> >There are no other symptons (no heart burn or anything like that).
> >Just occasional difficulty breathing during/after eating. Any ideas?
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> symptoms can pop up after anything that triggers a further increase in
> breathing.
>> >There are no other symptons (no heart burn or anything like that).
>> >Just occasional difficulty breathing during/after eating. Any ideas?
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>This time you're dangerous. This person needs to get real medical advice,
>not provide fodder for your pet delusion.
Gosh, you and Immuno are a prize couple of twits.
Judging from Robbie's writing style, meticulous attention to
punctuation and intelligent question, he seems like the sort of guy
who could have worked out for himeslf that he should see a doctor.
In fact, if you two clowns had bothered to read his message, you would
have seen that he actually saught professional medical advice from his
doctor. But as he points out, his doctor was not very helpful.
Perhaps I should tell Robbie that he should keep seeing his doctor?
Just keep on going back again and again untill he has no more money
left? Then he can sell his computer and use that money to keep going
back to his doctor. Then he will no longer be able to bother us on
asa.
Buteyko therapy is, in fact, the best way for Robbie to go. Why?
Because as the many articles in the medical literature that deal with
CHVS point out, this is a very common disorder and has never been
addressed by mainstream medicine. The condition is hardly ever
diagnosed and, apart from Buteyko therapy, there has been no useful
medical intervention developed. Doctors are inevitably stuck when
dealing with this condition, as Robbie's doctor was.
You dick heads should have a little more respect for the people who
write in for advice. Telling someone he should see a doctor is a
patronizing insult to his intelligence, especially when he already
has!
Peter Kolb
pkolb@wt.com.au
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Colin Campbell - 30 Dec 2003 07:22 GMT
>Buteyko therapy is, in fact, the best way for Robbie to go. Why?
>Because as the many articles in the medical literature that deal with
>CHVS point out, this is a very common disorder and has never been
>addressed by mainstream medicine.
Translation - has not been demonstrated to actually exist.
>The condition is hardly ever
>diagnosed and, apart from Buteyko therapy, there has been no useful
>medical intervention developed. Doctors are inevitably stuck when
>dealing with this condition, as Robbie's doctor was.
Of course - it is hard to treat conditions that do not actually exist.
>You dick heads should have a little more respect for the people who
>write in for advice. Telling someone he should see a doctor is a
>patronizing insult to his intelligence, especially when he already
>has!
And trying to pull a scam on him with your patent remedy is a worse
insult.
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea --
massive, diffucult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a
source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
Gene Spafford 1992
ARoberts - 30 Dec 2003 14:33 GMT
> >> >There are no other symptons (no heart burn or anything like that).
> >> >Just occasional difficulty breathing during/after eating. Any ideas?
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> >This time you're dangerous. This person needs to get real medical advice,
> >not provide fodder for your pet delusion.
> In fact, if you two clowns had bothered to read his message, you would
> have seen that he actually saught professional medical advice from his
> doctor. But as he points out, his doctor was not very helpful.
The key word, scammer, is 'real'. That would be to find a doctor who is not
so casual about what could be a potentially dangerous problem. That would
_not_ be an opportunistic, net-vermin as you who pounces on every chance to
squeeze in a pitch for your pet non-existent 'syndrome'.
> Perhaps I should tell Robbie that he should keep seeing his doctor?
You shouldn't tell him anything; you don't give credible advice.
CBI - 30 Dec 2003 23:14 GMT
> Perhaps I should tell Robbie that he should keep seeing his doctor?
> Just keep on going back again and again untill he has no more money
> left? Then he can sell his computer and use that money to keep going
> back to his doctor. Then he will no longer be able to bother us on
> asa.
How would that be different than if he spent all his money on useless
breathing scams?
--
CBI, MD
Richard Friedel - 31 Dec 2003 09:31 GMT
.....
Peter Kolb has been touting a crazy breath therapy here for years on
end.
1) It is often said that most westerners do not breathe correctly and
one could at a stretch of imagination say that having a deficit of
carbon dioxide in the body is due to breathing.
2) However breathing more than normal (in liters of air per minute)
is not logically treatable with breathing exercises. It might be due
to diabetes, which could not possibly be reversed by (in this case
harmful) breathing exercises.
3) The Buteyko therapy is based on pseudo-science because of its
assuming that excessive carbon dioxide loss could be influenced by
reducing the breathing rate like the course of a chemical reaction
could be influenced by changing the input rate of a reactant into a
reactor.
4) The workings of the lungs and of the breathing muscles are however
heavily dependent on reflexes. Opening the mouth wide as in yawning
does not simply let more air in but expands the lungs by reflex.
5) Therefore "Buteyko therapy" cannot be successful because Buteyko's
theory of breathing is incorrect, probably because of its having been
developed in Soviet Russia by Buteyko (1923-2003) while Russian
science was isolated and out of touch with the rest of the scientific
community. Buteyko only refers to Russian scientific papers in a
vicious circle.
6) In particular the Buteyko tactic for exercise induced asthma (EIA)
by sticking to nose breathing whatever is misleading because this
reduces exertion capacity. Training nose breathing to reach a normal
exertion capacity takes 6 months, see John Douillard in "Body Mind and
Sport" page 157. If an asthmatic faced with the EIA problem cannot
tackle the problem with diaphragmatic breathing, then he should mouth
breathe and not follow Buteyko's tactic.
Generally it seems that while the Buteyko method of curbing an attack
by breath holding may be effective for some, orthodox methods such as
pursed lips breathing and the specific techniques of Prof. Deane
Hillsman of UCLA (http://www.ohiou.edu/isarp/conf_00/papr_19.htm) are
far superior because they take account of airtrapping and are not
misused as an deological launch pad. If Buteyko were pruned down to
specific details and know-how of curbing attacks and freed of the
ideological propaganda and were in the hands of qualified medical
doctors things might be different. However Buteyko is generally
understood as a method for curing asthma by normalizing carbon dioxide
levels, something which fails to do, see clinical trials on it. The
levels are unaffected. Regards and a prosperous New Year, Richard
Friedel
Mistakes are a fact of life. It is the response to error that counts.
Nikki Giovanni