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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Breast Cancer / July 2004

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PuterTroubles - 28 Jul 2004 07:48 GMT
I was sent here by another group. I just copied and pasted what I
posted to them, to save some time with typing..

Hi, I'm not sure if this is where I should be or not, but I will send
this intro anyway. My mother has been fighting breast cancer for about
3 years now. She has been in remission twice, but alas it has returned
yet again. She has done the chemo and radiation, in fact she has maxed
out radition and can no longer have it. She had a mastectomy about a
year ago. Now the cancer is returning in her scar tissue. This time
they cannot even do a biopsy without making a hole to big to close,
and they have also found a suspicious spot on her lung. My mother is
only 47 years old and the thought of losing her is almost to much to
bear. We haven't always been close, and I wouldn't really call us
close now, but we are working on our relationship. Is there anyone
here that has beaten this disease after this many tries? What else can
she do besides chemo and radiation? Any info would be very helpful.
Thanks.

Ginny
Alex - 28 Jul 2004 14:09 GMT
With breast cancer you never go into remission, it is not a term they
use since breast cancer can come back at any time.

Can you tell us more about her cancer and intial and follow up
treatment?
Did she have a lumpectomy follow by mastectomy?
What kind of chemo has she had?
It is tumor er/pr Positive? What about her HER/2 Status?

In general, may women can live with stage IV disease ( that is what
she would have if the lungs are involved). The treatment would be more
chemo probably a different type. Also is she being treated at an
academic medical center ? If not a second opinion maybe need. Let us
know more details and maybe we can guide you along this. Alex
PuterTroubles - 28 Jul 2004 23:34 GMT
>With breast cancer you never go into remission, it is not a term they
>use since breast cancer can come back at any time.
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>academic medical center ? If not a second opinion maybe need. Let us
>know more details and maybe we can guide you along this. Alex

Alex,

I'll answer as many of these questions as I can, but I don't know the
answers to all of them. My mother and I have just started rebuilding
our relationship after quite a few years away from each other. The
first time she was diagnosed with breast cancer they did a lumpectomy
and removed the lump. They treated her with chemo and radiation,
though I'm not sure what kind as she was in Arizona and I was in
Michigan at the time. She moved back to Michigan shortly after
finishing her treatments.Within a year another lump appeared. The dr.
did a biopsy and cofirmed cancer again. She was told she could not
have another lumpectomy, but needed a mastectomy instead. So she had
the surgery to remove her left breast, and again had chemo and
radiation, and again I'm not sure what kind as this is where we just
started talking again. Upon removing her breast within just a few
short months another lump was discovered, this time in the scar
tissue. The dr. removed it and again it was positive for cancer. She
once again did radiation and chemo, and was told that this would be
the last time radiation could be used because she was *maxed out* for
her lifetime. I didn't know you could max out any kind of treatment,
but according to my mother that is what she was told. They also
removed her ovaries saying that the cancer was attached to her
estrogen. A few weeks ago she again complained about a lump in her
scar tissue. The dr looked at it and said it was probably cancer again
but he says he cannot remove it without leaving a hole to large to
close. Her heart has been damaged by the chemo, and they suspect that
it was also hit with radiation though they say they won't know that
until she is dead and an autopsy is done. Once the second lump was
found on her scar they did more scans and that is when the mysterious
spot on her lung was found. She has more tests this week and next,
including a cat scan tp try to determine if the spot on her lung is
cancer too. I don't know what a HER/2 is, but I can ask her about it.
She is being treated at a very good hospital here. It's a special
cancer center, but I really want to try to get her to go to Ann Arbor,
it's the best medical university around here. She really likes her
dr.'s though so I doubt she'll go anywhere else. I think that is all
the info I have for now, but I will ask your ?'s to her too and see if
maybe I can give you more info. Thank you all for your help so far.

Ginny
Guess Who - 29 Jul 2004 00:40 GMT
Well, The good news it sounds like she had several local recurrences which
is great news opposed to having new cancers or mets. The lung should be
worked up, and hopefully it is nothing.  As far as the surgeon being unable
to remove the new lump, I respect a doctor who know that s/he can't do
something but your mother is a young woman, I would try to get her to Ann
Harbor where a more skilled surgeon can attempt the surgery. If she is Her/2
positive there is a drug which can treat the cancer successfully...but it
also damages the heart.
She may do very well if all the cancers are local! Glad to hear you are
reconnected with your mother. Alex
Kaye301 - 29 Jul 2004 07:16 GMT
Alex wrote: <<  If she is Her/2
positive there is a drug which can treat the cancer successfully...but it
also damages the heart. >>

Although Herceptin does have increased propensity to cause cardiac related
difficulties in a small percentage who take it, it does not necessarily damage
the heart.  Even if one did develop cardiac-related difficulties with
Herceptin, there are antidotes which can reverse the problem and lessen or
eliminate the problem.
bartalo@webtv.net - 29 Jul 2004 15:18 GMT
>If she is Her/2 positive there is a drug
> which can treat the cancer
> successfully...but it also damages the
> heart.

>Alex

Alex...would you please post which drug you are referring to?  I am
post-menopausal Her2+ and ER+  was just switched from Tamoxifen to
Arimidex
by my new oncologist and he made no mention of any possible heart damage
with these drugs when going over the different side-effects with them.
If it can be a side effect of Arimidex then I need to discuss other
options with him.  Thanks!

Bea
Tim Jackson - 29 Jul 2004 19:26 GMT
> >If she is Her/2 positive there is a drug
> > which can treat the cancer
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>
> Bea

Alex was referring to Herceptin.

You don't -have- to be HER+ to have Tamoxifen or Arimidex, you just need to
be ER+, and for the Arimidex, also post menopausal.

These hormone therapy drugs are not known to cause any heart damage, and
serious side effects from them are rare.

Tim Jackson
Kaye301 - 28 Jul 2004 15:37 GMT
Ginny, so sorry to hear about your mom.   Cancer sucks.  That aside there are
different complementary treatments that work for some.  I  don't know if there
is anything that can cure cancer but it may help keep it under control.  What
works for one may not work for another, and what works to destroy some
malignant cells may not work for all of them.  That is the nature of cancer.
However, some feel that it can be controlled like a chronic disease.
Do you know what treatments your mom has had?  Was the cancer ER+?  Her2+?
There are some promising studies which show that the cox 2 inhibitor --
Celebrex -- has anti-tumor activity if taken at the maximum safe dose level of
800 mg/day.  If your mom has bone metastases (or not), the antibiotics
Doxycycline or Tetracycline (from same family) may help prevent them, keep them
under control, and/or even help with healing.
There are other complimentary alternatives that show promise.  These include
cesium but one has to be careful of that because of possible cardiac risks.
Then there is Ip6 which some have reported has given them good results.  There
is the supplement cumerin or tumeric--a spice--which comes in capsule form and
has shown anti-tumor activity.  
Another relatively safe alternative that shows good promise is mega doses of
certain vegetables through juicing.  This would include cruciferous vegetables
such as cabbage, cauliflower, and particularly broccoli sprouts as well as
others that I can't recall off top of my head.  Some take juice capsules --
"Juice Plus."  I would think the real stuff would be better.  Juicing can be
done on your own by purchasing a juicer.  We recently got a new, wonder
machine--that works very well and is very easy to clean (the most important
part).  Now, I can't say that the vegetables that I juice taste the best, but
one could add various seasonings--but I am more concerned about potential
benefit than taste.  Besides even if some don't taste that great, it isn't
physically painful to drink then.
Then there is also green tea which can help.  Not only drinking it but I read
that it could be mixed with an antibiotic as well as Ibuprofin (capsules) and
aloe vera gel to make a topical ointment which may be effective against some
skin  malignancies.  I don't really know if it works but I did read it.
Then there is also a topical treatment one can get from Germany under a
compassionate use program for skin metastases to help them heal--it is called
Miltex.  In addition  I recently read that hyperbaric medicine can facilitate
healing of sores that are difficult to heal.  
PuterTroubles - 28 Jul 2004 23:39 GMT
>Ginny, so sorry to hear about your mom.   Cancer sucks.  That aside there are
>different complementary treatments that work for some.  I  don't know if there
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>Miltex.  In addition  I recently read that hyperbaric medicine can facilitate
>healing of sores that are difficult to heal.  
Kaye,

Thank you for this info. I will print it off and show her, maybe she
has or can try some of these. Thanks for the help.

Ginny
Kaye301 - 28 Jul 2004 15:39 GMT
Here is one link to treatment of hard to  heal areas from cancer using
hyperbaric medicine:
http://www.vmmc.org/dbArticles/article151351.asp
Alex - 29 Jul 2004 19:23 GMT
Heart problems with Herceptin: In a small number of women, Herceptin
alone or in combination with chemotherapy can lead to serious heart
problems including ventricular dysfunction and congestive heart
failure. This life-threatening side effect is more common among
patients who receive Herceptin in combination with the AC chemotherapy
regimen (chemotherapy consisting of an anthracycline, such as
Adriamycin or Ellence, and cyclophosphamide). However, Herceptin is
not approved for use with this chemotherapy drug combination outside
of the clinical trial setting. Women considering Herceptin should have
their heart function evaluated by a physician before beginning
treatment. Once on Herceptin, women should be closely monitored for
any heart problems that may occur.

I don't know what Kaye is refering to an antidote to Herceptin, but
the potential  heart damage caused by herceptin is cogestive heart
failure which only a few short years ago was hard to treat and now can
be effectively treated by medications.

Also there is a new ( in clinical trials) second generation of
herceptin
http://www.lbbc.org/trans_tele20040622.html

From the web page"Then to finish up, I myself presented data on a
completely new way of treating breast cancer. Trastuzumab is an
antibody and it binds to the HER-2 protein. Lapatinib is a new drug.
It is a pill, so unlike the trastuzumab, which many of the audience
might be familiar with, which is given through the vein or as an IV
medication, this is actually a pill with little to no toxicity.
There's no hair loss. There's no nausea. About five percent of
patients will get diarrhea with this medicine.

 

Unlike trastuzumab the way this drug works is it's almost like a
direct bomb to the HER-2 and   the EGFR receptor. So unlike
trastuzumab, which only targets the HER-2 protein, this drug actually
targets not only HER-2, but another important protein found in breast
cancer, which is EGFR. Many of you might be familiar with this protein
because it's the target for a drug called Iressa, which was recently
approved in lung cancer.

 

The study that I presented was in patients who had already received
trastuzumab and their tumors had continued to grow on trastuzumab. So
we used this new way of targeting the HER-2 protein in addition to
targeting the EGFR protein. What we found is that at eight weeks or
two months of treatment close to half of the patients had cancers that
had either stopped growing or had responded to the treatment,
remembering that these were patients who had received a number of
chemotherapies prior to going onto the study, and treatment with at
least eight weeks of trastuzumab study.

 

When we looked at the data a little bit better at four months of
treatment close to one third of the patients cancers had not grown or
they had shrunk in size. This is certainly one of the highest response
rates we've ever seen in metastatic breast cancer, especially HER-2
positive breast cancer. So there are currently a number of trials
ongoing with this new treatment called lapatinib, and I think a lot of
people were excited about this drug. Certainly the presentation and
the efficacy that we saw with the drug in metastatic "
Kaye301 - 30 Jul 2004 03:38 GMT
Alex wrote: << I don't know what Kaye is refering to an antidote to Herceptin,
but
the potential  heart damage caused by herceptin is cogestive heart
failure which only a few short years ago was hard to treat and now can
be effectively treated by medications.

That was from memory of what my  onc told me and what I had read--that there
were medications that  could be given along with the Herceptin if one were to
start showing signs of congestive  heart failure while on it and that
generally, it was reversible.  I don't know that much about it but that was
what at least 2 oncologists told me.  I had been worried about that since I was
born with a congenital heart murmer.  I had no problems with it (Herceptin) at
least as far as I know, and I was on it for one year--weekly.
At the time I had it they were no longer giving it with AC because of the
increased cardiotoxic risk when given together.
Guess Who - 30 Jul 2004 22:24 GMT
No cardiac symptoms by now, I think you are clear. I don't think the cardiac
effects of herceptin are severe as initially thought.

> Alex wrote: << I don't know what Kaye is refering to an antidote to Herceptin,
> but
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> At the time I had it they were no longer giving it with AC because of the
> increased cardiotoxic risk when given together.
 
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