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Bob - 24 Sep 2004 02:07 GMT
   Hi all,
   My name is Bob and I'm a 44 yo widower. I've recently found someone my
age who is compatible but she is totally computer illiterate and I'm
checking for her. She has a son who will be 6yo soon; he has serious enough
attacks that he was in the hospital last weekend.
   There has been a huge amount of stress in her family, death, divorce,
moving, financial, you name it. I know nothing about asthma from first-hand
experience, but it seems to me that the =kids= I've known with asthma have
all been in a home life situation where it was very stressful.
   1. Are attacks ever caused by stress or is it always allergens??? Cat
hair, etc?? Paint thinner and whatnot??
   2. What is a good air cleaner for an asthmatic that you can get at
WalMart or someplace??? We are way out in the boonies...
   3. Anybody know any good websites that you have found helpful?
   Thanks for your help!
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Mrs Esterhouse - 24 Sep 2004 08:26 GMT
Hi Bob, Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com I feel that stress can
indeed trigger an asthma attack in people. The HEPA air cleaners in dept
stores like Wal-Mart are of low quality and they cost a small fortune id
after market filter replacment costs.. Check the search engines for quality
HEPA air cleaners. I feel that the best ones on the market are made by
Austin Air, Tracs, Clarifier and IQ Air.

>     Hi all,
>     My name is Bob and I'm a 44 yo widower. I've recently found someone my
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>     3. Anybody know any good websites that you have found helpful?
>     Thanks for your help!
iamthezookeeper - 24 Sep 2004 13:46 GMT
Hi Bob. I have had Asthma/Samters Triad for 23 years. Here is a site you
can go to and read with your girlfriends child as it is set up like a
tutorial. Gather all the info on Asthma and treatments you can and then
start getting the dust/mold/mildew out of the house. It sounds daunting
but once the place is throughly cleaned it is easier to keep the triggers
down. Foods, stress, pets, weather, humidity, perfumes, soaps, etc...can
trigger attacks...finding the trigger is hard but with time can be done.
Good luck and let us know how it goes...and kudo's to you for being such a
great boyfriend! Trudy.

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~smb4v/tutorials/asthma/asthma1.html
Bob - 24 Sep 2004 13:57 GMT
> Hi Bob. I have had Asthma/Samters Triad for 23 years. Here is a site you
> can go to and read with your girlfriends child as it is set up like a
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>
> http://www.people.virginia.edu/~smb4v/tutorials/asthma/asthma1.html

   I am a family-oriented guy. I have three kids and a five bedroom house;
I am ready to marry a gal with a kid, already have a room picked out for
him! :-)
Bob - 24 Sep 2004 13:55 GMT
> Hi Bob, Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com I feel that stress can
> indeed trigger an asthma attack in people. The HEPA air cleaners in dept
> stores like Wal-Mart are of low quality and they cost a small fortune id
> after market filter replacment costs.. Check the search engines for quality
> HEPA air cleaners. I feel that the best ones on the market are made by
> Austin Air, Tracs, Clarifier and IQ Air.

   This is a first! A commercial post in a ng that is good!! LOL!!!
   We have the money to handle any problem, we just didn't know what to
buy! I have bookmarked your site
   Thanks, Bob<><

> >     Hi all,
> >     My name is Bob and I'm a 44 yo widower. I've recently found someone my
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> >     3. Anybody know any good websites that you have found helpful?
> >     Thanks for your help!
Mrs Esterhouse - 24 Sep 2004 16:22 GMT
Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com  Thanks Bob! I would like to add
that the TRACS and Clarifier HEPA air cleaner units also have medical grade
non-ozone producing Ultra-Violet light systems in them that will also kill
mold spores, bacteria and viruses.

ALSO if you are shopping for a quality HEPA vacuum cleaner to keep your home
super clean, check out the AirStorm HEPA vacuum cleaners. They are by far
the best on the market and they are made in the USA in CA. I used to sell
the Nilfisk and the Miele Vacuum cleaners. After I discovered the AirStorm I
dropped the other brands as they could not come close to comparing with the
AirStorm HEPA Vacuum cleaners. They cost more money then the cheaper Dept
store brands, but the AirStorms are light weight for your new wife, twice as
powerful and they will last for years on end.

> > Hi Bob, Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com I feel that stress can
> > indeed trigger an asthma attack in people. The HEPA air cleaners in dept
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> > >     3. Anybody know any good websites that you have found helpful?
> > >     Thanks for your help!
Bob - 24 Sep 2004 16:56 GMT
> Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com  Thanks Bob! I would like to add
> that the TRACS and Clarifier HEPA air cleaner units also have medical grade
> non-ozone producing Ultra-Violet light systems in them that will also kill
> mold spores, bacteria and viruses.

   That sounds like a really great idea; I am familiar with UV sterilizers
from keeping aquaria.

> ALSO if you are shopping for a quality HEPA vacuum cleaner to keep your home
> super clean, check out the AirStorm HEPA vacuum cleaners. They are by far
> the best on the market and they are made in the USA in CA. I used to sell
> the Nilfisk and the Miele Vacuum cleaners. After I discovered the AirStorm I
> dropped the other brands as they could not come close to comparing with the
> AirStorm HEPA Vacuum cleaners.

   I have hardwood floors but I do have oriental rugs on them. Some are
quite old and made of wool etc.

They cost more money then the cheaper Dept
> store brands, but the AirStorms are light weight for your new wife,

   WHOA! We're not that far along yet! I WISH!!!  :-)  And if any vacuuming
is to be done, it'll be me; she is quite petite, about two inches bigger
than my 8yo girl.

twice as
> powerful and they will last for years on end.

   Thanks so much for the follow up message; I appreciate someone who is
not just a hit and run spammer.
   Bob<><

> > > Hi Bob, Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com I feel that stress can
> > > indeed trigger an asthma attack in people. The HEPA air cleaners in dept
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> > > >     3. Anybody know any good websites that you have found helpful?
> > > >     Thanks for your help!
Mrs Esterhouse - 24 Sep 2004 19:07 GMT
Thanks Bob. I have all hard wood floors myself. The AirStorms 14"wide floor
nozzel does a great job on them and since the nozzle is so wide the cleaning
job goes very fast.

Best to you and your family

Barry

> > Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com  Thanks Bob! I would like to add
> > that the TRACS and Clarifier HEPA air cleaner units also have medical
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> > > > >     3. Anybody know any good websites that you have found helpful?
> > > > >     Thanks for your help!
Joan Marie Verba - 24 Sep 2004 14:24 GMT
>     1. Are attacks ever caused by stress or is it always allergens??? Cat
> hair, etc?? Paint thinner and whatnot??

For me, when I was a child, it was allergens, and irritants such as
paint thinner, yes.

>     2. What is a good air cleaner for an asthmatic that you can get at
> WalMart or someplace??? We are way out in the boonies...

Wal-Mart has the Honeywell HEPA filter. This works very well for me.

It is also important to find out what the allergens are and what
medication might be appropriate. Discuss allergy tests with the doctor
(if the allergens are not known), as well as medication options such as
Intal, Tilade, Pulmicort, Flovent, and Singulair.

Joan
Bob - 24 Sep 2004 16:42 GMT
> >     1. Are attacks ever caused by stress or is it always allergens??? Cat
> > hair, etc?? Paint thinner and whatnot??
>
> For me, when I was a child, it was allergens, and irritants such as
> paint thinner, yes.

   She is very particular and just bought a house and had it redone. I'd
imagine 50 different chemicals are floating around there now; also she lives
in a farming community and is in a cornfield.... I may tell her to turn the
heat on high, bake the house while staying away for a few days, and then air
it all out. They did that at our new high school here.

> >     2. What is a good air cleaner for an asthmatic that you can get at
> > WalMart or someplace??? We are way out in the boonies...
>
> Wal-Mart has the Honeywell HEPA filter. This works very well for me.

   Thank you so much!!! I'll have to look at that, and at the units that
guy Barry has available. His site looks quite helpful!

> It is also important to find out what the allergens are and what
> medication might be appropriate. Discuss allergy tests with the doctor
> (if the allergens are not known), as well as medication options such as
> Intal, Tilade, Pulmicort, Flovent, and Singulair.

   The child appears to be =completely= stressed out. I can see it in him;
my son had a nervous breakdown when his mother died, he was only 9....
   Bob<><
Evgenij Barsukov - 24 Sep 2004 16:31 GMT
>     Hi all,
>     My name is Bob and I'm a 44 yo widower. I've recently found someone my
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>     1. Are attacks ever caused by stress or is it always allergens??? Cat
> hair, etc?? Paint thinner and whatnot??

There is two issues here - what causes asthma itself, and what causes attack.
Causes of astma can be separated in two large groups:
- allergy induced
- chronic infection induced
First can be controlled only be reduction of triggers (and regular steroid treatment)
second can be permanently cured by long term antibiotics (widely discussed in this
group) as well as for not too old and aggravated cases (as would most likely
be the case with children) can be cured by increases in physical
activity. For example, my daugther (4 year old) have competely eliminated
asthma symptoms (already 6 month and counting) by regularly doing Strelnikova
breathing exercise , that ease easy to teach a child. Self-learning guid is here:
http://sudy_zhenja.tripod.com/strelnikova_exercises.htm

Note that breathing exerses develop habit of nasal breathing and keep
the nouse clean, which both is heplful even with allergy induced asthma
as nasal breathing reduces exposure to allergens 3 times compared
with mouth breathing. Also increase of lung volume caused by exercises
reduces severity of attacks and can make mild to medium asthma controlable
without bronchodilators (which however should still be accesible just in case).

To the second question, what causes _attack_, you listed most of important
triggers. To add to this - elevated physical activity can be a trigger
itself, that is why chosing specialy asthma-friendly exercise is important
if you decide to introduce child to more healthy and physicaly active lifestyle.

>     2. What is a good air cleaner for an asthmatic that you can get at
> WalMart or someplace??? We are way out in the boonies...
>     3. Anybody know any good websites that you have found helpful?
>     Thanks for your help!

I see this questions are already answered by others.

Regards,
Evgenij
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Bob - 24 Sep 2004 16:59 GMT
   Spaseba!

> >     Hi all,
> >     My name is Bob and I'm a 44 yo widower. I've recently found someone my
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> Regards,
> Evgenij
iamthezookeeper - 25 Sep 2004 01:18 GMT
Bob...you have received some great advice and ideas here. I hope all goes
well with your girlfriends child and the asthma is under control. As far
as your question of stress causing problems...it can aggravate the
condition. Also needed is to differentiate between asthma and panic
attacks which can feel the same to some of us. I have been sound asleep
and suddenly shot right out of bed thinking I can't breath and found it
was really what they call night panic. After proper treatment it is under
control and only happens every now and then when my life is out of whack.
There are some good, safe, medications available now to lessen the childs
fears and make his/her breathing wheeze free...let us know what you find
out! Trudy.
Bob - 25 Sep 2004 02:29 GMT
> Bob...you have received some great advice and ideas here. I hope all goes
> well with your girlfriends child and the asthma is under control. As far
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> fears and make his/her breathing wheeze free...let us know what you find
> out! Trudy.

   We had a nice long talk today, all about everything. John has only had
four or five attacks. He will be 6 next Saturday. The attacks have been at
the change of seasons (It just got cool and breezy over on the mainland
where she moved to) and now that his parents are divorced, he had one right
after seeing his father, who is a heavy smoker. I did mention to her the
facts on dust mites, frequent mopping and dusting, and excercise. He is a
very quiet boy who does not seem active at all, like my 10yo. I explained
that she probably needs to get him to exercise a bit more (we will probably
buy him a bike for his BD), clean his room quite well and get a plastic
cover for his mattress so the dust mites are curtailed somewhat. She is
interested in checking out air filters also.
   I understand the panic/emotional aspect of things. I noticed in a
website someone posted that they show the bronchi as having tiny muscles
around them that spasm. I take valium for muscle spasms so I told her he may
need some valium drops or something. Both of our families have been through
hell the last few years. I lost my mother, 58, to cancer, then my wife, 46,
also died. I had to quit work to care for the kids (then 6, 9, and 11) and
preserve my sanity. She lost her Mom and Dad to cancer, husband got on drugs
and wild women and abandoned her. She is a very well-known choreographer
here on the east coast and is determined to stay here, near the beach. She
has never held a normal job, just professional dance and choreography. She
is a professional ballerina/instructor also. She is also the most beautiful
woman I have seen in 30 years.... :-)  She used to live across the street
here on the island but moved inland in June and I met her in church then as
she was saying goodbye.
   Thanks so much to everyone for all your help!
   Bob<><
   Roanoke Island
   35*55'N 75*40'W
Alison Chaiken - 25 Sep 2004 05:01 GMT
>The attacks have been at the change of seasons

This fact strongly suggests that pollen allergies (trees, grass,
ragweed, etc.) are involved in the asthma.  I suggest you take the boy
to an allergist and get advice about whether allergy shots or
antihistamines might help.

>     I understand the panic/emotional aspect of things.

I feel that panic and emotion played little role in my childhood
attacks.  While starting to cry could make it harder for me to breathe
during an attack, emotions never triggered an attack but only made
them harder to bear.  I wasn't very old when I figured out that
bawling made it more difficult to breathe.  After 35 years, I can
still remember how during a difficult attack my father said to my
mother, "I think she's faking it."  Perhaps in another 10 years I'll
find the strength to forgive him!

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Joan Marie Verba - 25 Sep 2004 13:58 GMT
>     There has been a huge amount of stress in her family, death, divorce,
> moving, financial, you name it. I know nothing about asthma from first-hand
> experience, but it seems to me that the =kids= I've known with asthma have
> all been in a home life situation where it was very stressful.

It's important to remember, Bob, that it's possible to have stress and
asthma at the same time. But that doesn't mean that the stress is
causing the asthma. Most chronic illnesses, including asthma, can result
in stress (that is, the asthma causes the stress, instead of the other
way around).

Again, it's important to consult an allergy specialist on what allergies
(or irritants) are involved and address those situations.

Joan
 
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