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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Asthma / July 2004Tea in nebulizer?
Does anyone have any experience with tea (unsweet) diluted about 1:10 with plain water in the nebulizer chamber of a pulminator? I have tried it once and it seemed to do OK. I also tried a single drop of lemon juice in water and that seemed OK too. Is there anything wrong with doing this? Thanks, FACE Tea has a component which is called Theophyline, you can find this substance in some drugs for Asthma like Zaditen. Nebulized water in itself can be used as an expectorant, moisturizing and helping to cough out the plugged mucous. > Does anyone have any experience with tea (unsweet) diluted about 1:10 with > plain water in the nebulizer chamber of a pulminator? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > FACE >Tea has a component which is called Theophyline, you can find this substance >in some drugs for Asthma like Zaditen. Nebulized water in itself can be >used as an expectorant, moisturizing and helping to cough out the plugged >mucous. Thank you. I rather expected the first response to be an "oh, horror' type but thankfully it was not. I am considering that this tea nebulization is straight into the lungs and am being as antiseptic as possible with the ingredients and usage. FACE >> Does anyone have any experience with tea (unsweet) diluted about 1:10 with >> plain water in the nebulizer chamber of a pulminator? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> FACE Tea freshly brewed (and allowed to cool) should be sterile. And if covered and put in the refrigerator it should remain reasonably pure for a day or two at least. >Tea freshly brewed (and allowed to cool) should be sterile. And if >covered and put in the refrigerator it should remain reasonably pure for >a day or two at least. Thanks, Jack. That is something to keep in mind. -- FACE OK, so far it seems harmless but WHY tea? And why a drop of lemon? Neither would seem to have any real benefit via nebulizer except for possibly the humidity. At the level of dilution you are using I'd think you would get more benefit and less irritation from normal saline. Or does it make you cough and you are after that? Fritz Merkel; Respiratory Care Practitioner Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-WA Branch >fmerk writes: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >and >less irritation from normal saline. There is nothing sterile about ordinary brewed tea, and tea being no different a medium from pond water it will easily support the breeding of organisms... such a solution, especially absent the saline component, will in most likelyhood cause a life threatening infectious condition. Even nebulizing plain tap water is taboo, even if boiled (boiling does not kill all organisms - temperature is too low - to properly sterilze water must be boiled under pressure - autoclaved - and then protected from the atmosphere). ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` >> fmerk writes: >> >> OK, so far it seems harmless but WHY tea? And why a drop of lemon? >> Neither would >> seem to have any real benefit via nebulizer except for possibly the >> humidity. >> >> At the level of dilution you are using I'd think you would get more >> benefit and >> less irritation from normal saline. > > There is nothing sterile about ordinary brewed tea, and tea being no > different a medium from pond water it will easily support the > breeding of organisms... such a solution, especially absent the > saline component, will in most likelyhood cause a life threatening > infectious condition. Even nebulizing plain tap water is taboo, even > if boiled (boiling does not kill all organisms - temperature is too > low - to properly sterilze water must be boiled under pressure - > autoclaved - and then protected from the atmosphere). I actually agree with Sheldon - mostly. Boiling is not a good way to sterilize things to medical standards. However, the normal neb treatments aren't sterile either. The solution that comes in the closed container is but the holding chamber and tubing is not. So I really don't know what to say on the sterility issue. I would be more concerned with the lack of knowledge about the effects of nebulizing it and inhaling it. There is no data that I know of regarding topical applicarion of methylxanthines (like theophylline and caffeine) although I would be shocked and amazed to learn no drug company had ever tried it. This alone would make me think it is not likely to do good. I would most worry about increasing inflammation and other irritant effects from inhaling such a mixed bag of chemicals.  SignatureCBI, MD Can I get your response to my "started on spiriva" post? > Can I get your response to my "started on spiriva" post? If I recall correctly, you asked for people's experiences with the drug. I do not yet have any direct experience with it. SignatureCBI, MD can I get your response to my "started on spiriva" post please? >OK, so far it seems harmless but WHY tea? And why a drop of lemon? Neither would >seem to have any real benefit via nebulizer except for possibly the humidity. Both have seemed beneficial. Possibly psychological? But in any event beneficial. However, the fact is I am searching for an alternative to albuterol sulfate. Why? Because my wife seems to be experiencing side effects from albuterol. Why? Because she seems to be becoming too dependent on albuterol in a detrimental way. For myself, I am no stranger to 'suffocating in place'. I have found that in some instances it needs to be 'better living through chemistry'. AND.....i have found that in some cases i can get through, without more than a temporary discomfort, many episodes of breathlessness. I have been though prednisone regimens, biaxin, advair, various others. When it comes to steroids (and i understand albuterol is not a steroid) I want to stay away as long as *reasonably* possible -- which means until the benefits outweigh the side effects. Now that is a long answer to a short question. <G> FACE >At the level of dilution you are using I'd think you would get more benefit and >less irritation from normal saline. Or does it make you cough and you are after >that? > >Fritz Merkel; Respiratory Care Practitioner >Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-WA Branch > When it comes to steroids (and i understand > albuterol is not a steroid) I want to stay away as long as > *reasonably* possible -- which means until the benefits outweigh the > side effects. I would say that at conventional doses the benefits of inhaled steroids are well established to outweigh the side effects - especially for someone who is "becomming dependant" on albuterol. However, given the total lack of knowledge about inhaling tea I don't see how you could be pretending to be engaging any, even a crude, approximation at a risk to benefit analysis. SignatureCBI, MD > Both have seemed beneficial. Possibly psychological? But in any event > beneficial. Possibly-most likely just the "ritual" of the nebulizer and the slow deep breathing to relax. The moisture may be of some benefit. I doubt there is any beneficial "stuff" in tea. (BTW-Sheldon if pretty much full of it. Air is not sterile. Maybe he should give up breathing) > However, the fact is I am searching for an alternative to albuterol sulfate. > Why? Because my wife seems to be experiencing side effects from albuterol. > Why? Because she seems to be becoming too dependent on albuterol in a > detrimental way. So, you are both asthmatics, or COPD? If she is "becoming too dependent" on albuterol that generally means to clean up the triggers and utilize a proper dose of steroids if asthmatic, or too bad if she has COPD. Medication has some support for COPD but the condition, unlike asthma, is not reversible. > For myself, I am no stranger to 'suffocating in place'. I have found that > in some instances it needs to be 'better living through chemistry'. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > as long as *reasonably* possible -- which means until the benefits outweigh > the side effects. A common mistake is to avoid inhaled steroids in a vain attempt to not utilize steroids at all, get sick, and end up on an oral dose. Almost no one refuses the oral steroids when they think they are going to suffocate. One short course of oral steroids puts more in your body than MONTHS of inhaled steroids. Properly used with a spacer, oral rinse-and-spit, and dosed correctly there is minimal side effects associated with inhaled steroids. This, again, is for asthma. There is less value for COPD. Fritz Merkel; Respiratory Care Practitioner Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-WA Branch Can I get your response to my "started on spiriva" post? >> Both have seemed beneficial. Possibly psychological? But in any event >> beneficial. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >Fritz Merkel; Respiratory Care Practitioner >Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-WA Branch We both have breathing problems. Hers are worse than mine. She has always been asthmatic but it has become acute in the last 2 years. COPD figures in too, so this is not a short term thing. I appreciate your response. FACE > (BTW-Sheldon if pretty much full of it. Air is not sterile. Maybe he should give > up breathing) Sort of - you don't see a lot airborn bacteria and viruses except in the aerosils produced by coughing people. I agree with the rest of the post. SignatureCBI, MD > > However, the fact is I am searching for an alternative to albuterol sulfate. > > Why? Because my wife seems to be experiencing side effects from albuterol. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Fritz Merkel; Respiratory Care Practitioner > Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-WA Branch considering the stains in my teapot i would think inhaling tea onto delicate lung tissues would be a VERY bad idea > > (BTW-Sheldon if pretty much full of it. Air is not > sterile. Maybe he should give [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Fritz Merkel; Respiratory Care Practitioner > > Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America-WA Branch |
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