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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Asthma / June 2004HEPA Filter or Ionic
Hello, I hope am writing to the right group. My husband and kid suffer from frequent allergy attacks. I would like to purchase a home air cleaning system. What is the difference between HEPA and Ionic? Which one would you recommend for us and brand? Thank you in advance Ronnie >Hello, I hope am writing to the right group. > >My husband and kid suffer from frequent allergy attacks. I would like >to purchase a home air cleaning system. >What is the difference between HEPA and Ionic? Which one would you >recommend for us and brand? Basically a HEPA air filter meets the military specification for air cleaning. This filter will clean 99.97% of airborne particulate matter down to 0.5 microns in size. This is the 'gold standard' in air cleaning. Another advantage of HEPA filters is that the allergens are trapped in the filter matrix. Unless you want to spend lots of $$$ on a good high quality electrostatic filter - stay with a HEPA system. -- "It's not American foreign policy, or the plight of the Palestinians, or America's longstanding support for Israel. A group of people with money and weaponry have simply decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and want, eventally, to exterminate us." 'Christian Century' magazine >Colin Campbell stuns us with his acute lack or reading comprehension: <(ronniegsd) wrote about her single digit IQ: >>My husband and kid suffer from frequent allergy attacks. I would like >>to purchase a home air cleaning system. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Unless you want to spend lots of $$$ on a good high quality >electrostatic filter - stay with a HEPA system. But, but, Colin... what if the OP's family is allergic to chawklit? Duh! Colin, you're like a friggin' broken record, stuck in the low IQ groove. ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon ```````````` "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." (ronniegsd) flaunts her IQ: >My husband and kid suffer from frequent allergy attacks. I would like >to purchase a home air cleaning system. >What is the difference between HEPA and Ionic? Which one would you >recommend for us and brand? Neither is recommended until you discover to what exactly, if anything, your family members are allergic. Have they been allergy tested - duh - I mean if they're allergic to say strawberries, dairy products, peanuts, etc., then treating the air would make as much sense as your raising your IQ with frequent applications of Preparation H. ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon ```````````` "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." > duh - I mean if >they're allergic to say strawberries, dairy products, peanuts, etc., then >treating the air would make as much sense as your raising your IQ with frequent >applications of Preparation H. ...which simply makes it another means to an end... Sorry for not specifing, Allergic to the regular/common culprits: dust, pollen > > duh - I mean if > >they're allergic to say strawberries, dairy products, peanuts, etc., then > >treating the air would make as much sense as your raising your IQ with frequent > >applications of Preparation H. > > ...which simply makes it another means to an end... I think we understood that from the beginning or else you wouldn't be asking us about air filters right Penmart. Before you talk about someone elses IQ you better check your own ( Penmart) . Having said that, I will agree with what Colin said, and it may be a first. Get the Hepa filter and get one with a good rating. The higher the number the more effective the filter. > Sorry for not specifing, Allergic to the regular/common culprits: dust, pollen > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > ...which simply makes it another means to an end... > > duh - I mean if > >they're allergic to say strawberries, dairy products, peanuts, etc., then > >treating the air would make as much sense as your raising your IQ with frequent > >applications of Preparation H. > > ...which simply makes it another means to an end... and gives new meaning to "seeing a shrink..." >> > duh - I mean if >> >they're allergic to say strawberries, dairy products, peanuts, etc., then [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >and gives new meaning to "seeing a shrink..." Can you say hemmi? Hemmy! > >> > duh - I mean if > >> >they're allergic to say strawberries, dairy products, peanuts, etc., then [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Can you say hemmi? Hemmy! With four on the floor? >> >> > duh - I mean if >> >> >they're allergic to say strawberries, dairy products, peanuts, etc., [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >With four on the floor? Varicose, were it not for tuck and roll and a reduction in the axial thrust load... We have the Ionic Breeze and it is carries the seal the the Asthmatic Assoc. It is wonderful and picks up all kinds of allergens. We have felt ever so much better since the purchase of this great cleaner. > Hello, I hope am writing to the right group. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thank you in advance > Ronnie >We have the Ionic Breeze and it is carries the seal the the Asthmatic >Assoc. It is wonderful and picks up all kinds of allergens. >We have felt ever so much better since the purchase of this great cleaner. I recommend that you turn off the machine and take it back. The device is an ozone generator. Ozone is harmful to asthmatics in concentrations that are as low as can be measured with current technology. -- "It's not American foreign policy, or the plight of the Palestinians, or America's longstanding support for Israel. A group of people with money and weaponry have simply decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and want, eventally, to exterminate us." 'Christian Century' magazine Not according to my allergist nor the allergy association. >>We have the Ionic Breeze and it is carries the seal the the Asthmatic >>Assoc. It is wonderful and picks up all kinds of allergens. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > want, eventally, to exterminate us." > 'Christian Century' magazine >Not according to my allergist nor the allergy association. Check these links: http://www.epi.hss.state.ak.us/bulletins/docs/b1997_36.htm http://www.applications.dhs.ca.gov/pressreleases/store/pressreleases/27-97.html http://www.cal-iaq.org/o3_fact.htm http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hecs-sesc/cps/publications/ozone.htm http://www.dhhs.state.nc.us/docs/ozonefaqs.htm http://www.lungusa.org/pub/cleaners/air_clean_toc.html You might want to show your allergist these links. -- "It's not American foreign policy, or the plight of the Palestinians, or America's longstanding support for Israel. A group of people with money and weaponry have simply decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and want, eventally, to exterminate us." 'Christian Century' magazine Colin up with the references yet again. My thanks---Jack Be very specific with your allergist. Ask him the federal ambient air quality threshold concentration for ozone under the Clean Air Act. Ask him if he knows the amount of ozone created by the Ionic breeze (its in their product manual). Ask him what the effect of ozone above the health standard on those who have respiratory symptoms. If he or she answers correctly, then perhaps they are making a suitable balance between ozone impacts and removal of other pollutants. If not, the allergist has not thought about it. As to the Association, that would be an interesting inquiry as to whether they considered it. >Be very specific with your allergist. Ask him the federal ambient air quality >threshold concentration for ozone under the Clean Air Act. Ask him if he knows [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Association, that would be an interesting inquiry as to whether they considered >it. I am curious as to exactly _who_ this 'Allergy Association' is. -- "It's not American foreign policy, or the plight of the Palestinians, or America's longstanding support for Israel. A group of people with money and weaponry have simply decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and want, eventally, to exterminate us." 'Christian Century' magazine "Colin Campbell" <activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote in message > > I am curious as to exactly _who_ this 'Allergy Association' is. Same here. I Googled "Allergy Association" and got about four references to product endorsement by the "Quebec Allergy Association" posted by a seller of carpet cleaning products. Additionally, there were a couple of notices by others of conferences in Singapore and Portugal which were seemingly unrelated. No associations home page was found. SJF >I am curious as to exactly _who_ this 'Allergy Association' is. On the SI website, when you look up the Ionic Breeze Quadra, it displays the seal of the Asthma & Allergy Foundation of America (aafa.org). This (displaying the seal) is new in the past year & I KNOW a year ago, even on the SI website, they stated (in VERY SMALL print, of course) that if one has asthma, they should consult with their physician before using. Now that they have the aafa.org seal, they no longer show this disclaimer. Although I'm new to respiratory problems, I can't imagine any reputable asthma organization which would allow their seal to be used in advertising this product. >>I am curious as to exactly _who_ this 'Allergy Association' is. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >problems, I can't imagine any reputable asthma organization which >would allow their seal to be used in advertising this product. This should teach you about the value of these endorsements. All too frequently the endorsement is based on a 'donation.' No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message. This endorsement is most likely based on a donation. Consumer's Reports has a recent test of home air cleaners and this one came in WAY at the bottom. This is a testament to marketing over reality. FWIW the article also reviews some of the work (cleaning up your personal environment) that should be done before you buy one of these type of devices. Ashthma and allergies cannot be fixed by throwing a few hundred $$ at a device, plugging it in, and turning it on. In terms of environmental mitigation they are WAY down on the list of things to do. AAFA is actually a pretty small not-for-profit organization. I personally have written the Ex. Dir. and complained of the endorsement while recognizing why he probably did it. Times are tough. Many of them are doing financially poorly right now. Our own local branch (WA) is only open because of a CDC grant for teaching our ACT Program (6-12 year olds and parents). Donations are way down and volunteerism is almost non-existant. We may have to close doors this fall when it runs out. AAFA is a good organization. This endorsement was a compromise that may have been forced/necessary by money issues. That kind of inside info doen't get passed down to the front line volunteers like myself. You can learn more about AAFA from their website: http://aafa.org/ . They are much smaller than the American Lung. Assn. and a lot more grass roots. Fritz RCP for AAFA-WA >> I am curious as to exactly _who_ this 'Allergy Association' is. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > problems, I can't imagine any reputable asthma organization which > would allow their seal to be used in advertising this product. I was trying to find my references on ozone and ozone generators. Cannot even find the government one. Has it been changed? Anyone have them at his fingertips? Need to forward some to a fellow respiratory-therapy patient. Jack >I was trying to find my references on ozone and ozone generators. >Cannot even find the government one. Has it been changed? > >Anyone have them at his fingertips? > >Need to forward some to a fellow respiratory-therapy patient. I posted a set of links a couple of days ago: g02l20p34n8c3k1t925druhkm0mppcve0v@4ax.com -- "It's not American foreign policy, or the plight of the Palestinians, or America's longstanding support for Israel. A group of people with money and weaponry have simply decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and want, eventally, to exterminate us." 'Christian Century' magazine > We have the Ionic Breeze and it is carries the seal the the Asthmatic > Assoc. It is wonderful and picks up all kinds of allergens. > We have felt ever so much better since the purchase of this great cleaner. Is the seal of the "Asthmatic Assoc." supposed to mean something? Who are they?? Oreck electrostatic air cleaners also have ion generator. New model currently sold has separate on/off switch for ions. i had a couple in the past and loved them, never had to dust, but they got too loud as bearings wore out. (sears brand, Oreck built). then got ionic breeze. ok, but gets dirty fast and doesn't move air like they say, had dust collecting. just got Oreck XL and keeping ion generator off. seems like i am sleeping better, but too soon to be sure. > Hello, I hope am writing to the right group. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thank you in advance > Ronnie HEPA is the only way to go Ronnie! Place one in each bedroom and one in the general living room/ family room area to cover that space.Don't purchase the low quality units from local dept stores. The air exchange rate per hour will not come close compared to a professional quality unit that will only be found from an air cleaner specialist. Check out the website at http://www.aircleaners.com for the best quality HEPA air cleaners and allergy/asthma products at the best prices. > Hello, I hope am writing to the right group. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thank you in advance > Ronnie Honeywell and Vornado are just fine and cheaper. But do geta big one and be sure it's HEPA---Jack Just to let you know Jack, Honeywell and Vornado HEPA aircleaners are of very low quality! Plus they cost a huge amount of money in future after market filter replacment costs. These Home Depot/Sears bought Very Loud, Cheap-O $150.00-$250.00 HEPA air cleaners will only exchange the air in a very small bedroom an average of 3-5 times per hour. And they will cost up to $200.00 per year in aftermarket filter replacment costs! Thats a $1000.00 bucks in five years! WHAT A RIP OFF! Check out the Austin Air Healthmate HM-400 Standard HEPA air cleaner. The Austin air Retails for $400.00. However they will clean the air in a large sized bedroom up to 15 times per hour! I assure you that anyone can tell the difference between the Austin Air and the Honeywell or Vornado.Unlike the cheap low air volume Honeywell and Vornado, the Austin Air Healthmate HEPA air cleaners will also cover a larger living room-family room area. They are much quieter then the Cheap-O Air cleaners from brands such as Honeywell and Vornado. The entire Filter drum in the Austin Air Healthmate standard HEPA air cleaner only needs to be replaced once every 5 years or so at a cost of Aprox $150.00. We are talking about a huge difference in Quality, performance and fututre filter replacment costs here!!! Check out or call http://www.aircleaners.com for special prices on The Austin Air Units and for additional information on HEPA air cleaners and air purifiers in general. > Honeywell and Vornado are just fine and cheaper. But do geta big one > and be sure it's HEPA---Jack What you say does not agree with my experience, Mr. 4-Corners. I've been using a Vornado for five years and had to replace the expensive ($50) filter only once, after four years. This is in the lower east side of New York City. Could you be a dealer, Senor? Well then Jack, maybe you need to call the company or find your instruction manual so you can read it! and learn how often they recommend that you change out it's filters. Even if your Vornado worked well with a brand new filter system in it, it could only exchange the air in a very small bedroom aprox 2-5 time per hour. 2-5 air exchanges per hour is a far cry from the Austin Air Healthmate Standard HEPA aircleaners 15 air exchanges per hour in a much larger area.I looked online for replacment filter info for you but most websites said that the filters for many of the Vornado models were not available due to discontinuation of the models! This is a very common problem when owning a cheap inexpencieve air cleaner! The companies that manufacture them would rather sell you a new one rather then produce a number of replacment filters for them. Another reason is because Vornado and other companies do not manufacture their own air cleaners! Many of the Chinese sub- manufactuing companies that produce these air cleaners go out of business or start making entirely different models or other different air cleaner lines for another big name company{s} that do not produce their own air cleaners. After these new projects start up they stop all production on the old { past} air cleaner replacment filters! THAT'S THE WAY IT IS IN THE WORLD OF CHEAP LOW QUALITY AIR CLEANERS! It is a much better choice to stick to air cleaner companies in the USA that have been manufacturing the same high quality HEPA air cleaners for many years! They always have replacment filters in stock for the people that own them! I have been restocking my customers with replacment HEPA filter drums for air cleaners they had purchased from me as far back as 1989. Of course the filter replacments we sell for our aircleaner brands will last for Aprox five years before they will need to be replaced! It's well worth the money to purchase a USA made high quality HEPA air cleaner rather then buying the cheap Chinese low quality toys that you will find at Home Depot, Wal-Mart ect... > What you say does not agree with my experience, Mr. 4-Corners. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Could you be a dealer, Senor? > What you say does not agree with my experience, Mr. 4-Corners. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Could you be a dealer, Senor? Sure he is. Remember barry? He's back under a new sig. |
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