaha.......ahahahanson

[*] = was addressed to Mary Fisher and not to Illena.

[Ilena Rose]
> down boy.

[hanson]
ahahaha......AHAHAHAHAHHAHA....woahahahahaha.....
So, our Illena is into animal love and zoo fun, ...ahahaha..
Do you prefer tiny lap dogs or heavy duty slurpers, like
Saint Bernards? .....you sound so DESPERATE, Illena...
Your Freudian slip here does reveal at a lot about you, Illena.
But enjoy yourself.....whicheverway........ahahahahaha...
ahahaha.....ahahanson
Jeff - 30 Aug 2004 02:45 GMT
> > I feel it's sad that women feel the need to have implants
> > at all, no matter who profits.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> to behold and marvel over...siliconed or not!
> ahahahaha.......ahahahanson

Actually, this about women who make the choice  to get implants to feel
better about themselves. And a fair number of these ladies get these
implants after beast removal for cancer.

Jeff
Mary Fisher - 30 Aug 2004 20:34 GMT
> > > I feel it's sad that women feel the need to have implants
> > > at all, no matter who profits.
> > > Introducing foreign bodies into our own shouldn't be
> > > undertaken for cosmetic reasons, I believe.
> > > Mary

I don't think I should respond to this, the whole thread as been reduced to
nastiness. However, since it's come to a personal response to me, from
politeness I shall reply to your offensive and silly post. Once only.

> > Mary, Mary, Mary....your (heart)felt and expressed "sadness"
> > may have its roots either in....
> > a) that you are condescending, because you have a nice set
> > and you don't need any Silicone-fixens, or

I don't believe that anyone NEEDS silicone-fixens, my point was that it's
sad that women DO feel that they do. I don';t think you understood my point,
which is your problem. Women aren't just a pair of breasts. If that's what
men think that they are those men don't deserve to be considered. There's
much more to us.

> > b) that you really need and wish improvement but you can't
> > afford it for whatever reasons.

I neither need nor wish improvement to my breasts. I wanted a bilateral
mastectomy and if I have a recurrence I shall have one. and there's no way
that I'd want reconstruction or implants whether I had to pay for it or not
(in UK I wouldn't have to pay).

> > In any event statistics show that your sadness rings hollow.

That's my point, that women feel they have to have breasts, real or false,
to be whole. Would they push for a false finger if they lost one? Fingers
are far more important than breasts.

> > Get with the program, my dear, fixx'em......and enjoy life.

Oh I DO enjoy life, nothing's going to stop my enjoyment. Except the
ultimate full stop. That's death, by the way.

> > A great pair of breasts/hooters/boobs/knockers/jugs is a sight
> > to behold and marvel over...siliconed or not!

You're very silly. Those who do take notice of you and those like you are
misguided and I'm sad for them.

By the way, I don't have hooter/boob/knocker/jug cancer, I have breast
cancer. Your slang terms shows you in your true light and diminishes you.

> Actually, this about women who make the choice  to get implants to feel
> better about themselves.

I still say that they don't need implants to feel good about themselves.
Women are not a pair of breasts, we have far more to offer the world.
Jeff - 31 Aug 2004 01:09 GMT
Note: The comments preceeded by three or four '>'s are not mine. Only those
proceed by 2 of these

> > > > I feel it's sad that women feel the need to have implants
> > > > at all, no matter who profits.
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> to be whole. Would they push for a false finger if they lost one? Fingers
> are far more important than breasts.

Not if you want to breast feed your baby.

Actually, whenever a person loses a body part or has a body part that is
different from other body parts, that can be a source of mental distress.

Hair is practically useless. Yet patients undergoing chemotherapy are
greatly upset by their loss of hair. People who lose limbs are upset not
only by he loss of use of the  limb, but by their appearence. People who
have facial injuries are upset both by the loss of thier looks. People who
get bruised in a crash are upset by the bruises. Vain or  no, our looks are
very important to us. And having breasts is a very important part of being a
woman.

Would you denie a woman plastic surgeury after a disfiguring crash? Or to a
child born with a  cleft lip? Why should we train surgeons at all in putting
in sutures nicely. As long the wound doesn't get infected and the repair is
strong, taht should be it, right?

Like or not, breasts are an important part of a female's self image.

When a patient undergoes any precedure, like removal of a toe from diabetes,
removal of testical because it is undescended, a scare following open repair
of a broken bone, the differences between before and after, as well as
between one's peers is a source of psychological scaring.

If a woman doesn't feel comfortable because she has small breasts, I see
absolutely nothing wrong with implants to make them bigger.> > > Get with
the program, my dear, fixx'em......and enjoy life.

> Oh I DO enjoy life, nothing's going to stop my enjoyment. Except the
> ultimate full stop. That's death, by the way.

And if a woman is not happy with her body image, I see nothing wrong with
having surgery to improve it.

> > > A great pair of breasts/hooters/boobs/knockers/jugs is a sight
> > > to behold and marvel over...siliconed or not!
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> By the way, I don't have hooter/boob/knocker/jug cancer, I have breast
> cancer. Your slang terms shows you in your true light and diminishes you.

I agree with this.

> > Actually, this about women who make the choice  to get implants to feel
> > better about themselves.
>
> I still say that they don't need implants to feel good about themselves.

I disagree. If breast enhancement or replacement surgery makes one feel
better, I am all for it. If one feels completely comfortable after breast
surgery without replace, then more power to her!

To each his/her own, including the choice of having breast replacement
surgery.

If I had one of my breasts removed for whatever reason (and  breast cancer
does happen to males), then I would want replacement surgery.

> Women are not a pair of breasts, we have far more to offer the world.

Far more. However, if the surgery helps a female feel better and more like
herself, I fail to see why she should not have the surgery.

Jeff
Ilena Rose - 31 Aug 2004 01:27 GMT
>If a woman doesn't feel comfortable because she has small breasts, I see
>absolutely nothing wrong with implants to make them bigger.> > > Get with
>the program, my dear, fixx'em......and enjoy life.

Thank you for showing again, how you ignore the enormous amount of
serious complications and risks involved.

You sound like the typical Quack/Junk Science Flack.

"Get with the program" ... I recall Junk Scientist O'leary using that
term in denying that silicone adjuvant disease exists.

"Get with the program. Silicone adjuvant disease went out along time
ago." Patrick O'leary, President, Inamed, while hiding his identity
and posting as "mplnt"

In fact, silicone adjuvant disease DOES exist

http://www.orgsites.com/fl/adjuvantdisease/
Jeff - 31 Aug 2004 04:07 GMT
> >If a woman doesn't feel comfortable because she has small breasts, I see
> >absolutely nothing wrong with implants to make them bigger.> > > Get with
> >the program, my dear, fixx'em......and enjoy life.

The words "Get with the program, my dear, fixx'em.....and enjoy life" are
the words of another poster.

> Thank you for showing again, how you ignore the enormous amount of
> serious complications and risks involved.

It is  up to a woman and her doctor to determine whether the potential
benefits outweigh the risks.

> You sound like the typical Quack/Junk Science Flack.

Someone who thinks that patients, along with their physicians should weigh
the risks and benefits of procedures.

> "Get with the program" ... I recall Junk Scientist O'leary using that
> term in denying that silicone adjuvant disease exists.

Again, you will note that there are 3 '>'s in front of that text. I never
said that.

> "Get with the program. Silicone adjuvant disease went out along time
> ago." Patrick O'leary, President, Inamed, while hiding his identity
> and posting as "mplnt"

Again, those were not my words.

> In fact, silicone adjuvant disease DOES exist
>
> http://www.orgsites.com/fl/adjuvantdisease/

I never said it doesn't.

Jeff
Coleah - 31 Aug 2004 05:53 GMT
I believe some people have confused who wrote what in this thread.
The flippant, sexest 'offending' text actually came from the Hanson person,
not Jeff.

>> >If a woman doesn't feel comfortable because she has small breasts, I see
>> >absolutely nothing wrong with implants to make them bigger.> > > Get
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>
> Jeff
Amelia Yaussy - 31 Aug 2004 14:27 GMT
Dear implanted and anti-implant friends -
As fascinating as your conversations and flames about silicone and boobs
has been, I must ask you to please stop cross-posting to
alt.support.scleroderma.   It's rude and confusing and has always been
considered poor etiquette on Usenet.
Amie
Coleah - 31 Aug 2004 02:55 GMT
> Note: The comments preceeded by three or four '>'s are not mine. Only
> those
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>
> Jeff
========================

Mary and Jeff both offer great points.

Women are indeed more than their 'breasts'.  Some women's
self-esteem is high enough to live without implants and never
even consider them.  Other women could have implants and
dozens of other cosmetic procedures and never find the identity
of who they really are.

Women deserve a choice also.
Give women an FDA approved product, education opportunities of possible
complications, a mandated informed consent form that spells it out
clearly and let them make their own choice.
Ilena Rose - 31 Aug 2004 16:53 GMT
>Women deserve a choice also.
>Give women an FDA approved product,

Women deserve choices of safe products ...

Regardless of your false claim earllier this week ... silicone gel
implants have been sold for nearly 40 years and have NEVER been
approved for safety by the FDA .. they still are being implanted
supposively if a woman is in a study group .. .but the follow ups are
not well monitored at all.

Saline implants were sold for nearly 40 years by PS's with NO safety
assurance... even now tho they are declared "safe enough" the risks
and resurgeries are staggering

The manufacturers and PS's  put enormous pressure on the FDA ...
thankfully, this Doctor in charge of the Panel had the good sense and
morality to write this:

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/drwhalen.htm

October 31, 2003

Mark B. McClellan, M.D., PhD
Food and Drug Administration
5600 Fishers Lane
Rockville, Maryland 20857

Dear Doctor McClellan,

On October 14 and 15 of this year, I chaired the General and Plastic
Surgery Devices Advisory Panel in Gaithersburg, MD for consideration
of a PMA by Inamed Corporation for silicone gel breast implants. As I
am sure you are aware, the panel voted 9 to 6 that this PMA was
approvable and the matter is now under consideration for action at the
CDRH. I write to express as the Panel Chair my very strong
reservations concerning this vote having thoroughly reviewed the PMA,
heard my scientific colleagues on the panel as well as the
presentations of Inamed and the FDA, and having intently listened to
all of the over 100 individuals who gave public testimony.

At its essence, and as is mandated by federal code, the mission of an
FDA panel and then the FDA itself acting upon the panel recommendation
is really elegantly simple: to judge that the company bringing the PMA
before them has demonstrated with reasonable assurance that the
product under consideration is both safe and effective. Effectiveness
was demonstrated (and is almost self-evident). Long-term safety, the
concern that prompted the removal from the market eleven years ago,
was clearly not demonstrated and to approve this device poses threats
to women that are clearly unknown. In my opinion there is at least
one facet of long-term danger that was established during the panel –
specifically the obscuration of surrounding normal breast tissue to
mammographic detection of breast cancer. The re-operation rates and
other local complications from silicone leaking outside the breast
area have also been established by FDA scientists and are not minor
considerations for a cosmetic device. Moreover, despite the
sophistication of the Institute of Medicine's report, all of what was
considered by them reflected low-quality data in the age of
evidence-based medicine.

It is incumbent upon the FDA to demand that the manufacturer establish
in a rigorous prospective, controlled study that these devices,
despite their established breakage and leakage rates, are safe in the
long term. If that is deemed to be not feasible for the company, then
they should abandon pursuit of approval. However, the company's track
record suggests that they are capable of such research but have not
been sufficiently motivated to complete it.

The plethora of approval conditions that had my head spinning during
panel deliberations is proof that even those who voted the PMA as
approvable are deeply concerned about the lack of long-term safety
data on this product. What will motivate the company to follow these
FDA requirements? Most upsetting was when an FDA official admitted,
at my pressing, that there is little if any remedy for the FDA if
demands to demonstrate long-term safety are not carried out by the
company.

I need not point out to you in your position what the term "FDA
Approved" represents to our citizenry. Once this horse is out of the
barn, indeed for a second time, there will be no recourse.

I have the utmost respect for my colleagues on the panel, one and all.
This most assuredly includes the four well-respected and
knowledgeable plastic surgeons. Certainly, it was essential to
include board certified plastic and reconstructive surgeons when
considering a PMA on breast implants. On the other hand, it serves
the reputation of the FDA in general, and the standing of the panel
process in particular, exceedingly poorly to have had all of the
plastic surgeons vote the PMA as approvable on such a close vote.
Even in academic settings, plastic surgeons may stand to increase
their own income with the use of these devices. To cite a worn
aphorism, it just does not play well in Peoria.

In closing, I must add that the issue of medical care of women who
suffer complications from these implants is extraordinarily troubling.
Costs for removal of these implants and for extra-capsular silicone
can be enormous and are very rarely covered by a health plan. This is
a public health issue of no small import that must be addressed should
the FDA second this misguided panel decision.

I have been honored to be a part of the General and Plastic Surgery
Devices Advisory Panel these past few years, and have been extremely
impressed by the devotion and professionalism of those in your agency.
I regret that the final chapter of my FDA experience was this one and
implore you and Doctors Feigal and Witten to not approve this PMA. I
would be delighted to provide any further information if you desire
it.

Sincerely yours,

Thomas V. Whalen, MD

Professor of Surgery and
Pediatrics

cc: David W. Feigal Jr., MD
Celia Witten, MD, PhD
Senator Jon Corzine
Senator Edward Kennedy
Senator Frank Lautenberg
Representative Roy Blunt
Representative James Greenwood
CP - 29 Aug 2004 05:07 GMT
When did you complete your residency that allows you to call yourself
a pediatrician?  or Kid Doc?

I asked my doctor (a real one) about this the other day.  She said
after the first year of internship, one can call themselves a doctor.
However, to be called a pediatrician, one must complete a residency in
pediatrics.

And you completed your pediatric residency when?

Pam

> > > Platinum has been used for years in both saline and silicone implants
> > > ...
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> > become one of these luscious babes.......
> > ahahahaha.......ahahahanson
Kathi - 28 Aug 2004 17:37 GMT
Original Paper

      Platinum concentration in silicone breast implant material and
capsular tissue by ICP-MS

      S. V. M. Maharaj1

       (1)
          Department of Chemistry, American University, Washington, DC
20016, USA

      Received: 5 January 2004  Revised: 28 May 2004  Accepted: 7 June
2004  Published online: 8 July 2004

      Abstract  Inductively coupled plasma-mass spectrometry (ICP-MS)
was used to determine the concentration of platinum (Pt) in silicone
breast implant gel (range,
      0.26–48.90  g g–1 Pt; n=15), elastomer (range, 3.05–28.78  g g–1
Pt; n=7), double lumen (range, 5.79–125.27  g g–1 Pt; n=7), foam (range,
5.79–8.36  g g–1 Pt;
      n=2), and capsular tissue (range, 0.003–0.272  g g–1 Pt; n=15).
The results show that very high levels of Pt are present in the encasing
elastomer, double lumen, and
      foam envelope materials. Silicone breast implants can be a source
of significant Pt exposure for individuals with these implants.

      Keywords  Platinum - Breast implants - Silicone -
Polydimethylsiloxane - PDMS - ICP-MS

          S. V. M. Maharaj
          Email: Maharaj@american.edu

      The references of this article are secured to subscribers.

     For assistance inside the Americas: springerlink@springer-ny.com ,
For assistance outside the Americas: springerlink@springer.de

>>>Can you please give us the journal link for this? I am sure a study this
>>>important has been published.
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>
> Mary
Ilena Rose - 28 Aug 2004 19:02 GMT
Thanks so much Kathi ... first I've seen this.
Do you happen to have the link?

I want to add it to my webpage.

Original Paper

      Platinum concentration in silicone breast implant material and
capsular tissue by ICP-MS

      S. V. M. Maharaj1

       (1)
          Department of Chemistry, American University, Washington,
DC
20016, USA

      Received: 5 January 2004  Revised: 28 May 2004  Accepted: 7
June
2004  Published online: 8 July 2004

      Abstract  Inductively coupled plasma-mass spectrometry (ICP-MS)
was used to determine the concentration of platinum (Pt) in silicone
breast implant gel (range,
      0.26–48.90  g g–1 Pt; n=15), elastomer (range, 3.05–28.78  g
g–1
Pt; n=7), double lumen (range, 5.79–125.27  g g–1 Pt; n=7), foam
(range,
5.79–8.36  g g–1 Pt;
      n=2), and capsular tissue (range, 0.003–0.272  g g–1 Pt; n=15).
The results show that very high levels of Pt are present in the
encasing
elastomer, double lumen, and
      foam envelope materials. Silicone breast implants can be a
source
of significant Pt exposure for individuals with these implants.

      Keywords  Platinum - Breast implants - Silicone -
Polydimethylsiloxane - PDMS - ICP-MS

          S. V. M. Maharaj
          Email: Maharaj@american.edu

      The references of this article are secured to subscribers.
Ilena Rose - 28 Aug 2004 20:18 GMT
LOL ... just realized this is the same as the Medline study ...

>Thanks so much Kathi ... first I've seen this.
>Do you happen to have the link?
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>
>       The references of this article are secured to subscribers.
 
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