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newly diagnosed - is it asthma? (long)

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MsFi - 07 Aug 2004 04:47 GMT
I went to see my new doctor yesterday to get some codeine linctus to
help with a cough. Every time I get a cold I get this really horrible,
lingering cough that causes me to cough persistently for minutes on
end and feel like I am choking. It is worse at night, and causes me to
awaken and have to sit bolt upright to cough or I feel like I am going
to stop breathing. I have had coughs and colds like this about five
times in the last couple of years with various degrees of severity
(it's been ok this week), and it usually lasts 1-3 weeks.

I am 25 and of average height and weight.

My old doctor, who I stopped seeing about a year ago, diagnosed them
as upper respiratory tract infections and sent me away with
amoxycillin and the codeine.

When I described my symptoms to my new doctor, he asked me questions
like "do you have really vivid dreams?" "how long does the cough
last?" "do you have sinusitis?" and then listened to my chest and said
that it was wheezy (when I breathe deep I feel like something's a bit
rattly in there). I've always had sinus problems and have had mucus
pretty much every day since I was about 8, and I'm a mouth breather. I
get exhausted very quickly when I go for a jog or run up stairs. He
suspected asthma and told me not to use codeine.

He then tested me with a spirometer and said that I had a 30%
improvement after the ventolin. But I've been sick this week, could
that be a false reading? Would it be the same if I had no cough at the
time I took the test?

I then took an allergy test (skin prick) and I read 2.5 times positive
for dust mites and cat hair. This I pretty much already knew, dust
mites have always caused problems for me. I'm also allergic to tree
nuts and he said that this can be very dangerous if I have asthma.
Whenever I accidentally eat part of a nut in food (about once every 2
years) my throat and tongue swell.

So he prescribed a lot of medication and my husband immediately
suspected 'over-prescriber' -

Naselex to be used with FESS at night
Flixotide 125 - 2 puffs 2 times daily
Curam Amoxycillin 125 - 2 per day for 5 days (antibiotic to clear up
my current infection)
Ventolin 100 - 2 puffs 4 times daily
Panafcortelone (Prednisolone) 25mg - 1.5 tablets before breakfast

Is this a normal starting dosage? The pharmacist had this look of
"eek" when I gave him the pile of prescriptions to fill.

I started on the full works of medication last night and I definitely
felt better this morning, still got the cough but I can breathe deeper
and my nose is clear. Still lots of mucus, but it's not getting
clogged, it's draining better.

I'm thinking why wasn't this picked up before now if it is asthma, if
the doctor said that I've probably had it for a long time. I think
partially because I've never sought treatment for the sinusitis
(except one year I had a dreadful infection and got antibiotics) and
when I was younger my mum took me to lots of quacks who got me to hold
things in my hand and they would push on my arm to see if I was
allergic to them, and lots of chakra people and stuff.

Given the symptoms I've listed, is it definitely asthma or could it be
something else? I told my friends everything and they said "there's no
way you have asthma" but they're not doctors! and they're thinking of
children's symptoms.

thanks,
Fi
SimonDS - 07 Aug 2004 18:10 GMT
you're symptoms sounded just like mine, i definately have asthma. diagnosed
properly by blood work, spirometry etc.
As for the meds....

Naselex to be used with FESS at night
Flixotide 125 - 2 puffs 2 times daily
Curam Amoxycillin 125 - 2 per day for 5 days (antibiotic to clear up
my current infection)
Ventolin 100 - 2 puffs 4 times daily
Panafcortelone (Prednisolone) 25mg - 1.5 tablets before breakfast

I assume the steroid is short term (it should be) and as for the ventolin
you only need it when short of breath, that's it's job to releive symptoms
quickly as required.
so really you will be using Flixotide and Naselex regularly and ventolin as
needed and that's it. In fact if you need to use the ventolin reguarly then
the doctor needs to change the flixotide to something else say Seretide.

> I went to see my new doctor yesterday to get some codeine linctus to
> help with a cough. Every time I get a cold I get this really horrible,
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
> thanks,
> Fi
Evgenij Barsukov - 09 Aug 2004 19:34 GMT
You will definetely feel better after taking bronchodilators,
but this is not specific to asthma. It gives better feeling
with bronchitus, pneumonia etc. It is not uncommon to develop
chronic bronchitus on the background of sinusitus. Wheezing
is the thing that will make doctor assume asthma, but definitive
conclusion can only be made using blood tests and spyrometry. I
would be suspicios of a doctor prescribing a lot of medications
without making conclusive tests. I would recommend to change your
doctor and find one that would make extensive testing.
  Meanwhile you can start to take your health in your own hands
using methods which are non-specific and beneficial to all
respriratory disorders, and will not hurt regardless to your
final diagnosis. I am refering to breathing exercises,
where Strelnikova exercise is the one I prefer because it is free
and easy to learn. My daughter had similar symtoms to yours (chronic
cough, night wheezing) and when doctos prescribed 6 month
steroids course without much testing, I decided that this is
wrong way and started her on Strelnikova exercise instead.
It is already 5 month since she is completely free of any asthma-like
(or any respiratoral, for that matter) symtoms.
You can learn this exercies by yourself in one day. All materials you
need are here: http://sudy_zhenja.tripod.com/strelnikova_exercises.htm

Regards,
Evgenij

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Michael Stults - 15 Aug 2004 04:22 GMT
> I went to see my new doctor yesterday to get some codeine linctus to
> help with a cough. Every time I get a cold I get this really horrible,
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
> thanks,
> Fi

Your symptoms sound a lot like mine.  For 10 years or so about two times per
year I would get a cold and then after it was over develop a persistent
cough.
My cough would last for weeks and sometimes months.  Being younger I never
went to the doctor but assumed it was bronchitis.  I used dextromethorphan
and
queifesen without much help and very bad side effects.  Two years ago it was
getting worse and I went to the doctor.  His diagnosis was bronchitis, rhyni
tis, and
laryngitis.  He treated with amoxycillin and an injection of steroids.  Two
weeks later
I was worse and went to another doctor.  She treated more agressively with
injections,
zithromax and prednisone.  She suspected asthma.  That year I was sick four
more
times and was treated similarly.  The doctor then started trying different
inhaled
steroids, antihistamines and nasal spray.  I had the PFT and they said it
did not show
asthma, but I really think the day I had the test was a really good day and
I felt that
I could breathe much better than usual.  I have been going to the doctor
every couple
of months because she is giving me samples trying to figure out what helps.
After
the negative PFT, I came off the steroids and went on a decongestant.  For
the last
three weeks I have been taking Singulair, Nasacort, and Zyrtec-D.  I use
Albuterol
when needed but usually don't need except when exercising.  The doctor said
she
could send me to an allergist because she feels that that is my problem.  I
have been
reading about persistent infections that are really hard to knock.  I wonder
if that
might be my problem.  I haven't had an episode since March so I'm hopeful,
but I
find that usually my problems are from November thru April.  I think I am
going to
see what happens this winter and go to the allergist if I get sick.  BTW,
for coughing
trivent hc really helps.  Also, it doesn't bother me as much as the over the
counter
medicines.  If I go the the doctor and get the injections, antibiotics, and
prednisone
I only have to take the trivent for two or three days.

Mike
Ellis - 15 Aug 2004 06:17 GMT
> I went to see my new doctor yesterday to get some codeine linctus to
> help with a cough. Every time I get a cold I get this really horrible,
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> rattly in there). I've always had sinus problems and have had mucus
> pretty much every day since I was about 8, and I'm a mouth breather.

Mouth breathing is bad; you should breathe thru your nose to filter,
warm, and humidify the air before it goes to lungs. Also mouth
breathing can cause tooth decay. If nose is blocked due to sinusitis
or rhinitis or nasal deviation, it needs to be treated
appropriately to open up.

I
> get exhausted very quickly when I go for a jog or run up stairs. He
> suspected asthma and told me not to use codeine.

Suggests exercise induced asthma.
Opiates not recommended since you could inhale the infected mucus
and get aspiration pneumonia.

> He then tested me with a spirometer and said that I had a 30%
> improvement after the ventolin. But I've been sick this week, could
> that be a false reading? Would it be the same if I had no cough at the
> time I took the test?

Asthma is a reversible disease; a 30% improvement post bronchodilator
tends to indicate asthma.

> I then took an allergy test (skin prick) and I read 2.5 times positive
> for dust mites and cat hair. This I pretty much already knew, dust
> mites have always caused problems for me. I'm also allergic to tree
> nuts and he said that this can be very dangerous if I have asthma.
> Whenever I accidentally eat part of a nut in food (about once every 2
> years) my throat and tongue swell.

This could be anaphylaxis; watch out. An antidote is Benedryl,
or for severe cases an Epi-pen [self injected epinephrine], to
tide you over til you reach the hospital.

> So he prescribed a lot of medication and my husband immediately
> suspected 'over-prescriber' -
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Is this a normal starting dosage? The pharmacist had this look of
> "eek" when I gave him the pile of prescriptions to fill.

He is covering all the bases, for an asthma exacerbation and
presumed sinus infection. Once under control the meds should
decrease.

> I started on the full works of medication last night and I definitely
> felt better this morning, still got the cough but I can breathe deeper
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Given the symptoms I've listed, is it definitely asthma or could it be
> something else?

To know for certain, you can request PFT's [pulmonary function tests]
Sometimes a methacholine challenge test is needed to verify.
However if the asthma drugs he prescribed help, that's pretty good
evidence.

I told my friends everything and they said "there's no
> way you have asthma" but they're not doctors! and they're thinking of
> children's symptoms.

Your friends are not asthma doctors.

> thanks,
> Fi
Jerry Freedman - 19 Aug 2004 20:20 GMT
> I went to see my new doctor yesterday to get some codeine linctus to
> help with a cough. Every time I get a cold I get this really horrible,
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
> thanks,
> Fi

Sounds like me. Sometime the Drs call it asthma, sometimes they call it
reactive airway disease. Its pretty much under control ( Flovent, Serevent,
Flonase, Prilosec) but accasionally it goes wild and I get to take
prednisone which really, really sucks. I am also diabetic and prednisone
messes with my blood sugar. Makes my face and lips puffy and I am a semi-pro
trumpet player. It took many, many years and many, many Drs to finally get
the diagnosis. My wife works at Lahey Clinic so I had access to top flght
pulmanary guy who finally nailed it.
 
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