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Mango  (odd title but read it anyway)

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Tim Jackson - 09 Jul 2004 17:59 GMT
BBC Radio 4's Afternoon Play today "Mango" was about the dancer Anne
Kilcoyne who produced a performance based on her breast cancer.  The
performance was based on a one-breast striptease, at the age of 62.

Anne, who died last week, reads the central narrative herself.

I found it quite moving.

If you have RealPlayer (e.g. the free download) and a broadband connection
you can listen to it anytime in the next seven days at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/ram/afternoonplay_fri.ram
(ignore the first few seconds trailing another program, these things are
recorded automatically.)

Tim Jackson
Mary Fisher - 09 Jul 2004 21:42 GMT
> BBC Radio 4's Afternoon Play today "Mango" was about the dancer Anne
> Kilcoyne who produced a performance based on her breast cancer.  The
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>
> I found it quite moving.

I wondered if anyone here heard it.

I found it irritatingly slow, contrived and pretentious and not at all
moving, I was very disappointed because it seemed to have no relevance to me
or anyone here after the first few minutes.

But I'm pleased that it served someone else differently :-)

Mary

> Tim Jackson
Tim Jackson - 09 Jul 2004 22:09 GMT
> > BBC Radio 4's Afternoon Play today "Mango" was about the dancer Anne
> > Kilcoyne who produced a performance based on her breast cancer.  The
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>
> But I'm pleased that it served someone else differently :-)

Fair enough, I was driving, so the slowness didn't bother me, I wasn't
paying a lot of attention at first.  It might have more relevance to males,
as what it mainly seemed to address (IMHO) was the male reaction to
mastectomy.

Tim
Mary Fisher - 09 Jul 2004 23:02 GMT
> > > BBC Radio 4's Afternoon Play today "Mango" was about the dancer Anne
> > > Kilcoyne who produced a performance based on her breast cancer.  The
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> as what it mainly seemed to address (IMHO) was the male reaction to
> mastectomy.

I think you have a point there - the male reaction comment. But you know my
opinion of mastectomy anyway, perhaps I was being too harsh, I know that
many women are very upset about it.

When it began I was interested because of the description of the woman with
the joyful picture of her new image. Then, when the narrator was so
presumptuous about the other photograph (of a woman's torso showing her
mastectomy scar) I was cross - I felt that she shouldn't have made such an
assessment of how that woman felt when she couldn't see her face. Or even if
she had been able to ... I thought about those lovely (to me) pictures we've
talked about recently on this group and my asking if we could do our own
gallery. Just because a woman isn't smiling or laughing doesn't mean that
she's miserable about her condition. She could be calm, she could be more
accepting than the subject of the play, come to think of it ... Value
judgements can do a disservice to others.

I'm really sorry that I couldn't enjoy the play, I wanted to ...

Mary

> Tim
Tim Jackson - 09 Jul 2004 23:50 GMT
> > > > BBC Radio 4's Afternoon Play today "Mango" was about the dancer Anne
> > > > Kilcoyne who produced a performance based on her breast cancer.  The
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> accepting than the subject of the play, come to think of it ... Value
> judgements can do a disservice to others.

That's the way with art I suppose: the way the picture makes the viewer feel
may have nothing to do with how the model felt.  Else all the guys who buy
Playboy would feel bored, cold and irritable.  I think that is particularly
true when you can't see the face.  Medical photos do seem rather depressing
to me.

I think she was more criticising the picture as art than the woman herself -
and essentially saying "I can do better than that", which prompted to
produce a work in her own artform.

Tim
Mary Fisher - 09 Jul 2004 23:58 GMT
> > > > > BBC Radio 4's Afternoon Play today "Mango" was about the dancer Anne
> > > > > Kilcoyne who produced a performance based on her breast cancer.  The
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> That's the way with art I suppose: the way the picture makes the viewer feel
> may have nothing to do with how the model felt.

But in that case the way the model felt was irrelevant to the image ...

> Else all the guys who buy
> Playboy would feel bored, cold and irritable.

I bow to your greater experience :-)

> I think that is particularly
> true when you can't see the face.  Medical photos do seem rather depressing
> to me.

They're objective, emotions have no place in them.

> I think she was more criticising the picture as art than the woman herself -
> and essentially saying "I can do better than that", which prompted to
> produce a work in her own artform.

That's one interpretation which didn't come across to me - perhaps I was
distracted. But it wasn't supposed to be art ... and I suspect that the
pictures on that website we saw recently have a bigger audience than her
play ... which wasn't 100% real, more an interpretation of her experience.

Which is what all art is :-)

And what medical pictures aren't.

I'm not being rude but I'm off to bed, so tired ... still not back to Real
Life after two weeks in Wales.

Hugs,

Mary

> Tim
Mary Fisher - 16 Jul 2004 16:53 GMT
> BBC Radio 4's Afternoon Play today "Mango" was about the dancer Anne
> Kilcoyne who produced a performance based on her breast cancer.  The
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>
> I found it quite moving.

It had very good responses from subscribers to Feedback.

Mary
 
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