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Shortstop8 - 12 Sep 2004 01:34 GMT
I was diagnosed with asthma and glaucoma 7 years ago. It seems that
the steroids (inhaled and oral - prednisone) are making the glaucoma
worse (increasing the IOP). I am currently taking Symbicort, Bricanyl,
and Singulair, and occasionally prednisone. For the past month, my
asthma has been acting up to the point that I had to go to ER. Because
of this, I had to increase my meds. I'm wondering.... are there any
meds that don't have steroids but will still help asthma?
ARoberts - 12 Sep 2004 15:36 GMT
> I was diagnosed with asthma and glaucoma 7 years ago. It seems that
> the steroids (inhaled and oral - prednisone) are making the glaucoma
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> of this, I had to increase my meds. I'm wondering.... are there any
> meds that don't have steroids but will still help asthma?

In selected cases, a newer drug, Xolair can spare the use of steroids.  It
is very expensive and requires injections.
nonerequired - 12 Sep 2004 22:53 GMT
Inhaled steroid technique should be reviewed by someone competent (not
necessarily your Dr. either-it's well documented that >60% of medical
professionals cannot demonstrate perfect inhaler technique). Some websites have
good videos and instructions. If the medicine does not get to the lungs it
doesn't work. Then you end up on oral steroids. A short course of oral steroids
puts WAY MORE into your system than inhaled, even at high doses.

You should also put some serious effort into identifying your triggers and
trying to minimize exposure to them. It' more work but it's drug free.

Symbicort (Turbuhaler® contains budesonide and formoterol fumarate) is a combo
drug and primarily targeted towards COPD. If you have a smoking history or
diagnosis of COPD none of this will be of a lot of help. Xolair will not be
helpful in that case either.

Fritz Merkel
Respiratory Care Practitioner
Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-Wa Branch

> I was diagnosed with asthma and glaucoma 7 years ago. It seems that
> the steroids (inhaled and oral - prednisone) are making the glaucoma
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> of this, I had to increase my meds. I'm wondering.... are there any
> meds that don't have steroids but will still help asthma?
Shortstop8 - 13 Sep 2004 14:36 GMT
Thanks for the info.

I am not a smoker and none of my family members are smokers.
Unfortunately, where I work, there is a smoker. It's illegal to smoke
indoors, but he does it anyway. I think that's how I got bronchitis,
which aggrevated the asthma. We have asked him to stop smoking, or at
least do it outside, and I have posted signs in the office.

I have lots of triggers. I'm allergic to dust, perfume, and pretty
much everything green (grass, flowers, trees, weeds, etc.).

Also, I noticed lately that going inside from being outdoor, I cough a
lot. The coughing stops after a few hours. I wonder if it's something
in the air. It doesn't matter where I go, as long as I have been
outside. For example, I get into my car from home, drive to work, walk
a short distance to the office, and when I'm inside, I cough. Same
thing when I go home, and when I go shopping.

Why is it so hard to bring asthma back into control when it gets out
of control?

> Inhaled steroid technique should be reviewed by someone competent (not
> necessarily your Dr. either-it's well documented that >60% of medical
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> > of this, I had to increase my meds. I'm wondering.... are there any
> > meds that don't have steroids but will still help asthma?
nonerequired - 13 Sep 2004 15:00 GMT
You might consider some legal action on the smoker if you have made a reasonable
attempt at negotiation and this is possible in your situation. This person is
injuring you in a real way. This has been long known and proved. You have to
decide if it is worth it.

Think about an irritated lung as "sprained". Now lots of irritants that were
minor become major. Suddenly everything seems bothersome just like normal
activity is painful on a sprain.

I'm not sure what would be the common factor of "inside" in such a diverse group
of environments that would be irritating. Often the air is drier. There may be a
higher concentration of synthetics from building materials. Sometimes indoor air
is more polluted that outside. What part of the country do you live in?

Fritz Merkel
Respiratory Care Practitioner
Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-Wa Branch
Shortstop8 - 13 Sep 2004 20:27 GMT
I live in Canada, near Toronto.

'Inside' to me means inside a building - whether it be my house, mall,
office - the thing is, I cough going from being outside to inside a
building.

I'm going to have to check with the City to see what options I have
regarding the smoker.

Do you know if having a 'tight' throat or neck is related to asthma?

Thanks.

> You might consider some legal action on the smoker if you have made a reasonable
> attempt at negotiation and this is possible in your situation. This person is
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> Respiratory Care Practitioner
> Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-Wa Branch
nonerequired - 13 Sep 2004 22:59 GMT
> I live in Canada, near Toronto.

Don't know the area, can't comment.

> 'Inside' to me means inside a building - whether it be my house, mall,
> office - the thing is, I cough going from being outside to inside a
> building.

If it's "any" building I suspect humidity, esp. if you are going into an A/C
building-they tend to be dry. You might try putting a scarf over your face
during the transition to see if it makes any difference. It'll hold a little
humidity and warmth in.

> I'm going to have to check with the City to see what options I have
> regarding the smoker.

Canada is probably different than the states. Again can't help. Here you
wouldn't have any problem getting it stopped.

> Do you know if having a 'tight' throat or neck is related to asthma?

Certainly can. It's one of the multiple possible "lesser" symptoms that can
indicate a problem starting.

Fritz
Joy - 13 Sep 2004 23:02 GMT
Shortstop

When I was checking out at the doctors' office one day, the nurse was
blowing her nose and coughing. She called it Environmental allergies and
just like you, she noticed it happens when she comes in from outside. I
don't know if that helps you because she didn't have any SOB, just the mucus
production. But perhaps knowing that name will help you find more
information about the condition.

Joy

> I live in Canada, near Toronto.
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> > Respiratory Care Practitioner
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Shortstop8 - 15 Sep 2004 16:02 GMT
> Shortstop
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> > > Respiratory Care Practitioner
> > > Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-Wa Branch
iamthezookeeper - 19 Sep 2004 22:30 GMT
Hi Gloria...I am new to this board though over at Sinusitis and on a
Samter's Triad Board with Yahoo. I have had chronic asthma, sinusitis,
polyps, and allergies for 23 years. In the process I have been on every
drug known and mostly come back to oral steroid bursts for a short time. I
am currently taking 40mg. Prednisone daily, 10mg. Singulair, 180mg.
Allegra, 25mg. Atarax, Zantac, Ultram, Albuterol Inhaler, Nasacrom
Inhaler, Advair Inhaler and am finally under control. All of this
medication and recent surgeries for sinus mucoceles in the past three
years have severly comprimised my immune system and the docs are trying to
fix that now. I have been to the best this country has to offer (Boston,
Cleveland, Ann Arbor, San Diego) and still they are stumped as to the
exact cause of my asthma. I had a bad sinus infection long ago and after
that started wheezing and it just never ended. Good luck with your
treatment and hang in there. Trudy.
iamthezookeeper - 19 Sep 2004 22:36 GMT
Oh...sorry...also. The going from a cold building to a warm building, warm
to cold, humid to dry, dry to humid, barometric pressure, exercise,
pollen, dust, mold, mildew, dander, food, meds, soaps, perfumes, etc...and
trigger an attack so it could be anything. Four of my siblings have
"weather related" asthma, two sons have "exercise induced" asthma.
Sometimes just a little change into your enviornment can be enough to
trigger airway reaction. Trudy.
Shortstop8 - 20 Sep 2004 18:13 GMT
Hi Trudy,

Thanks for the info - i've wondered what it is that's been triggering
me. If it's allergies or sinus problems or something really obvious
like perfume, I'd know. Other times, I'd just guess at what sounds
good.

As mentioned, I also have allergies (everything green, dust, etc.) and
sinus problems. Would like to have a head and lungs transplant. :o)
Gloria

> Oh...sorry...also. The going from a cold building to a warm building, warm
> to cold, humid to dry, dry to humid, barometric pressure, exercise,
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> Sometimes just a little change into your enviornment can be enough to
> trigger airway reaction. Trudy
 
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