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Kevin Graham - 17 Sep 2004 21:20 GMT
Greetings.  I'm 53, male.  I'm wondering if inability to
achieve a satisfying yawn (if that makes sense) could
be related to asthma.  For about a week now, I've been
yawning every 10 or 15 minutes---haven't actually
timed the interval.  Every so often, I get a sense of
relief from the yawn.  But most of the time it's a sense
of frustration, as if I just can't get a deep enough breath.  
I raise my shoulders and expand my rib cage with the
yawn, but that seems normal.  
My health is otherwise OK......... eg, I can ride my bike
30 minutes with no problem.  
thanks
Bob - 17 Sep 2004 22:22 GMT
>Greetings.  I'm 53, male.  I'm wondering if inability to
>achieve a satisfying yawn (if that makes sense) could
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>30 minutes with no problem.  
>thanks

Kevin, I experienced this same symptom as a youth.  One pulmonary
specialist I spoke with several years ago referred to this condition
as "sighing syndrome," which is viewed by many, but not all, to be a
variant of true hyperventilation syndrome (NOT chronic ventilation
syndrome, which is a pet theory diagnosis of those who believe that
*all* asthmatics are *always* overbreathing).  

There is no known cause of this condition.
If this is your only breathing symptom, it probably isn't asthma.  A
pulmonologist's office would be a good place to start.

In my case, the problem resolved with a little chiropractic care, but
I had limitated motion in the joints of my upper neck (due to several
head and neck injuries).  I believe mine was a mechanical problem,
which may have irritated my brain stem (where the respiratory center
of the brain is), hence, the annoying symptom.  Mine is a completely
anecdotal experience, however, and may have little or no relevance to
your particular situation.

What did you do differently (physically, environmentally) two or three
weeks prior to the onset of your symptoms?  What has changed with your
health besides these recent intermittent attempts at sighing?
doe - 18 Sep 2004 23:50 GMT
>Subject: Re: chronic yawning
>From: Bob drbob4prevention@hotmail.com
>Date: 9/17/2004 3:22 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <ufimk010vb062npv1nefcsja798phnq8kb@4ax.com>

>There is no known cause of this condition.

Frequent Symptoms of Acidosis:

Arthritis   Constipation or diarrhea   Headaches   Indigestion   Insomnia  
Sunken eyes   Low blood pressure   Water retention  Frequent yawning or signing


http://www.chemicalbalance.com/acidosis.htm

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Bob - 19 Sep 2004 07:14 GMT
>>There is no known cause of this condition.
>
>Frequent Symptoms of Acidosis:
>
>Arthritis   Constipation or diarrhea   Headaches   Indigestion   Insomnia  
>Sunken eyes   Low blood pressure   Water retention  Frequent yawning or signing

It isn't frequent yawning that is the problem. In fact it's the exact
opposite. The perception is that you cannot achieve a satisfying sigh
from taking a deep breath, so you end up hyperventilating trying to do
so.  If only you could yawn, if only you could sigh, all would be
well.
Peter Kolb - 20 Sep 2004 14:10 GMT
>>>There is no known cause of this condition.
>>
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>so.  If only you could yawn, if only you could sigh, all would be
>well.

This is, of course, just the paradox of the Bohr effect.   To properly
oxygenate your body you need to breathe.  But if you breathe too much
your body fails to oxygenate properly, not because there is not enough
oxygen in the blood, but becasue there is not enough CO2 to unload the
Oxygen from the hemoglobin and into the tissues where it is needed.
That is just the Bohr effect.

If you don't believe it try deliberately hyperventilating for a while.
You'll first get dizzy and then you'll faint.  Why?  Because the blood
vessels going to the brain go into spasm reducing cerebral blood flow.
In addition, because of the Bohr effect your hemoglobin won't unload
the Oxygen the brain needs.   The Oxygen returns to the lungs on a
wasted trip.  That's why people with CFS have high Venous Oxygen.
It's also why you can never get a satisfying breath by sighing and
yawning.

Once you've raised your CO2 levels sufficiently you won't have that
problem anymore.

Peter Kolb
Biomedical Engineer

pkolb@wt.com.au
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doe - 18 Sep 2004 23:45 GMT
>Subject: chronic yawning
>From: kappo50@yahoo.com  (Kevin Graham)
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>30 minutes with no problem.  
>thanks

It is a sign of acidosis ..

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Tom
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Bob - 24 Sep 2004 02:12 GMT
   Oh hell. I've only been here five minutes and Tom shows up...... <eg>
   OK; how does iron deficiency cause asthma?

> >Subject: chronic yawning
> >From: kappo50@yahoo.com  (Kevin Graham)
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