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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Asthma / January 2005OT - Too Bad
Too bad a message group that has so much to offer is overrun by so much negativity and aggression. *None* of us need that. maybe see ya around... <though probably not> take care Polly ===== don't spook ma' groove... > Too bad a message group that has so much to offer is overrun by so much > negativity and aggression. *None* of us need that. So contribute something positive. > maybe see ya around... <though probably not> Is this supposed to hurt? > take care > Polly > ===== > don't spook ma' groove... >>maybe see ya around... <though probably not> > > Is this supposed to hurt? Absolutely not... Polly > >>maybe see ya around... <though probably not> > > > > Is this supposed to hurt? > > Absolutely not... Good. Now then, Usenet is not for sissies. If you want to have a good discussion, contribute. Dear Polly, I originally posted a few items on this site with no intent to stay, after leaving, I received a really lovely email from a beautiful little old lady who had been an avid admirer of one of your country singers icons which one of these morons had spoken of in ridicule in a later post. The moral of this is that these people are bullies which I have always had a tendency to oppose. When you consider the negativity and actual little positive use that they present you will realise that leaving is quitting, which is of course a fundamental symptom involved with asthmatic situations. If you stand back you will immediately understand why progress in this area is pathetically low. These people and their way of thinking is part of the problem, not part of the solution. You are part of the solution simply because of your open mindedness. Do not go. Cheers, Merlin. > Too bad a message group that has so much to offer is overrun by so much > negativity and aggression. *None* of us need that. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ===== > don't spook ma' groove... > When you consider the negativity and actual little positive use that > they present you will realise that leaving is quitting, which is of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > solution simply because of your open mindedness. Do not go. > Cheers, Merlin. Thank you... I will most likely continue to lurk but hesitate to contribute as I do not feel like making myself a target by speaking my mind. I come from the old days of bbs flame wars and my first instinct is to toast someone (usually in defense of others) but I'm supposed to be older and wiser these days! (BG) And I do try to keep ngs/etc on my laptop not in my life, if ya get my drift! I still have those old reactions to others getting slammed for (IMO) no reason. Anyway... I have gained a few bits of info around here that have already helped in small ways and thats good... so I'll be around. And trying my damndest to not respond in some threads... or at least I'll do my best! take care Polly ===== saving my energy for the real stuff!!! > Thank you... I will most likely continue to lurk but hesitate to > contribute as I do not feel like making myself a target by speaking my [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > helped in small ways and thats good... so I'll be around. And trying my > damndest to not respond in some threads... or at least I'll do my best! Now you admit you have been in flame wars. How did you manage that? You don't see it as coming with the territory? And I could suggest that anyone whose posts are as long as Merlins (which accounts for why I don't bother to read them) in fact has the laptop problem to which you refer. You have time to read all that?????? I personally never bother. ARoberts has an extensive knowledge of this particular person's past. Why don't you ask him? Joy > > Thank you... I will most likely continue to lurk but hesitate to > > contribute as I do not feel like making myself a target by speaking my [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Now you admit you have been in flame wars. How did you manage that? And Joy goes for the "discredit the new poster anyway you can" tactic ... heh Lordy! What this list has degenerated into. I don't post regularly, but I've been here a long time. If it isn't the B* wackos, it's other wackos. When the HECK is Colin getting back? He had a better BS barometer than anyone else. Does anyone have any useful information to post anymore? Hey Joy, I talked to my doc about the antibiotic thing......he's afraid that if I took them regularly, I would become resistant to them and if I got some kind of infection the antibiotics wouldn't work. How does your doc handle this aspect of the treatment? Life is uncertain - eat dessert first. Nancy 8=: ) > Hey Joy, I talked to my doc about the antibiotic thing......he's afraid that if > I took them regularly, I would become resistant to them and if I got some kind [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Life is uncertain - eat dessert first. > Nancy Hey NANCY, No sure answers yet. I took Zithromax for several months, one every three days for another medical condition (guttate psoriasis which is caused by strep apparently), and that is how I got the antibiotics. I think Dr Hahn has the right idea though after comparing my history to others who have had results. Basically, they (Hahn's patients) take a megadose once a week. And if it is going to work, you will know after 2 months. I have NO suggestions on how to convince your doc -I asked 5 of them before I got so sick they had to give me antibiotics. Since there is no valid test, you really have no option but to take matters into your own hands at this point. The medical community is working hard on a test though because so many of us slip into COPD (and have no lives in the meantime), which is MORE fatal than asthma (which we all know to be a bitch to live with). So your doc is right and your doc is perhaps keeping you from getting better, and there isn't any way that I know to tell the difference. Most of the docs working on this treatment say that if you are adult onset and if you acquired asthma (as I did) after a respiratory event like pneumonia, you should work harder for the antibiotics, although I know teenagers have been cured with antibiotics. My own observation is that if you are adult onset, you should be seeking treatment by antibiotics by any means. I know Dr Hahn told Jim that after 10 years it seems not to help, and I was treated at 10 years. So I still have symptoms in the summer. But I am sooooo improved. I actually never take steroids anylonger. I will admit that I have to resort to albuterol and singulair. So, some are cured and some are better, but for me, I continue to appreciate the improvement and look at Mold allergy to explain the other causes of my asthma. Joy >Hey NANCY, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Joy I haven't been paying enough attention I think - I didn't realize that it was adult onset asthma that really required the antibiotics, I thought it was asthma in general. I've had it since I was two, so I guess I don't qualify. My doc never ceases to surprise me, LOL. By the way, wtg in keeping the crazies at bay. You're doing a great job - Colin would be proud. Life is uncertain - eat dessert first. Nancy 8=: ) > I haven't been paying enough attention I think - I didn't realize that it was > adult onset asthma that really required the antibiotics Adult-onset asthma REQUIRES antibiotics only in the minds of a few zealots. HTH, jackass. > >Hey NANCY, > > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Nancy > 8=: ) > I haven't been paying enough attention I think - I didn't realize that it was > adult onset asthma that really required the antibiotics, I thought it was > asthma in general. I've had it since I was two, so I guess I don't qualify. My > doc never ceases to surprise me, LOL. By the way, wtg in keeping the crazies at > bay. You're doing a great job - Colin would be proud. I would like to give up this job! Colin can have it! It is still possible that you have the infection, just not as likely. Since there is no test you really don't know how far to go pushing for antibiotics.........you get my drift. It is allot of effort that you may be expending for nothing. I think it may still be worth a shot if in fact you have no life. Other than that, we all just wait. Joy > Lordy! > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Nancy > 8=: ) Well, since nobody knows who you are responding to, I guess it's Joy. Meanwhile, do you know the difference between a "list" and a "newsgroup?" Hmmm? >> Lordy! >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Meanwhile, do you know the difference between a "list" and a > "newsgroup?" Hmmm? Still problems with reading comprehension, eh? "Hey Joy" was a pretty clear salutation. Regarding your query about her nomenclature, that OCD has you working overtime. What a control freak. >Well, since nobody knows who you are responding to, I guess it's Joy. >Meanwhile, do you know the difference between a "list" and a >"newsgroup?" Hmmm? I was responding to the collective crap that has been going on in this newsgroup for the past few months. You seem to be the person throwing the most crap around. Do you have a specific agenda or are you one of those people who just love pissing other people off? I suspect the latter. Yes I do know the difference between a list and a newsgroup. Pardon me for offending your delicate sensibilities by using the incorrect word. Heaven forbid that should happen again. Life is uncertain - eat dessert first. Nancy 8=: ) > >Well, since nobody knows who you are responding to, I guess it's Joy. > >Meanwhile, do you know the difference between a "list" and a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > newsgroup for the past few months. You seem to be the person throwing the most > crap around. Ahahahaha! Good one. Glad you at least learned to include a bit of the post to which you are referring. > Lordy! > > When the HECK is Colin getting back? He had a better BS > barometer than anyone > else. Riiiiiiiight. That's why he always personally attacked me and Joy and Jim Quinlan while the sock puppets stood watching. > Hey Joy, I talked to my doc about the antibiotic > thing......he's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > work. How does your doc handle this aspect of the > treatment? I think that was a cop out saying that he isn't comfortable with the concept. If you had prostate problems (yeah, I know - unlikely) or chronic sinusitis he would gladly put you on 4-6 weeks of antibiotics. If you had acne he would give them to you indefinately. I'm not saying he is wrong to not give them (I don't pretend to know). There are real risks to taking antibiotics and there must be some prospect of benefit for it to be a good idea. "Resistance" is more of a public health issue (and one better directed at farmers who use 70% of the antibiotics in the US) than a problem for the individual unless the person has been on a lot of different antibiotics in the recent past. You would never fail to treat an active infection for fear of resistance. He obviosuly just doesn't believe you are infected (again - I'm not commenting on whether that is correct or not). My point is that if he does not think there is a prospect for benefit, either because he doesn't believe in the theory in general or he doesn't think you fit, it would be nice if he showed a spine and just said so rather than making up lame excuses.  Signature00doc > Dear Polly, I originally posted a few items on this site with no intent > to stay, after leaving, I received a really lovely email from a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The moral of this is that these people are bullies which I have always > had a tendency to oppose. This is true. They are bullies. > When you consider the negativity and actual little positive use that > they present you will realise that leaving is quitting, which is of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > solution simply because of your open mindedness. Do not go. > Cheers, Merlin. Much more persuasive, Merlin. What I would love to see is a good discussion here on lots of helpful topics, not Northshore, Roberts and Joy having their usual little tea party and blasting anyone else who posts. Moodswing Mary *contributes* by dribbling: >Much more persuasive, Merlin. What I would love to see is a good discussion here on lots of helpful topics, not Northshore, Roberts and Joy having their usual little tea party and blasting anyone else who posts." Anyone reading this can go back and see that new people who post are politely responded to - unless - as in your case - they start popping off at the mouth, name calling and telling everyone else what to do. You've contributed nothing here. You accuse others of being netcops when all you've done is pounce on those who top post or post using html. You've tried to bully others with name calling. Grow up and seek some help. I can't recall ever having seen so many mood swings and so much cyber road rage from one person before. Are you Sheldons twin? I was waiting for things to calm down with you because I know with your adult onset asthma you could get some help here. I give up. Now I know why others have killfiled you. Asthma is the least of YOUR problems! > Moodswing Mary *contributes* by dribbling: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > know why others have killfiled you. Asthma is the least of YOUR > problems! What is really interesting is the response of Polly. Mary has posted several slams and she doesn't mind? Can you spell inside job? When they decided Merlin was OK, ahhhh that convinced me. Even Richard calls him a drunk and a troll. Joy > What is really interesting is the response of Polly. Mary has posted several > slams and she doesn't mind? Can you spell inside job? I promised myself I wasn't going to get drawn into this insipid *BS* but .. what the hell! Do you want to know why I let Mary's posts go? (don't bother answering that, because I really don't care) By the time I finished reading your bitter aggressive remarks I had no energy left to respond and decided to laugh about several other posts. You might try that sometimes... its really good for the soul. And as for her posts... in *my* reality (the only one I can count on) she was reacting to you the same way I was. I don't know her any more than I know YOU. Several of you obviously have issues and cannot restrain yourselves from attacking each other. Tell me (no don't), whats the point? Is life so damn miserable in your world? Where is the *joy* that could be found in just being alive. Life is temporary... why waste time being hateful? > When they decided Merlin was OK, ahhhh that convinced me. Even Richard calls > him a drunk and a troll. "Even Richard calls him a drunk and a troll." ??? Repeating someone else's supposed opinion validates you? How do you arrive at that conclusion? FYI... you come across as one vicious person. Do you realize that? And just because others here back you up sometimes doesn't lessen the impact of your actions. Polly ===== > > What is really interesting is the response of Polly. Mary has posted several > > slams and she doesn't mind? Can you spell inside job? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Polly > ===== > > What is really interesting is the response of Polly. Mary has posted several > > slams and she doesn't mind? Can you spell inside job? >> I promised myself I wasn't going to get drawn into this insipid *BS* but > .. what the hell! But you just couldn't help yourself. AHHH, your human weakness. Do you want to know why I let Mary's posts go? (don't > bother answering that, because I really don't care) Actually, I do let Mary's post go for the most part. Stick to the facts. By the time I > finished reading your bitter aggressive remarks I had no energy left to > respond and decided to laugh about several other posts. You might try > that sometimes... its really good for the soul. And as for her posts... in *my* reality (the only one I can count on) > she was reacting to you the same way I was. I don't know her any more > than I know YOU. I was not thinking she was the person you were connected with actually. > Several of you obviously have issues and cannot restrain yourselves from > attacking each other. Tell me (no don't), whats the point? Is life so > damn miserable in your world? Where is the *joy* that could be found in > just being alive. Life is temporary... why waste time being hateful? Who is being hateful? I post my B position which is just a valid as everyone else's. I have tried it. It doesn't work, I state that and I am not supposed to post (according to the B people who only believe it works if you believe in it). You just made the mistake of getting sucked into it. > > When they decided Merlin was OK, ahhhh that convinced me. Even Richard calls > > him a drunk and a troll. > > "Even Richard calls him a drunk and a troll." ??? Repeating someone > else's supposed opinion validates you? How do you arrive at that > conclusion? No, if you have been around, you would know that I didn't start the problem with Merlin, Richard did. I just said I was getting ready to agree with Richard about Merlin. So now he is mad at me? Duh. Perhaps you would be interested in some of his posts to me. OR NOT. Obviously, you are not very journalistic. You would have to be a good deal less more informed and with much less bias. > FYI... you come across as one vicious person. Do you realize that? And > just because others here back you up sometimes doesn't lessen the impact > of your actions. No, but you understand how you come across because of your refusal to be a an intelligent person who does their homework? Refusal to be informed was one of the reasons I suspected an inside job. Have a nice day, Joy >> What is really interesting is the response of Polly. Mary has posted >> several [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Polly > ===== Sorry that you feel that way about her. She's not that way at all, but over time she has wearied of a continuum of needlessly nasty posts from some trolls, the deluded and outright scammers who have shown up to peddle their venom or to make money from those that they hope are desperate. Until today, I haven't had much interchange with Mary (and it has been inane and unproductive at that--from both of us). Joy and Maureen have both contributed much to discussion here about the use of antibiotics in certain cases of asthma--it's an interesting and emerging approach. ooDoc, Alison, and others are good sources of information and discussion,. Stick around, take what's useful, and discard the rest--like life... Regards... > Sorry that you feel that way about her. She's not that way at all, but over > time she has wearied of a continuum of needlessly nasty posts from some [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Regards... Forget it. This is an inside job. She has no interest in the archives. Doesn't want to know the truth. I mean really. Are these the actions of someone who is seeking information? I don't think so. Joy > cases of asthma--it's an interesting and emerging approach. ooDoc, Alison, > and others are good sources of information and discussion,. Stick around, > take what's useful, and discard the rest--like life... Thanks! Polly > ooDoc, Alison, and others are good sources of information and > discussion,. Gee thanks A, but you forget Ellis and Chefchk and Steven Litvinchouk and Steve Freides and Dr. Bob and Colin Campbell, whom we all hope is safe and will come home soon. If Polly and Mary and Brad stick around, they will come to see Joy and Maureen's good side. If not, we wish them good health. >Stick around, take what's useful, and discard the rest--like life... Those who aren't able to sort postings will not last long on any newsgroup I've ever read. At least (and I really am grateful about this!) we do not often argue about politics on this list. Congratulations to everyone here for staying on-topic, even the shoes-are-evil guy. I do think that a FAQ might be helpful to new posters who may otherwise innocently ask, "Has anyone here tried ozone air cleaners?" After all, there are matters on which nearly everyone agrees. I'd like to reiterate that I've found a lot of useful advice on alt.support.asthma: 1. books to read (_Life and Breath_, _Asthma Sourcebook_) 2. HEPA aircleaners 3. appropriate drug dosages 4. drug side effects 5. new drugs (Xolair, Singulair) 6. relationship of asthma to sinus problems, digestive problems and infections 7. asthma and diet SignatureAlison Chaiken "From:" address above is valid. (650) 236-2231 [daytime] http://www.wsrcc.com/alison/ "You can't fall down when you're kneeling." -- church sign in Brownwood, TX via Paige M. -> > I do think that a FAQ might be helpful to new posters who may > otherwise innocently ask, "Has anyone here tried ozone air cleaners?" Except that you haven't been reading Mary's posts to you. I hate to mention the terrible word. The one that started her off of this rampage.Killfiled. Joy >> ooDoc, Alison, and others are good sources of information and >> discussion,. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > around, they will come to see Joy and Maureen's good side. If not, we > wish them good health. Oh, I would never forget them...my list was not meant to be exhaustive, and represents what I could summon after the fatigue of a long journey back into the U.S.A.. Like you, I hope that Colin is doing well, and will return safely. Regarding Bob, where is he when I need a good song parody?? >> Gee thanks A, but you forget Ellis and Chefchk and Steven Litvinchouk >> and Steve Freides and Dr. Bob and Colin Campbell, whom we all hope is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >the U.S.A.. Like you, I hope that Colin is doing well, and will return >safely. Regarding Bob, where is he when I need a good song parody?? Lovely! Now I'm taking requests! Sung to the tune of: "Could this be anymore Inane?" Also known as: "If I only had a Brain" (Wizard of Oz) One assumes she may be stable, Then she yips and I'm unable To adequately breathe! She might get what she's after As opposed to this disaster; If she'd only decent be. In the newsgroup there is clatter, Some base, barbarian chatter Most irritatingly. Is it rude? Oh so very, She might cause a coronary! If she'd only decent be. She'll attack your posts all fussy, Call you names like she's a hussy, Spewing raunch, truck-driving glee. It's too bad that she's unable Just to leave it in the stable; If she'd only decent be! Bob, Well, I liked it. Seems to have set Mary off again though. Joy > Lovely! Now I'm taking requests! > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Just to leave it in the stable; > If she'd only decent be! >>> Gee thanks A, but you forget Ellis and Chefchk and Steven Litvinchouk >>> and Steve Freides and Dr. Bob and Colin Campbell, whom we all hope is [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Just to leave it in the stable; > If she'd only decent be! Wow, that was quick (and good). Kudos! >>>Oh, I would never forget them...my list was not meant to be exhaustive, >>>and [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >Wow, that was quick (and good). Kudos! Always a pleasure to be of service, ARob? ;) >>> ooDoc, Alison, and others are good sources of information and >>> discussion,. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> not, we >> wish them good health. Oh goodie. I have a "good side". I can sleep at night now, I guess. > Oh, I would never forget them...my list was not meant to be > exhaustive, and represents what I could summon after the > fatigue of a long journey back into the U.S.A.. Like you, I > hope that Colin is doing well, and will return safely. And of course, I also hope he returns safely to the U.S., but certainly not to this newsgroup where he and Allison will once again play pile on every time I post something to help someone, while the rest of you sit silently watching it happen. Regarding Bob, where is he when I need a good song parody?? Please. No. >And of course, I also hope he returns safely to the U.S., but >certainly not to this newsgroup where he and Allison will once >again play pile on every time I post something to help someone, >while the rest of you sit silently watching it happen. This is a unique style of support; attempting to engender guilt in those who choose not to have a horse in this particular race. Not that helpful, IMO. BTW, do you remember how *you* piled on 00Doc when you first arrived in this newsgroup? Hmm? > Regarding Bob, where is he when I need a good song parody?? > >Please. No. Push. Pull. Wait a moment; Yes, No. (fighting back the urge here...) :) Maureen, I'm also sorry to hear about your recent diagnosis. alt.support.cancer is a pretty good group with some experienced patients/docs (which you may already know). My wife triumped over her cancer, with and in spite of snafus. You can too. >My wife triumped over her >cancer, with and in spite of snafus. You can too. Correction: There were not three umpires involved at all... That should read, "triumphed." Now have a triumphant day! > This is a unique style of support; attempting to engender guilt in > those who choose not to have a horse in this particular race. Not > that helpful, IMO. BTW, do you remember how *you* piled on 00Doc when > you first arrived in this newsgroup? Hmm? In all fairness, I was trying slay her sacred cow. In the end it turned out to at least partly be due to a misunderstanding but man, once that angry genie is out of the bottle....... Signature00doc >> This is a unique style of support; attempting to engender >> guilt in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > once that > angry genie is out of the bottle....... The goal in my reply was to be more gracious than this, and I hope I've succeeded. I don't have a sacred cow. I'm just trying to help people and not one size fits all. But regarding the angry genie - hey - I'm Irish and Italian - what can I say? This curse may help me face this battle, so it may not be a bad thing, after all. > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:52:16 -0600, "NorthShoreCEO" wrote: BTW, do you remember how *you* piled on 00Doc when > you first arrived in this newsgroup? Hmm? Before I race out the door here, I'll respond. As I recall, we both piled on, although I made it more personal than he did, which was very poor form on my part. And not that it's anyones business, I apologized to him some time ago, for the entire episode, which is one more apology than I've ever received from anyone here. I happen to have a lot of respect for Doc, although ours was not a good start. (See Polly? It happens!) >> Regarding Bob, where is he when I need a good song parody?? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > here...) > :) Don't take it personally. It's just I find these things fall into two categories in "support" newsgroups or forums. They're either not helping answer a question or they're meant to mock someone who is truly troubled. In either case, I find them lame. Outside this arena, however, I'd find you absolutely brilliant and would encourage you. Not that you care....lol. > Maureen, I'm also sorry to hear about your recent diagnosis. > alt.support.cancer is a pretty good group with some experienced > patients/docs (which you may already know). My wife triumped > over her > cancer, with and in spite of snafus. You can too. Thanks. >>> Regarding Bob, where is he when I need a good song parody?? >>>Please. No. >> Push. Pull. Wait a moment; Yes, No. (fighting back the urge >> here...) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >either not helping answer a question or they're meant to mock >someone who is truly troubled. In either case, I find them lame. That you find my antics lame, well, that's ok. However, I do recall you had no problem with me turning Sheldon into a newt...but he had it coming... >Outside this arena, however, I'd find you absolutely brilliant >and would encourage you. Not that you care....lol. That was most kind. Thank you. > That you find my antics lame, well, that's ok. However, I > do recall > you had no problem with me turning Sheldon into a > newt...but he had it > coming... Yeah - but he got better. >> Outside this arena, however, I'd find you absolutely >> brilliant >> and would encourage you. Not that you care....lol. > > That was most kind. Thank you. Whether one finds you funny or not (I often do) you are a quick wit - a sure sign of intelligence. Signature00doc >Whether one finds you funny or not (I often do) you are a >quick wit - a sure sign of intelligence. A sign of life anyway. Thanks. I agree and a WISH I had your talent! JEESZ I wish it weren't wasted here. Joy > >Whether one finds you funny or not (I often do) you are a > >quick wit - a sure sign of intelligence. > > A sign of life anyway. Thanks. >> That you find my antics lame, well, that's ok. However, I >> do recall [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Yeah - but he got better. Now for something completely different: Knavely bold Sir Merlin rode forth from who cares-a-lot He was not afraid to fry, O knave Sir Merlin. He was not at all afraid to be exposed in nasty ways Knave, knave, knave, knave Sir Merlin. He was not in the least bit scared to be lashed into a pulp Or to have his wallet gouged out and his record broken. To have his lickity split and his theories spaced away And his thoughts all Yin and Yangled, knave Sir Merlin. His head backed up and his pants cut out And his ISP removed and his computer unplugged And his nostrils dripped and his bottom clutched off And his genus... Well that's enough music for now, lads... Knave Sir Merlin ran away. Knavely ran away, away When reason reared its ugly head, He knavely turned his tail and fled. Yes, knave Sir Merlin turned about And gallantly he buggered out. Knavely talking to his feet, He beat a very knave retreat. Knavest of the knave, Sir Merlin. > >> That you find my antics lame, well, that's ok. However, I > >> do recall [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > He beat a very knave retreat. > Knavest of the knave, Sir Merlin. Hilarious, Bob. Mary, a big Monty Python fan! . BTW, do you remember how *you* piled on 00Doc when > you first arrived in this newsgroup? Hmm? I remember that! LOLOL Very well,.................. but I was involved. Aren't we all glad THAT is over! Joy > . BTW, do you remember how *you* piled on 00Doc when > > you first arrived in this newsgroup? Hmm? > > I remember that! LOLOL Very well,.................. but I was involved. > Aren't we all glad THAT is over! But I do want to say that the reason I fought so hard with him is I knew I was right. I am certain that it wasn't that easy for you guys to know that though, and I just want us to get along from here. Unless I start making outlandish claims that is! Joy > > ooDoc, Alison, and others are good sources of information and > > discussion,. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > around, they will come to see Joy and Maureen's good side. If not, we > wish them good health. Again, the controlling tone. This is Usenet, not a private club, toots. > Gee thanks A, but you forget Ellis and Chefchk and Steven Litvinchouk > and Steve Freides and Dr. Bob and Colin Campbell, whom we all hope is > safe and will come home soon. I was going to tell you the kids from around here are now going in for their 3rd tour of duty. So it might be awhile. Joy Quote: "Gee thanks A, but you forget Ellis and Chefchk and Steven Litvinchouk and Steve Freides and Dr. Bob and Colin Campbell, whom we all hope is safe and will come home soon. If Polly and Mary and Brad stick around, they will come to see Joy and Maureen's good side. If not, we wish them good health." That is not a good way to play cock of the roost! Solidarity is not possible without the psychosomatic side getting more attention. If you were not apparently too self-satisfied to examine Dr. Erik Peper's carefully documented claim that asthma depends on the way a person chooses to breathe, we might get on to preventing asthma instead of small timing with more meds ad nauseam which may well encourage dysfunctional breathing. This would be a more worthwhile objective than caring about the fortunes of the pharmaceutical industry, whose efforts are in any case dependent on patient mentality. Then Buteyko would also be understood and considered a useful strategy in the hands of competent physicians instead of causing the odd outbreak of hysteria. If like many I'd heavily invested time and money in asthma drug therapy, I might possibly consider pro-Buteyko postings malicious taunts, like anyone would do on being confronted with a quack cure for something being successfully dealt with by ongoing mainstream medical treatment. Regards, Richard Friedel > If you were not apparently too self-satisfied to examine Dr. Erik > Peper's carefully documented claim And the band plays on. > FYI... you come across as one vicious person. Do you realize that? And > just because others here back you up sometimes doesn't lessen the impact > of your actions. And you don't even come close to matching the names I have been called. I'd killfile you but that would set Mary off again. Joy > > What is really interesting is the response of Polly. Mary has posted several > > slams and she doesn't mind? Can you spell inside job? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > she was reacting to you the same way I was. I don't know her any more > than I know YOU. Polly. You are smart--you get it! Stick around, kid, and let's talk about this disease. (Joy does not even have asthma, did you know that?) > Polly. You are smart--you get it! Stick around, kid, and let's talk about > this disease. (Joy does not even have asthma, did you know that?) Kid! <bg> thanks! No one has called me that in a long time. I keep getting 'yes, ma'am' these days by my (adult) daughter's friends. I had to put a stop to that fast!!!!! :) Polly ===== its a groove thang! > > Polly. You are smart--you get it! Stick around, kid, and let's talk about > > this disease. (Joy does not even have asthma, did you know that?) > > Kid! <bg> thanks! No one has called me that in a long time. I keep > getting 'yes, ma'am' these days by my (adult) daughter's friends. I had > to put a stop to that fast!!!!! :) Haha! Imagine me saying it with a Groucho kind of cigar-waggling eyebrow bob! > > Moodswing Mary *contributes* by dribbling: > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Joy I love it when you do this. Now sit back and let me show you what newsgroups are for. >> > Moodswing Mary *contributes* by dribbling: >> > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > I love it when you do this. Now sit back and let me show > you what newsgroups are for. Yeah, you're really in control. If you lost your arrogance, you wouldn't have any personality at all. > >> > Moodswing Mary *contributes* by dribbling: > >> > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Yeah, you're really in control. If you lost your arrogance, you wouldn't > have any personality at all. Thank you. *bows* >> >> > Moodswing Mary *contributes* by dribbling: >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > *bows* While you're down there, could you kiss... > >> >> > Moodswing Mary *contributes* by dribbling: > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > While you're down there, could you kiss... I could do a lot of things, when you think about it. >> >> >> > Moodswing Mary *contributes* by dribbling: >> >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > I could do a lot of things, when you think about it. Ouch...I'd rather not... >>> >> >> > Moodswing Mary *contributes* by dribbling: >>> >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > >Ouch...I'd rather not... Yeah, you might as well it this one out... (Caution: the following link is not for sensitive viewers) http://www.u-blog.net/esquisse/img/elephantiasis.jpg >>>> >> >> > Moodswing Mary *contributes* by dribbling: >>>> >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] >(Caution: the following link is not for sensitive viewers) >http://www.u-blog.net/esquisse/img/elephantiasis.jpg Dangit, I was laughing too much... ..sit this one out.. > >>>> >> >> > Moodswing Mary *contributes* by dribbling: > >>>> >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > ..sit this one out.. lol Maureen, You have other problems. Walk away. I love it how these new people walk in and suddenly are experts. And some of us haven't behaved as badly as the people they are supporting. Should tell you alot. Joy I've noted that Polly is only responding to selective posts even though several of us have tried to reassure her. That's fine. When she checks out Merlins website and sees that he recommends curing asthma with cold showers, and sees him post at some point how dangerous asthma drugs, doctors and antibiotics are - with a conspiracy theory attached - she might have second thoughts. ;-) You're right though, I have other things to worry about at this point, and I'm a little shocked that some of the people I've emailed in the past - several times, I might add - to check on their condition out of genuine concern, haven't shown the same concern by dropping a line to say, "Gee ya got cancer? That's really tough." In this world of me, me, me, that shouldn't come as a surprise, but it does. No it isn't a world of me, me, me. Of course, people are just young and dumb. They have little idea what you are facing because it hasn't happened to anyone close to them. YET. I think I should go after that B assed person Merlin who is such a lost cause that even the other altmed types rejected him. Only the people who have refused to read any of his pasts posts support him. Perhaps it is my years in Bank security, but to me, that says INSIDE JOB. So it is probably pointless. I was working on that just before I saw your post. 2005 - pretty new NIC to the internet. I will fill you in later. Joy I've noted that Polly is only responding to selective posts even though several of us have tried to reassure her. That's fine. When she checks out Merlins website and sees that he recommends curing asthma with cold showers, and sees him post at some point how dangerous asthma drugs, doctors and antibiotics are - with a conspiracy theory attached - she might have second thoughts. ;-) You're right though, I have other things to worry about at this point, and I'm a little shocked that some of the people I've emailed in the past - several times, I might add - to check on their condition out of genuine concern, haven't shown the same concern by dropping a line to say, "Gee ya got cancer? That's really tough." In this world of me, me, me, that shouldn't come as a surprise, but it does. > curing asthma with cold showers, and sees him post at some point how Hmmm... I thought it was just me! This has slowed down or halted many attacks for me when the reason was overheating. And there is NO cure. But I am sure you know that. > genuine concern, haven't shown the same concern by dropping a line to > say, "Gee ya got cancer? That's really tough." In this world of me, You don't know me and will maybe just get angry that I say this this but... I am genuinely sorry to hear that you have cancer and hope that things turn around for the better for you. take care (FWIW I do mean that) Polly > > curing asthma with cold showers, and sees him post at some point how > > Hmmm... I thought it was just me! This has slowed down or halted many > attacks for me when the reason was overheating. And there is NO cure. > But I am sure you know that. Cold showers helped me. But it wasn't overheating. It was getting allergans away from my face. The medical literature actually refutes this. > > genuine concern, haven't shown the same concern by dropping a line to > > say, "Gee ya got cancer? That's really tough." In this world of me, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > take care (FWIW I do mean that) No you aren't. Anyone believe this? You were in there accusing us both. You really should have spent your time more wisely. Buddying up now is........too little, too late. Joy > Cold showers helped me. But it wasn't overheating. It was getting allergans > away from my face. The medical literature actually refutes this. And my own personal experience says it works for me... I'll continue to use it as a way to slow down or stop an attack (if done quick enough). With the option being fighting to breath or even going to the er... whats a little water? >>You don't know me and will maybe just get angry that I say this this >>but... I am genuinely sorry to hear that you have cancer and hope that >>things turn around for the better for you. > No you aren't. Anyone believe this? You were in there accusing us both. You > really should have spent your time more wisely. Buddying up now > is........too little, too late. I said EXACTLY what I meant to her and for no other reason that I meant it. I have no investment in lying to her about a very serious situation. AND I wasn't sending that statement to you. Maybe you'll get to read this in someone else's reply..... if not, no loss to either of us and I am sure everyone else is getting tired of this anyway! Polly and I am sure everyone else is getting tired of > this anyway! I'll agree with that. And the Mary thing too. 'cept she can't stop, it would appear. But my comment to you about Maureen is based in fact as she has emailed her feelings about your posts (since you seem to agree with our less than sensitive MARY) and I know she is not herself because of the worry. I just have ISSUES with people who are making her life more difficult RIGHT NOW while she is trying to come to LIFE ALTERING decisions. So, you know where to go with your anger about us. Joy Dear Polly, It is interesting to hear you mention showering, I know it sounds absoluely ridiculous but I have assisted many dozens of severe sufferers who had given up and were desperate to walk clear using this technique coupled with many other assistive positive remedial ideas. There is a lot more to this including bathing in other freezing waters but that is another story. Basically it is not all that difficult to address these kinds of problems using these ideas. Buteyko elements were simply part of this assistive method. With regard to me receiving insults or being accused as a drunk by Richard, I took no offence in fact I thought it was quite funny, and have no interest in arguing about this kind of thing. I do not suffer asthma, I have not suffered for the last thirtyfive years, I did suffer for a previous twentysix years or more and had a couple of really delightful near death experiences, I had been through the mill as far as hospitals and medical methods went. My interest is in passing information and working with others by inspecting homes and trying to identify how various people's problem has happened and in determining a remedial plan with them. I am not selling anything or charging for anything apart from equipment used in rectifying home situations such as excavators and materials required for work to rectify asthmatic causing problems such as drainage or various tree problems. I am not a medical person but do from time to time work with doctors in some remedial capacity. I owe a lot for my situation so my services remain free. I am part of a rapid medical response group currently on standby for services in Asia, my area is power, water, sanitation, triage, and I have experience dealing with Cholera, Typhoid and other tropical disease prevention engineering. My greatest worry is always having to use antibiotics. Cheers, Merlin > > Cold showers helped me. But it wasn't overheating. It was getting allergans > > away from my face. The medical literature actually refutes this. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Maybe you'll get to read this in someone else's reply..... if not, no > loss to either of us and I am sure everyone else is getting tired of > this anyway! > > Polly > Dear Polly, It is interesting to hear you mention showering, I know it > sounds absoluely ridiculous but I have assisted many dozens of severe > sufferers who had given up and were desperate to walk clear using this > technique coupled with many other assistive positive remedial ideas. > There is a lot more to this including bathing in other freezing waters > but that is another story. Merlin, these freezing baths sound like they might be hard on the heart--just what an asthmatic does not need. What do you think? [...] > I do not suffer asthma, I have not suffered for the last thirtyfive > years, I did suffer for a previous twentysix years or more and had a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > trying to identify how various people's problem has happened and in > determining a remedial plan with them. This sounds like a worthwhile endeavor to me. If I found something that worked for me I would want to pass it on. Dear Mary, As much as I hate to agree with Joy I have noticed in many cases where the cold-shock routine had no improvement effect and it was subsequently determined in at least one case that the sufferer was affected by chlamydia. This seemed to infer that this procedure might be helpful in determination of the problem. In virtually every case where it was definite allergy related asthma the shock assists to varying degrees. Over the years I have received a lot of feedback from people trying that routine, the netsite has existed over ten years now and the notes shown there do not include the other material. As I mentioned this is a collection of proven assistive remedial ideas, that is why my interest in Buteyko originated. Many of the surveys I carried out with regard to the asthma problem included various groups, including nurses, 1st year, 2nd year etc and produced some interesting information. Apart from many nurses trying to avoid mention of their problems which apart from asthmatic tendencies also included knee problems and in later years back problems there was the effect of the ridiculous shift systems they worked. Another interesting survey was with school cleaning ladies, this really hit the jackpot with adult onset asthma. Surveying timber mills was another interesting area, anyone involved more than three years in most Canadian sawmills were virtually sure to be affected by asthma. The problem with all this stuff is that it is now obsolete, in most cases procedures and equipment have subtly changed. If any of you are ex nurses in the 60 or so age group you will find I have struck a chord. The interesting thing with nurses was that the majority of them could get a simple script from one of their doctor friends and had easy access to antibiotics. I suspect the root cause of this problem generally was strong disinfectants used and was either in the group of eucalyptus or pine. The antibiotics were conducive to the problem propogating. One interesting footnote, the only possible reason for nurses haning knee problems that I could see was from making beds and using their knees to hold the sheets on one side. So quite obviously there is bug related asthma and allergy types which require different methods of address. My beef against Joy was due to no testing being done before using the big guns because in all probability it could have reverse effect on most cases. Cheers, Merlin. > > Dear Polly, It is interesting to hear you mention showering, I know it > > sounds absoluely ridiculous but I have assisted many dozens of severe [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > This sounds like a worthwhile endeavor to me. If I found something > that worked for me I would want to pass it on. > > Cold showers helped me. But it wasn't overheating. It was getting allergans > > away from my face. The medical literature actually refutes this. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > With the option being fighting to breath or even going to the er... > whats a little water? Polly, do you use a so-called "rescue inhaler" when this happens? Or does it happen in spite of using it? Also, I do think you might want to get checked for allergies. Just to see. >>> curing asthma with cold showers, and sees him post at >>> some point how [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cold showers helped me. Cold showrs help me too.........oh wait..........you guys are still talking about asthma, aren't you? Nevermind. Signature00doc > Cold showrs help me too.........oh wait..........you guys > are still talking about asthma, aren't you? > > Nevermind. lol... wondered if someone would go there. :) Polly > Cold showrs help me too.........oh wait..........you guys > are still talking about asthma, aren't you? > > Nevermind. Aren't you married?????? I am going to telllllllllllllllllllll. Joy >> Cold showrs help me too.........oh wait..........you guys >> are still talking about asthma, aren't you? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Aren't you married?????? I am going to > telllllllllllllllllllll. Of course I'm married. Married with three kids - one 3 months old. Why else would I need to take cold showers? Signature00doc >>> Cold showrs help me too.........oh wait..........you guys >>> are still talking about asthma, aren't you? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Of course I'm married. Married with three kids - one 3 >months old. Why else would I need to take cold showers? While in your reproductive years, this activity aids in maintaining optimum cremaster muscle integrity. Reel it in Chris. Wise thinking; no bull... http://beef.osu.edu/library/scrotum.html >> curing asthma with cold showers, and sees him post at some >> point how > > Hmmm... I thought it was just me! This has slowed down or > halted many attacks for me when the reason was overheating. > And there is NO cure. But I am sure you know that. Many people have stumbled upon little things that have 'helped' them. That doesn't mean you should believe or give credibility to a person or website where outrageous claims are being made - including a cure. This was debated recently, and since you've been lurking a few days, you've probably seen that thread. Merlin has stated here in the past, that he's cured many people of asthma. I would find that odd, actually, that you think there is no cure, but don't have a problem with someone who claims there is a cure by using very unorthodox methods - particularly when he's not medically trained. By the way,asthma CAN be cured in some cases, and mine was one of those cases. I suffered for 33 years with asthma. Of course, my cure involved seeing a doctor and taking an antibiotic - two things Merlin thinks is extremely dangerous for people to do, but if asthma is caused by bacteria, which it sometimes is, then all the cold showers and removal of triggers and special diet in the world won't do much to help. You have to take the antibiotics to get rid of it - something Merlin just can't tolerate. Beware of the long diatribes that are sugar coated as though he's aligned himself with you. The guy is really dangerous to those with a life threatening disease. >> genuine concern, haven't shown the same concern by dropping a >> line to say, "Gee ya got cancer? That's really tough." In [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > this but... I am genuinely sorry to hear that you have cancer > and hope that things turn around for the better for you. I'm not at all angry by what you've written and I believe you're genuine in writing this. Thank you - I appreciate the sentiment. > That doesn't mean you should believe or give credibility > to a person or website where outrageous claims are being made - > including a cure. Don't worry... I never will buy into the 'cure' theory. Just hard-headed and not gullible by any stretch of the imagination I guess! But thanks for the heads-up. > I would find that odd, actually, that you think there > is no cure, but don't have a problem with someone who claims > there is a cure by using very unorthodox methods - particularly > when he's not medically trained. I actually have 'no problem' with a lot of people *without* believing in the same things, and whether they are/are not medically trained. 'Listening' to someone and taking something (or nothing) from that doesn't require whole hearted investment in their beliefs. I don't quite understand why it would have to to be one or the other. I, personally, believe that for ME there is no cure. There is management... and with changes in my lifestyle (better rest, better diet, better environment) there could possibly be a reduction in the severity of my asthma... but the exact same goes for a badly damaged in my back. I take care of it and it is manageable (w/ minimal pain meds to the orthopod's surprise). Now if I would just take care of the diet and rest thing! :) > By the way,asthma CAN be cured in some cases, and mine was one of > those cases. I suffered for 33 years with asthma. Of course, my > cure involved seeing a doctor and taking an antibiotic - two > things Merlin thinks is extremely dangerous for people to do, but > if asthma is caused by bacteria, which it sometimes is, then all Ok then... I have no problem with you and yet do not agree (or yet disagree) with the antibiotic angle. For me, antibiotics have only been used when I had recurring bronchitis and thats all they seemed to take care of. I simply do not know one way or the other. But if you were advocating *almost* anything in a respectful and intelligent manner I would listen, converse, possible question and take from it or not as seemed appropriate to me! I will be asking my doc about the use of antibiotics next visit. And are you talking about long term use... aren't there side effects and other problems then? And as far as not seeing a doctor... no way would I give up any of the doctors I see now. I have changed doctors in the past when I didn't like the results of their treatment and other reasons but to do without a doctor... no way. I actually have recently begun seeing an excellent specialist. He is a lot less eager to prescribe and immediately stopped several that I was on and added one medication (Spiriva). There has been some improvement. > the cold showers and removal of triggers and special diet in the > world won't do much to help. You have to take the antibiotics to > get rid of it - something Merlin just can't tolerate. I am really glad this worked for you and I understand it has worked for others. Personally I feel that there are so many components and causes of asthma that it takes work to find out what works for each individual. > Beware of the long diatribes that are sugar coated as though he's > aligned himself with you. The guy is really dangerous to those > with a life threatening disease. Thanks very much for you concern but no warnings needed... I am pretty hard headed and hard to convince! Again just because I converse respectfully with someone and 'listen' doesn't mean I am being coerced or convinced! :) > I'm not at all angry by what you've written and I believe you're > genuine in writing this. Thank you - I appreciate the sentiment. As a friend said today... "if it wasn't for strangers we would never meet friends..." And I think that genuine concern for other people does not mean just caring about those that we 'know'. take good care of yourself... Polly > > That doesn't mean you should believe or give credibility > > to a person or website where outrageous claims are being made - [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > 'Listening' to someone and taking something (or nothing) from that > doesn't require whole hearted investment in their beliefs. Precisely! The point of discussion is to get it all in the mix and talk it out. That's how we learn. >I don't > quite understand why it would have to to be one or the other. Typical bad thinking. It's a false dichotomy. An untrue "either/or." > I, personally, believe that for ME there is no cure. There is > management... and with changes in my lifestyle (better rest, better [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to the orthopod's surprise). Now if I would just take care of the diet > and rest thing! :) Management is enough. With it, you don't die early, as you do without it. What makes me hopeful is that (per my doctor) even people with asthma can increase lung volume and hence improve lung function simply by exercising. This is complicated when exercise is a trigger, but it is not for me. > Ok then... I have no problem with you and yet do not agree (or yet > disagree) with the antibiotic angle. For me, antibiotics have only been > used when I had recurring bronchitis and thats all they seemed to take > care of. I simply do not know one way or the other. The other problem with anyone advocating the use of antibiotics is that we become immune tothem so rapidly, or, to state it better, their widespread use and misuse had resulted in countless new strains of bacteria that have mutated so that current antibiotics do not work, and the bacteria have done this as a result of the use of these antibiotics. I try never to use them, thinking one day I might really need them to ward off something life threatening like septicemia or any number of conditions for which they are life savers. But if you were > advocating *almost* anything in a respectful and intelligent manner I > would listen, converse, possible question and take from it or not as [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > lot less eager to prescribe and immediately stopped several that I was > on and added one medication (Spiriva). There has been some improvement. I would like to hear more about Sprirva, and about what you were on that he took you off of. > > the cold showers and removal of triggers and special diet in the > > world won't do much to help. You have to take the antibiotics to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > others. Personally I feel that there are so many components and causes > of asthma that it takes work to find out what works for each individual. This is all true, true, true. There is no One True Way. Only a limited intellect would ever suggest it! > Precisely! The point of discussion is to get it all in the mix and > talk it out. That's how we learn. As with almost everything in life! > Management is enough. With it, you don't die early, as you do At the very least it needs to be a starting point. > without it. What makes me hopeful is that (per my doctor) > even people with asthma can increase lung volume and hence That is one of the key goals he has set for me... > one day I might really need them to ward off something > life threatening like septicemia or any number of conditions for > which they are life savers. And my antibiotic choices are limited; I am to allergic penicillin (accidental hospital overdose at 5 yrs old) and have stomach and skin reactions to Leviquin (possibly all quinilones antibiotics). Zithromicin seems to work well but the stronger the antibiotic the more adverse reactions I have. I have a hard time making some doctors understand that, when I ask for less antibiotics rather than more. > I would like to hear more about Sprirva, and about what you were on that > he took you off of. I was first given Spiriva at my last hospital stay (last year) and I immediately felt my chest and airways open up. Seriously... it was an immediate physical sense of breathing like I hadn't in years. Taking it on a daily basis I don't have that effect now, but if I forget to use the Spiriva for a day (typical for me) I regain that feeling of a 'cinder-block on my chest'. Stupid way to be reminded to take my meds. take care Polly > > without it. What makes me hopeful is that (per my doctor) > > even people with asthma can increase lung volume and hence > That is one of the key goals he has set for me... Hey, all you have to do is breathe hard for a while every day! And then make the "while" just a bit longer as time goes on. Yard work is pretty good for that, for me. > > one day I might really need them to ward off something > > life threatening like septicemia or any number of conditions for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > reactions I have. I have a hard time making some doctors understand > that, when I ask for less antibiotics rather than more. Seems you are not a good candidate for that method of "curing" asthma, then. I doubt I would try it unless nothing else worked to control my symptoms. > > I would like to hear more about Sprirva, and about what you were on that > > he took you off of. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the Spiriva for a day (typical for me) I regain that feeling of a > 'cinder-block on my chest'. Stupid way to be reminded to take my meds. I felt that way when I first took Advair, though you aren't supposed to feel it right away. Over the next few days I felt my lungs "stretch," like air was getting into places where it had not been in a while! This is just a few months ago. methods - particularly >> when he's not medically trained. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > in their beliefs. I don't quite understand why it would have > to to be one or the other. Well, you sound enlightened, but there are some very gullible people, obviously, so the warning tends to be given loud and clear when one of the nutjobs show up here. > I, personally, believe that for ME there is no cure. There is > management... and with changes in my lifestyle (better rest, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > surprise). Now if I would just take care of the diet and rest > thing! :) It's probably true for most people there is no cure, only management. Researchers believe asthma can be caused by a number of things. It can be damaged airways, allergies, or even airborne bacteria that you get via a cold, bronchitis, flu or pneumoniae that decides to reside in the tissue. I will be asking my doc about the use of > antibiotics next visit. I doubt your doctor will know about it, and that's not a slam to your doctor. While this has been studied for almost twenty years, and they've been doing a lot of research at our number 1 asthma facility, National Jewish Medical & Research Center (alth |
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