In the "Feeling tired . . ." thread, there's been some drift into
negative experiences with in-person support groups. I'm wondering
whether that's the common feeling, or mainly a "me, too" supportive
reaction to the initial point from those who happen to have similar
experience.
In part for the benefit of those more recently diagnosed who may've
wondered about trying an in-person support group, I thought I'd try
starting a thread on the subject. Some possible questions:
- Have you attended an in-person breast cancer support group?
- Do you continue to attend?
- If you've tried it & didn't like it, what was it that made you decide
not to go back?
- If you continue to attend, what do you find good & helpful about that
group, and how does it compare with online support here? What scenarios
would you turn here for, vs. your in-person group?
- What ground rules or practices do you think make an in-person group
effective or ineffective?
Here's me:
I started going to an in-person group shortly after diagnosis/surgery.
Such things aren't natural to me (I'm not "groupish" and tend to feel
awkward socially), but I had read that some reseach showed better
outcomes for those in support groups. While other research showed no
benefit, there are certainly no bothersome health-type side effects of
group participation, so I decided to go & play the odds.
The first time, I felt very uncomfortable, and didn't want to go back.
I felt like I didn't have anything in common with the other women, most
of whom were married, had children, had outlooks/interests *very*
different from me.
But I decided to give it another try. The second visit felt much
better. Now I go routinely, and feel good about it.
I like having somewhere I can go where I can talk about BC experiences
as if they were a commonplace, laugh about funny things that make
non-BC-survivors uncomfortable rather than amused (e.g., "incidents"
involving prostheses), and get/offer in person support. It's also
helpful for getting info about local resources (medical services,
support programs, etc.).
I still feel a little sad inside (as I do here) when others make fond
jokes or talk about good support from their husbands, but I don't let
that show. (There are some other single women there, but I don't think
there are other widows, and .)
This group is good for quick answers & reactions, but it's harder to
form relationships and keep everyone's history clear online, than it is
in an in-person group. The group is also a good focal point for
organizing teams for Race for the Cure or Making Strides Against Breast
Cancer, or similar fund-raisers. But the in-person group only meets
monthly.
What helps the group work is having clear, enforced ground rules (what's
said here stays here, no interrupting, everyone gets a chance to talk,
don't mention doctors by name, etc.), plus a good facilitator.
The particular group I attend also has informational programs every
other month, in addition to just discussion roundtable. These cover
things like BC-focused exercise programs, advances in treatment,
reconstruction options, and more. That keeps the group useful for those
who've been out of treatment longer.
My breast cancer survivors' rowing team also functions in part as a
support group, and is really ideal in that respect. It brings survivors
together in an environment where sharing and support is available, but
isn't the total focus of the group.
Overall, I'd recommend the in-person support group as a useful thing, if
you have a decent group locally . . . and would suggest giving it more
than one chance, unless you're *deeply* turned off.
Ann T.
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Kaye301 - 09 Jul 2004 15:29 GMT
Ann, that does sound like a very positive experience. As I mentioned the group
I had basically had no structure. It was a revolving group--about 12 to 16
people (or more?). The facilitatot, an MSW, was very nice. After the first
session I felt depressed--learning that what was going on with me was so much
more advanced than anyone else. I did go back a second time several weeks
later. I left with feelings that the time that took up could be spent much
better doing something else--more proactive. My purpose for attending was more
for networking--finding out about other resources--but didn't gain anything in
that arena. Looking back the other women had come from very different 'places'
both in background, culture, and prognosis. This dissonance was way more than
I expected. I left with the feeling that I should be leading the group rather
than being a participant.
bartalo@webtv.net - 09 Jul 2004 16:11 GMT
I tried a local support group sponsored by the hospital for a few
sessions but did not feel it was right for my needs. It could not hold
a candle to the help I get from you folks on this website. I had too
many questions I needed answers to and I was not able to get much help
from the members of that group. They seemed more eager to keep on a
cheerful vein and my concerns were not always very cheerful to discuss.
When I have questions, it is such a great help to me to know I can post
it here and you wonderful folks will pop in with answers or links to
where I can find my answers. And you don't get mad at us when we sprout
our depressing thoughts on those "bad" days when this disease really
scares us.
This does not mean that I think someone else will not get what they need
from such personal support groups but it just did not suit my needs. I
am also a very out-spoken person and found it very difficult to keep up
the "let's pretend bc isn't such a horrible disease" profile. It is a
damnable disease and I have found since I was diagnosed that several
other women on my own block have lost their breasts to it! If I can
find a group which would march around with signs saying the truth about
bc then I may be interested to join.
Thanks again folks for all your help when I have needed it.
Bea
Kaye301 - 09 Jul 2004 17:00 GMT
Bea wrote: << It could not hold
a candle to the help I get from you folks on this website. I had too
many questions I needed answers to and I was not able to get much help
from the members of that group. >>
Yes--exactly how I feel. I do think, though, that each of us needs different
kinds of support. Direct contact for some may be very helpful. I prefer the
privacy I get here--and the fact that I can ask whatever I feel I need to and
share things that I might not otherwise do in person.
I first went to the group after I completed AC. During the time between my dx
and that time, I had spent alot of time online learning all I could about b.c.
I was also a bit surprised and mildly alarmed to know that the majority of
women in the group knew very little about their b.c. other than the type it
was, the stage, and number of nodes. From what I recall they knew very little
of different treatment options or that there were even different types of
breast cancer--at least as many as there are.
The analogy that comes to mind is like having gone through highest level math
classes (advanced calculus) in high school and then taking a beginning level
basic math class. Or if one were to compare it from a more linguistic
sense---after taking 3rd or 4th year of a foreign language, going back to the
2nd half of the first year of that same language.
mosherm@nsnet.pns.ca - 09 Jul 2004 16:13 GMT
>- Have you attended an in-person breast cancer support group?
We have a very good local group, lead by a woman who is very well
known in the community ( a mover and shaker) who is a ten year
survivor. After my surgery I attended meetings for about a year, and
then I didn't want to think about cancer in any way and stopped going.
Lately I've been attending again, and also went to the Run for the
Cure as a survivor.
>- If you continue to attend, what do you find good & helpful about that
>group, and how does it compare with online support here?
Like you, I'm not very social, and I need to see information in print
to process it. I think I attend the meetings mostly to support a
couple of friends who gather their strength from discussion and group
support.
>- What ground rules or practices do you think make an in-person group
>effective or ineffective?
We have the same ground rules you have: "What goes on here stays
here", "people can stay or leave at any time", "no interuppting while
someone else has the floor". Works very well.
The leader works very hard to find interesting speakers. The last
three I remember were a local oncologist to discuss the latest on
arimidex/tamoxifen, a couple of women from the nearest medical school
who are doing a study on lymphodema, and an intuitive healer.
After the open session of the meetings (one hour) there is another
hour of round table personal sharing and chit chat.
I sometimes feel guilty that my cancer wasn't as bad as other people's
in the group, and that I didn't have problems with chemo or radiation,
so I am usually the quietest person in the room. But as I am an
information junkie I occasionally can bring up new research
information or long lists of things that help with nausea, much of
which I learn here.
Marilyn
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Mar?a - 13 Jul 2004 20:21 GMT
> In the "Feeling tired . . ." thread, there's been some drift into
> negative experiences with in-person support groups. I'm wondering
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> - What ground rules or practices do you think make an in-person group
> effective or ineffective?
I attended a local one (UK) this evening but left early.
I don't know whether I will try again.
What made me leave early was:
a) All the women seemed much older than me (I'm 40), and,
b) The art therapist who was going to make us draw a garden (I thought it wd
be a talk about the role of art therapy). My late father was an
academically trained artist and I always remember him saying, "Why can just
anyone call themselves an artist? They wdn't let just anyone call
themselves a doctor." So I found the therapist in the clown suit very
offputting.
I may try again.
I like the online support because it is not so personal, you can dip in and
dip out, you don't have to worry about being akward, if you're not in a good
mood you don't have to slip on a glad face to make people comfortable.
Mar?a