Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Asthma / March 2004
Exercise Induced Asthma
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mmv - 22 Mar 2004 01:36 GMT Does anybody have any information on how this type of asthma is experienced and what might be done about it. I think I have a bad case of it. I've had asthma since my childhood. It was always more or less under control, and I could even do sports. But since the last 5 years I have started to suffer from cramps and spasms in my lungs when I do sports, e.g. running. The cramps really make breathing very difficult and painful. It is not like a normal asthma attack or anything, it is pure pain in the lung area. Unfortunately there is not much infromation about this available, especially not on the form I experience
Meghan Noecker - 22 Mar 2004 09:14 GMT >Does anybody have any information on how this type of asthma is experienced >and what might be done about it. I think I have a bad case of it. I've had [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >anything, it is pure pain in the lung area. Unfortunately there is not much >infromation about this available, especially not on the form I experience Yours sound a bit different than what I experience, but I usually avoid them, so I don't experience them very often.
I only have exercise induced attacks for two reasons - trying to exercise too hard for my conditioning level, or when I am already experiencing other risk factors.
So, for exercising too hard, this is when I try to do too much, and my heart rate jumps out of control, and my breathing follows. I get exhausted immediately, and I gasp for breath. Not an attack that requires medication, but I must stop and rest. I used to fail in exercise programs until I learned to go at a slower pace and back off when I felt the heart and breathing rates speed up too quickly. Part of my problem is that my throat is smaller than typical, so my peak flow on a good day is lower than most people's normal. So, my lungs have to work harder to produce the same level of oxygen.
Now, the other kind, caused by a mixture of factors *does* require medication. This usually means bad allergies at the time, or hot humid air, or very cold dry air. Any two of these factors will produce an asthma attack. So, I can be sleeping in a hot humid night with high pollen and wake up with a full attack.
Or I can walk to work on a cold dry day at my normal walking pace and have a full attack. Technically, it is considered exercise induced since I don't get the attacks simply standing out in the cold. But the constriction by the cold, *and* the increased need for oxygen (because of the walking) can bring on an attack.
On cold days, I wear a scarf. It keeps the air moist, and prevents it from being cold dry air. If I am having allergy problems, I tend to walk a little slower if I am "aware" of my breathing. (That means I am entering my personal risk zone). If it is hot and humid, I do not exercise outside, only inside with a fan, cold drinks, and an easy way to control the situation. While I love rollerblading, I will not do it if it is humid, or my allergies are acting up.
By avoiding the combinations, I can avoid attacks, and I have been to go many months at a time without an attack.
I'm not sure about your cramps and spasms. It sounds like you are physcially more active and pushing yourself harder. It could be the same gaspy feel I have when I can't breath. But it might be something different.
Have you been to a doctor recently? It could be that something has gotten worse. Does an inhaler help when this starts up?
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Richard Friedel - 25 Mar 2004 11:01 GMT > >Does anybody have any information on how this type of asthma is experienced > >and what might be done about it. I think I have a bad case of it. I've had [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >anything, it is pure pain in the lung area. Unfortunately there is not much > >infromation about this available, especially not on the form I experience To Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com"
Well, since you are paying such attention to body sensation, you might be interested in my asthma philosophy. It is on the basis that asthma is a definite phenomenon, which may be secondary to some basic disease that weakens the chest. O r it may occur without any apparent predisposing cause. Asthma may be considered as similar to lower back pain, in the case of which somebody someday may find a disease condition at a molecular or biochemical level, but for which muscle training in a fitness studio is, at least in Germany, accepted as a sound remedy. In other words, the standard approach checking through all details of the nerves etc. and concentrations of substances and concentration ratios, though appearing logical, may be like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack. This may also apply for asthma. As Carl Sagan told us, it is as well to spin an alternative hypothesis.
Many sources point to the diaphragm playing an important role in asthma and in breathing. Oriental techniques attach great importance to its descending to an imaginary point (tanden or hara in Japan, tantien in China) an inch or so below the navel. With martial arts this notion has been accepted in the West. Western medicine is however based on what a doctor can measure scientifically with instruments.
My philosophy is minimum reliance on examination with instruments and maximum reliance on direct body sensations and the development of breathing techniques to get a kick out of them.
The work of Dr. Erik Peper in California (see http://www.i-breathe.com/thb12/Incentiv.htm) proclaims asthma to be
1) firstly a spasm of the bronchi which can be overcome not only by drugs as almost everybody learns at school these days, but also by breathing and relaxation techniques, and
2) a lack of normal diaphragm activity, which would overcome the spasm.
By concentrating on relaxing the bronchi, maybe by combining a yawning effort with an inhale and simultaneously causing the abdomen to balloon out a person can with patience get to the stage that he is actually breathing by such a ballooning effect. A true breathing sensation takes time to develop. See Peper's figure 1: the less the strain in the upper chest, corresponding to spasm, the greater the volume breathed in. See also figure 5 on "Learning inhalation volume awareness". One trick to get a diaphragm sensation is to inhale though the mouth with a finger placed between the lips to provide a graded resistance. Another is to wrap a length of Theraband around the abdomen to get an abdomen rather than a chest awareness for breathing.
With time I found that the downward movement of the diaphragm in the course of time gives rise to a sort of kick like in pelvic floor or kegel training. The airways are relaxed and there is a kick like with a shot of reliever spray, but hopefully without any addictive effect.
As an advanced exercise there is bhastrika (a part of yoga) as one form of the breath of fire. One breathes as quickly and as energetically as possible through the nose concentrating on diaphragm action for around half a minute, while being careful not to start a phase of hyperventilation. This is similar to huffing as recommended in orthodox asthma and bronchitis treatment but is much more intensive, and is considered one of main yoga tactics for asthma. Another approach to strengthen the diaphragm is "laughing yoga" of Dr. Madan Kataria.
I've tried to stick to safe techniques which have some backing and they seem to work with me excellently. I'm pleading for is more caution about accepting treatments based on biochemical intricacies. It seems likely that the body of a healthy person adjusts itself to deal with abnormal airway constriction. This mechanism should be identified. Regards, Richard Friedel
Meghan Noecker - 26 Mar 2004 12:22 GMT >I've tried to stick to safe techniques which have some backing and >they seem to work with me excellently. I'm pleading for is more >caution about accepting treatments based on biochemical intricacies. >It seems likely that the body of a healthy person adjusts itself to >deal with abnormal airway constriction. This mechanism should be >identified. Regards, Richard Friedel I'll have to look into it more, but I'm not sure if would help me. My asthma is caussed by a combination of allergies and small airway. I didn't have any asthma problems until I was 19 and went to Mexico for 3 weeks to visit a friend.
I had major allergies there and awoke the next day unable to breathe. They gave me an inhaler there, but when I got home, I went to a doctor here for the official diagnosis. They determined that my throat is 30% smaller than typical for my body size. This makes sense to me as I have always had trouble swalloing pills - they hit the back of my throat and I cough them up.
As long as I don't put together the combinations of exercise/cold-dry or hot-humid/allergies, then I am fine. I can go months without an asthma attack, and I have not had a true, out of control breathing attack on over 5 years, maybe 6 or 7, it has been so long. I have only felt the need to use my inhaler this past December after a bad cold that got into my lungs. And I had to get a new doctor as my old one had moved away at least 5 years earlier, and I had no current presciption.
I don't think there is anything I can do about my small throat, so I just avoid the factors which cause the problems. My allergies are mostly controlled now, and the air temp/quality thing isn't a big issue in the Seattle area. It rarely gets that bad in either direction. And it just means I can't run or go rollerblading. I can still walk and do normal stuff in it.
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Richard Friedel - 27 Mar 2004 11:32 GMT > >I've tried to stick to safe techniques which have some backing and > >they seem to work with me excellently. I'm pleading for is more [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Equine and Pet Photography > http://www.zoocrewphoto.com Yes your unalterable constriction due to the permanently undersized throat (medical term?) might be a bar to rollerblading or other comparable exertion.
Remember however that some people (see John Douillard's popular book "Body, Mind and Sport") extol the virtues of being able to run with the mouth closed. This takes some time to get used to and since it does not seem to be just a question having a large enough pipe but also of reflexes (which are not considered) the whole idea might be unhealthy. I guess breathing through the mouth for exertion acts by a reflex See discussions on running newsgroups, where breathing thru the nose is of interest owing to air pollution.
In some pre-Columbian American civilizations, reputed for their sadism, youths were trained to run with their mouths full of water, which they had to keep in as a proof that they did not cheat by mouth breathing.
On the more general point of breathing exercises for asthma, judging from my experiments on myself, tests on recommended methods, theories, copious Internet mining etc. etc it does seem that there are two aspects of being short breath (SOB).
1 The peakflow reading relied on by a doc which does not distinguish between bronchitis or any cold on the chest and asthma on the other hand. 2 The asthmatic type, which is so crippling and drives people into fits of hyperventilation and to medication (see recent research done by Andrew Binks).
My experience is that, for folks without high blood pressure problems and stable asthma at least, some yoga exercises such as breath of fire (bellows breathing) with a concentration on getting the diaphragm to go as low as possible lead (at least with time) to a ummy and vitalizing feeling. There may be no change detectable with spirometry, but the SOB is turned off.
Even if your small throat is be a limiting factor unable to be changed in any way, breathing slowly (pursed lips breathing, see also http://www.ohiou.edu/isarp/conf_00/papr_19.htm) during an inhale is a valuable tactic to stave off an attack. Regards, Richard Friedel
Meghan Noecker - 28 Mar 2004 08:48 GMT >Yes your unalterable constriction due to the permanently undersized >throat (medical term?) might be a bar to rollerblading or other >comparable exertion. Actually, I can rollerblade most of the time without any problem. I just can't do it if the air is really cold and dry or really warm and humid. Not much of a problem in the Seattle area.
If I know my system is already down (recent asthma attack or something), then I won't go or will only do a little bit. But most of the time, it isn't a problem. I don't know why, but rollerblading is like walking to me, something I can do easily for a fairly decent distance without any problems. I can even race for a quarter mile or so at my fastest speed before slowing down. I feel good, and I love to do it.
>Even if your small throat is be a limiting factor unable to be changed >in any way, breathing slowly (pursed lips breathing, see also >http://www.ohiou.edu/isarp/conf_00/papr_19.htm) during an inhale is a >valuable tactic to stave off an attack. Regards, Richard Friedel Hmm. I do the pursed mouth breathing during exhaling when I feel my breathing is labored. I have never tried it for inhaling.
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Richard Friedel - 30 Mar 2004 06:44 GMT > Hmm. I do the pursed mouth breathing during exhaling when I feel my > breathing is labored. I have never tried it for inhaling. Sorry about my mistake. Hope no one was misled. RIchard Friedel
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