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taurusrc@aol.com - 23 Jan 2004 19:04 GMT
http://www.weightfocus.com/focus_articlelg.asp?b=weightfocus&f=gi&c=asthma_gerd#
GERD%20and%20Asthma


  GERD Symptoms
  Two mechanisms account for the breathing problems associated
  with GERD. One is acid injury of the lining cells of the
  throat and the airways. The stomach lining is specifically
  designed to tolerate an acid environment. By contrast, the
  esophagus is not nearly as tolerant, resulting in episodes of
  anterior chest discomfort that we call heartburn. The throat
  (including the vocal cords) and the airways of the lungs are
  even less able to stand up to the acidity of gastric
  secretions. Swelling around the vocal cords produces not only
  a hoarse voice but also spasm of the cords and a frightening
  narrowing of the air passage into the lungs. This may result
  in difficulty taking air into the lungs and a characteristic
  sound during inspiration (inhaling), called stridor.
  Irritation of the nerve receptors in both the throat and the
  airways also explains the persistent cough often found in
  patients with GERD.
   The other mechanism of GERD that leads to breathing
  difficulties is probably one that is designed to be
  protective. When acid escapes the stomach by backing up into
  the esophagus, a nerve reflex is stimulated, perhaps signaling
  the airways of the risk of subsequent acid reflux into the
  lungs. In order to protect against this event, the airways
  narrow. While this likely protects against acid aspiration
  into the lung, it also produces shortness of breath due to the
  constricted airway.
   
  Diagnosing GERD in Asthmatics
  We suspect that as many as 80 percent of asthmatics have at
  least mild acid reflux disease. In the majority of asthmatics,
  the reflux is mild and produces minimal symptoms. How can we
  decide which patients are at particular risk for clinically
  important acid reflux and require more testing? I rely
  primarily on two clues. First, if a patient has asthma that is
  not responding as expected to medical therapy, I ask if they
  suffer from heartburn or acid indigestion. I do this
  recognizing that half of the patients who have proven
  GERD-related lung symptoms answer no to both questions.
  Although these patients have acid reflux disease, the symptoms
  can occur in the airways and yet be absent in the
  gastrointestinal sytstem. The second major clue is nocturnal
  awakening with any combination of wheezing, coughing, or a
  choking sensation. Many of these patients describe airway
  tightness focused in the throat rather than the chest. This
  probably reflects the intense inflammation and spasm of the
  vocal cords that typifies GERD, but not bronchial asthma.
   
Ora
Cazz - 06 Feb 2004 00:47 GMT
interesting. i've just been diagnosed with GERD. thanks for that article.
totallyfrustrated - 21 Feb 2004 04:24 GMT
Hi Ora,
Sorry to bother, but noticed you seemed well versed in this area. I have GERD, slight allergy and PND. The GERD has progressed in the last 6 months causing SEVERE shortness of breath. This is driving me insane! (like everyone else) Your explanation of this condition was perfect! thank you.  Could you kindly advise if you think Nasal irrigation would help me and if not what would help my condition? Mainly the breathing. Breathing seems to be off and on (more off:) but I am just not the same and my life seems to be on hold. Curently taking Nasonex, Qvar, Oxeze and Losec (which I cannot handle much longer, bloating is driving me crazy too!) thank you so much. Please feel free to e-mail me directly.

Best Regards. TF
CBI - 22 Feb 2004 15:24 GMT
> Hi Ora,
> Sorry to bother, but noticed you seemed well versed in this area. I
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> longer, bloating is driving me crazy too!) thank you so much. Please
> feel free to e-mail me directly.

Nasal irrigation would probably helpt he post nasal drip but
not the GERD. I see that you are not in the US (The FDA made
the manufacturer change the name of Losec to Prilosec in the
US - too similar to another drug) so I am not completely
sure what other meds are available but I am sure there are
alternatvie versions of the Losec. Also, lifestyle
modification and other meds may help the GERD.

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taurusrc@pacbell.net - 24 Feb 2004 18:29 GMT
Sorry for the delay in replying.  I am not really an expert but I did find that
article while trying to figure out what my problem is.  The doctors told me I
has asthma, emphysema, asthmatic bronchitis and other things.  I had some tests
and I don't have emphysema, the inhalers work but I don't like to be dependent
on them.

My symptoms started in early 2003 and stopped a few months later.  They started
up again in December 2003 after I had gotten a chest cold.  I get that every
year about the same time but it never became asthma  before early 2003.  

I noticed that my symptoms would become worse after I eat so I started watching
for clues.  Found that sugar made it worse and later realized that it was corn
syrup that was laying me low.  Especially high fructose corn syrup.  So now I
don't overeat or eat anything with the HFCS because it will get me every time.

I have no problem with fresh fruit so it is not the fructose.

I have PND but have had that decades and don't believe it contributes to my
shortness of breath.  I take a Sudafed sometimes but not very often and it
helps.  I have never used any nose drops.

I have tried some of the stomach meds and the only one that helps me is Gas-X.  

You can email me directly at taurusrc@pacbell.net.  

Ora

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:24:20 -0600, in alt.support.asthma you wrote:

>Hi Ora,
>Sorry to bother, but noticed you seemed well versed in this area. I have GERD, slight allergy and PND. The GERD has progressed in the last 6 months causing SEVERE shortness of breath. This is driving me insane! (like everyone else) Your explanation of this condition was perfect! thank you.  Could you kindly advise if you think Nasal irrigation would help me and if not what would help my condition? Mainly the breathing. Breathing seems to be off and on (more off:) but I am just not the same and my life seems to be on hold. Curently taking Nasonex, Qvar, Oxeze and Losec (which I cannot handle much longer, bloating is driving me crazy too!) thank you so much. Please feel free to e-mail me directly.
>
>Best Regards. TF
Donald Link - 16 Mar 2004 10:48 GMT
What a wonderful post and insight.  I spent 15 years with periodic
problems with asthma and hospitals and steriods in large doses at
times.  About 5 years ago I decided to go to my local veterans
hospital and was able to talk to a Dr Sontag who was doing research
and co authoring articles with this very subject.  After check my
medical condition I was treated for GERDs in a relationship with
asthma.  In my case I have had no major problems, with just the normal
maintance asthma drugs and exercise, and and have not had to visit a
hospital or take heavy doses of steriods.  The problems seems that the
regular medical establishment are either ignorant or just refuse to
believe the relationship.

>http://www.weightfocus.com/focus_articlelg.asp?b=weightfocus&f=gi&c=asthma_gerd#
GERD%20and%20Asthma

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>Ora
 
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