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Asthma misdiagnosed as angina?

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D Flat Newbie - 12 Jun 2004 21:03 GMT
I wonder if anyone can offer an opinion on this.

I am an asthmatic, and when I was diagnosed as a child, the specialist
(who did allergy tests on me) also did some tests on my mother, who
showed no signs of asthma, but the tests came up positive.  He
suggested that my mother might get asthma late in life.

Over the last four years (since she was 70) she has been experiencing
shortness of breath and tightness of her chest when climbing hills
etc, and walking short distances after lunch.  She has undergone
various tests at the local heart hospital, and told that she suffered
from angina and was given a GTN (?) spray that you spray under your
tongue if you get the pains.  Last year she was sent to the heart
hospital for an angiogram, with the doctor quite concerned that she
might have to have a heart by-pass operation done.  However, the
angiogram and other tests showed up nothing unusual, and no narrowing
of the arteries.

This year she went back to the heart hospital for a further check-up,
and the tests were so good that the doctor said he didn't need to see
her for another two years.  However, then she explained to him what
has happened in the last year.  Unfortunately in the last year, my
mother developed the painful condition Polymyalgia Rheumatica  (PMR),
and then subsequently the rather more dangerous condition Temporal
Arteritis (which can cause loss of sight).  She was immediately placed
on a high dose of internal steroids (Prednisone) at 60 mg per day.
This has controlled the PMR and Temporal Arteritis, but also since
taking the steroids, the breathlessness and pains in the chest have
completely disappeared.  She can now walk up hills without difficulty,
run up and down stairs, and so forth.  When she told the heart
specialist this, he looked absolutely shocked & my mother believes
that she has been mis-diagnosed (the specialist was always puzzled
that the tests showed her heart to be in good shape).

I am wondering if it might be the case that she has been suffering
from a form of asthma all the time.  However, she has never exhibited
the common symptoms of asthma, such as wheezing (my asthma takes the
form of wheezing), or coughing.

The questions I have are:

Can you have asthma just as tightness of the chest and pains without
wheezing or coughing?

Is it likely that such a form of asthma could have been
treated/controlled by a large dose of oral steroids (Prednisone)?

She is concerned that when the steroid dose comes down again (it is
gradually reduced for the Temporal Arteritis), that the breathlessness
will come back.  When she was on a smaller dose (15mg) for the PMR, it
had no effect on the breathing, only the very large doses (she is
currently on about 40mg, reduced from 60).  What might be an
appropriate replacement?  I used Becotide inhaler, which is a very low
dose, but I guess it is delivered to the right spot.

Any comments people might have would be most welcome.

Iain.
Blues Ma - 12 Jun 2004 22:21 GMT
> I wonder if anyone can offer an opinion on this.
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> Can you have asthma just as tightness of the chest and pains without
> wheezing or coughing?

I have had for many years.

> Is it likely that such a form of asthma could have been
> treated/controlled by a large dose of oral steroids (Prednisone)?

No doubt.
During treatment with systemic cortisone for an inflamed joint, my
breathing was better than it had been in a decade.

People are misdiagnosed every day.?? It's mostly guesswork at our expense.

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D Flat Newbie - 13 Jun 2004 14:53 GMT
> > The questions I have are:
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> People are misdiagnosed every day.   It's mostly guesswork at our expense.

Thanks for your input.  I think I can be more certain now that it is
asthma that my mother is suffering from.  This may not sound like good
news, but it certainly sounds like good news that there's nothing
wrong with her heart.

Does anyone else have any experiences to corroborate this?

Iain.
SimonDS - 13 Jun 2004 23:38 GMT
did the GTN spray work?
angina pains are often as you describe, tight chest, breathless plus often
chest pains radiating into the jaw and left shoulder with changes on ECG
monitoring.
The fact that she has improved on prednisolone seems to indicate Asthma or
COPD.
she should ask the DR for a vitalograph to test her lung function and
exercise stress test for the heart.

Simon

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> Iain.
D Flat Newbie - 14 Jun 2004 07:26 GMT
> did the GTN spray work?

In fact my mother complained that it DIDN'T work very well.  There was
some superficial relieving effect, but it didn't last as long as the
GTN spray is supposed to work.

> angina pains are often as you describe, tight chest, breathless plus often
> chest pains radiating into the jaw and left shoulder with changes on ECG
> monitoring.
> The fact that she has improved on prednisolone seems to indicate Asthma or
> COPD.

What is COPD?

> she should ask the DR for a vitalograph to test her lung function and
> exercise stress test for the heart.

When going for the heart tests initially, she was required to go on a
treadmill to stress test the heart, but was unable to do so because of
the breathlessness.  However, nowadays she says that she can run
upstairs without problems and is confident that she could go on the
treadmill if required.  All the heart tests she has had (echo-sound
and angiogram) seem to indicate she's in good health in that
department.

Thanks for your input.
Iain.
SimonDS - 14 Jun 2004 14:11 GMT
Chronic Obstructive Airways Disease is often confused with Asthma but the
two are fundamentally different as COPD.
It sounds as though your mother has a respiritory problem not a cardiac and
as the steroids are giving her a benficial effect it 'sounds' like asthma.
The GTN enlarges the coronary arteries and increase blood flow and so oxygen
delivery but only for a short time.

Simon

> > did the GTN spray work?
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> Thanks for your input.
> Iain.
CBI - 14 Jun 2004 17:54 GMT
> The questions I have are:
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> Can you have asthma just as tightness of the chest and pains without
> wheezing or coughing?

Yes - absolutely.

> Is it likely that such a form of asthma could have been
> treated/controlled by a large dose of oral steroids (Prednisone)?

Yes - That is what I would have expected to happen if she did have
asthma.

> She is concerned that when the steroid dose comes down again (it is
> gradually reduced for the Temporal Arteritis), that the breathlessness
> will come back.  

That is a valid concern and probably will happen unless she takes
steps to avoid it. She should see someone specifically for her
(presumed) asthma and start getting it managed before the prednisone
dose comes down.

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D Flat Newbie - 15 Jun 2004 21:35 GMT
Many thanks for this and all the other contributions.  It certainly
seems to confirm my suspicion that my mother is suffering from asthma,
rather than a heart condition.

Iain.

> > The questions I have are:
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> (presumed) asthma and start getting it managed before the prednisone
> dose comes down.
 
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