CBI MD. wrote, cautiously, in thread " Infectious asthma FAQ"
"The "conventional" meds have been proved to work, prevent long term
lung damage, and are safe when used in "normal" doses."
There is good evidence to show that the keystone of asthma is
bronchial spasm. According to the pharma industry this should be
overcome with meds as an authentic, though not yet perfected, option
with breathing techniques allegedly (i. e. as a factoid) having to be
considered as alternative and lacking any solid scientific basis.
However a little thought must show that CBI's position is
unfalsifiable and does not mean that conventional meds are not the
cause of asthma. He and almost all other MD's is just proclaiming the
primacy of medication as a sort of state religion - for ever? - in a
field where it would seem possibly to have reached a dead end and an
ad absurdum situation.
Because conventional medicine does not know anything at all about
kundalini (a simple breathing technique to make any person psychotic
if he is stupid enough to give it a serious try), it is out of its
depths on asthma as well. Asthma can be considered as a functional
disorder like kundalini The opposite view (asthma as an infectious
disease) is spurious and unhelpful. Asthma as a physiological glitch
may of course be provoked by infectious diseases. When they are cured
the asthma may heal itself, particularly if asthma meds are (very
cautiously!) discontinued.
Because medicine has to leave no stone unturned as a moral duty, the
medication primacy position (a factoid?) should be avoided in at least
some of the ongoing research.
As a new physical therapy approach, the "laughing yoga" of Dr. med.
Madan Kataria is held to be beneficial, inter alia, for asthma and
bronchitis just like bhastrika yoga. See the Web, as worthy of
consideration.
In short: medication should not be ideological with an evil snowball
effect or as an inevitably self-fulfilling prophecy running counter to
Carl Sagan's timely warning about the need to spin a alternative
theory. Respectfully submitted, Richard Friedel
> CBI MD. wrote, cautiously, in thread " Infectious asthma FAQ"
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> There is good evidence to show that the keystone of asthma is
> bronchial spasm.
Actually, spasm is the most notable casue of symptoms. The
keystone is inflammation.
> According to the pharma industry this should be
> overcome with meds as an authentic, though not yet perfected, option
Pharma industry - sure. The medical establishment much
prefers trigger avoidance.
> with breathing techniques allegedly (i. e. as a factoid) having to be
> considered as alternative and lacking any solid scientific basis.
I wouldn;t say "any." I would say not having much backing.
> Because conventional medicine does not know anything at all about
> kundalini (a simple breathing technique to make any person psychotic
> if he is stupid enough to give it a serious try), it is out of its
> depths on asthma as well.
Right - you claim that Kundalini is a bad idea and also that
medics are ignorant for not embracing it. This makes sense
to you?
> Asthma can be considered as a functional
> disorder like kundalini
I guess wee will need to get your definition of
"functional". To doctors it usually means pschological but I
don't think this is what you mean.
> The opposite view (asthma as an infectious
> disease) is spurious and unhelpful.
I'll let you argue that statement. I'm not convinced it is
completely true.
> Asthma as a physiological glitch
> may of course be provoked by infectious diseases. When they are cured
> the asthma may heal itself, particularly if asthma meds are (very
> cautiously!) discontinued.
I'll let you reconcile the last two statements.
> Because medicine has to leave no stone unturned as a moral duty, the
> medication primacy position (a factoid?) should be avoided in at least
> some of the ongoing research.
Well there are competing obligations. medicine should seek
the complete truth but it also has an abligation to make due
with the information that is currently available and that
means often making guesses based on imperfect facts. It also
means using prudence and being careful about what
conclusions you jump to.
> In short: medication should not be ideological with an evil snowball
> effect or as an inevitably self-fulfilling prophecy running counter to
> Carl Sagan's timely warning about the need to spin a alternative
> theory. Respectfully submitted, Richard Friedel
Neither should the alternative theories.
The recurring theme that runs though all of these
discussions about But*, Peper, chlamydia, etc is that there
is a certain level of proof that is expected before
experience people will accept a new theory. Experience
teaches those who follow these things that often the results
of early small studies are not borne out when they are
repolicated or broadened to wider populations. The
proponents of these theories, complaining that their few
studies are not being recognized, suugest that too much
intertia is at play. History does not support this notion.

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Richard Friedel - 25 Feb 2004 08:21 GMT
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Maybe you are claiming that there is an inevitable wisdom and promise
of steady progress in medicine. Anyway, there are the accepted views
of Thomas Kuhn on scientific revolutions spurred by anomalous
situations arising where the facts are failing to fit the theory..
The public and many doctors seem to believe in medical knowledge as
being something like filling the details of a map as more and more
territory was discovered and very little having to be scrapped to make
a fresh start.
A fundamental anomaly in asthma theory would seem to be pointed out by
Andrew Binks et al.:
"Tightness" sensation of asthma does not arise from the work of
breathing.
Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 2002 Jan 1;165(1):78-82.
Some peopled may be impressed by the enormous output of studies on
asthma and asthma drugs and think of homing in on a known target in
small steps.
This is typically suggested by Bob's reference by Mark T. O'Hollaren,
MD
"We know that asthma is a chronic inflammatory disease of the airways,
and exposure to allergens, irritants, infections, and stress can
induce this inflammation. There is a known association between stress
and asthma; in fact, asthma used to be known as "asthma nervosa
(sic)."
See also the pious outpourings in "The perilous path of biotech
drugs" also posted here. We are getting nowhere so fast. Think of
the gullible America stuff a century ago used by Adams to get public
opinion in favor of an FDA.
However if nobody in western medicine can explain what SOB as the key
and differential symptom in asthma is and how it can be measured with
an instrument, then the treatment is bad science and a good doc should
admit this, while still recommending a patient not to be wildly
adventurous.
If SOB (being short of breath, the chief concern of a patient) cannot
be measured and just left as a subjective factor, then it would seem
obvious to take a look at Indian and Chinese/Japanese breath therapy
as a more honest approach which is based on subjective feelings such
as prana and chi (ki) and try to make sense of the seemingly weird
ravings of their advocates. See, typically a statement in one book
"The tanden is the shrine of the godhead", the tanden being a mystical
point a little below the navel to which the diaphragm is felt to
descend on an inhale. So breathing is resolved as a sort of
self-stimulation and sort of like a teenage growing up. Initially
strange feelings in the body have to be approached sensitively and
integrated in the process of personal development and not suppressed.
Prudishness would be quite wrong. So, theoretically least, a patient
should examine the strange feeling of SOB and try to find a routine
like diaphragmatic breathing which can be slowly learned and gradually
(my experience) makes taking a deep breath more and more vitalizing.
You feel you have had an operation to implant some magical oxygen pump
into your abdomen. Then a powerful breath makes sense, especially
during effort, like visualizing a sailor pulling on a rope and saying
"heave ho". Each "heave" (inhaling) stimulates the diaphragm in a
slightly unchaste way. You sort of inject "prana" (oxygen for
westerners) into your body each time.
Since asthma is supposed by western medicine to be incurable, how
about trying out bhastrika (a sort of fire breathing) recommended by
yogis as a method for asthma or learning diaphragmatic breathing from
a competent martial arts instructor? The possibility of these methods
causing hyperventilation should be borne in mind but it is easy to
avoid. Respectfully, Richard Friedel