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Change from ventolin to salmeterol xinafoate

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Jim - 13 Jan 2004 04:25 GMT
My son is used to taking 2 doses of becotide a day, with
varying amounts of ventolin. Recently he's had to increase
the ventolin to 2-3 puffs a day. On seeing his asthma nurse
for a routine checkup, she suggested that he try salmeterol
xinafoate, two doses twice a day.

A search of the net for information suggests that there are
some risks with this medication, and as he's coming up to a
major set of examinations, I am inclined to suggest that he
doesn't try this new medication until after the exam period
is over - if at all.

He's not uncomfortable with his current medication, but the
suggestion of the nurse makes me wonder if anyone here can
advise on what to do, based on experience?

Thanks...

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Circe - 13 Jan 2004 16:20 GMT
> My son is used to taking 2 doses of becotide a day, with
> varying amounts of ventolin. Recently he's had to increase
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> suggestion of the nurse makes me wonder if anyone here can
> advise on what to do, based on experience?

My understanding is the albuterol is no longer recommended as a maintenance
medication for asthmatics. When taken without steroids to reduce
inflammation, bronchodilators (including salmeterol) tend to merely mask the
symptoms. If your son is taking 2-3 puffs per day on a regular basis to
control his symptoms, he may be headed for a severe, even life-threatening
attack.

I speak from experience. I used was using albuterol symptomatically 3-5
times per week, taking salmeterol occasionally when my symptoms seemed worse
than usual, until last July, when I had a severe attack in the wee hours of
the morning. By the time I arrived at the hospital, I was in full cardiac
arrest. Needless to say, I do not recommend this.

I am now taking Advair, which is a combination of Flovent (steroid to reduce
inflammation) and salmeterol. Since leaving the hospital in July, I have
used albuterol perhaps 3-5 times total.

These days, if you use salmeterol at all, it is strongly recommended that
you also take a steroid to control inflammation. The risks you've noted
associated with salmeterol tend to occur in patients who are not taking
steroids. This is because the salmeterol is covering up worsening
inflammation of the lungs by dilating them and because the build-up of
bronchodilators in the system tends to reduce the effectivement of albuterol
when an attack occurs.

Given my experience, I would strongly discourage continuing with the
ventolin-only approach, would strongly discourage a salmeterol-only
approach, and would strongly recommend either inhaled steroids alone for
maintenance with ventolin for symptomatic treatment only or a combination of
inhaled steroid and salmeterol for maintenance with ventolin as a back-up.
The last two options are generally considered state-of-the-art for asthma
management, depending on the severity of the patient's symptoms.
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Jim - 13 Jan 2004 20:09 GMT
>My understanding is the albuterol is no longer recommended as a maintenance
>medication for asthmatics.

Thanks for all of that info. I'll read it again later, but
my first thought is that perhaps I was unclear in describing
the current situation, and it would help to know if I'm
confusing the treatments my son has and is being offered.

Currently he takes 400mcg Becotide twice a day, and Ventolin
as required. Sometimes he needs no Ventolin, recently he has
been taking 2-3 puffs a day. But he does take 400mcg
Becotide twice a day as a routine.

I've checked again and as I now understand it, it's being
suggested that he takes salmeterol xinafoate in ADDITION to
the Becotide each morning and evening, to try to reduce the
need to use Ventolin.

Does that make more sense? Thanks...

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Circe - 13 Jan 2004 22:32 GMT
> I've checked again and as I now understand it, it's being
> suggested that he takes salmeterol xinafoate in ADDITION to
> the Becotide each morning and evening, to try to reduce the
> need to use Ventolin.
>
> Does that make more sense? Thanks...

Ah, thanks for the clarification. Yes, it does make more sense and that
would definitely be "standard of care" for asthma maintenance for patients
for whom the inhaled steroids are not sufficient. After adding salmeterol,
if albuterol is still needed to control symptoms on a regular basis, the
recommendation is usually to increase the steroid dose or add an
antihistamine like Singulair. The goal, however, is to reduce the need for
albuterol, either to treat symptoms or as a regular maintenance medication.
Salmeterol is basically an altered form of albuterol that is simply
longer-acting.
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Jim - 13 Jan 2004 23:30 GMT
>Ah, thanks for the clarification. Yes, it does make more sense and that
>would definitely be "standard of care" for asthma maintenance for patients
>for whom the inhaled steroids are not sufficient.

Thanks for that - it's reassuring to know that others have
experienced a similar recommendation. I was concerned when I
read some of the information on the web regarding salmeterol
xinafoate, but all medications carry some risk I suppose.

Thanks again.

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CBI - 15 Jan 2004 03:45 GMT
>> Ah, thanks for the clarification. Yes, it does make more
sense and
>> that would definitely be "standard of care" for asthma
maintenance
>> for patients for whom the inhaled steroids are not
sufficient.

> Thanks for that - it's reassuring to know that others have
> experienced a similar recommendation. I was concerned when I
> read some of the information on the web regarding salmeterol
> xinafoate, but all medications carry some risk I suppose.

Circ is correct that adding Serevent is *one* of several of
the possible steps that are recommended in this situation
and the nurse is certainly not alone in giving this advice.
You don't say how old your son is. If he is small then the
400  mcg per day is at the top of the standard dose range
and some other tactic should be sought. If he is older (like
an adult sized teen) then it may be reasonable to move him
up into the adult dosing range.

Another possibility, also commonly recommended, would be to
try another anti-inflammatory medication such as Singulair
or Accolate. Also this would be a good time to review and
make sure you are doing the most you can with removing
triggers, controlling allergies and sinus disease, and
assuring yourself that reflux is not an issue. All of these
choices would take steps to reduce the cause of the wheezing
and so in my mind would be preferable to covering up the
symptoms with a long acting Ventolin.

The risks you have heard of  probably mostly refer to the
results of the SMART trial. In this trial Salmeterol was
associated with an increased risk of death but the kids in
this study had exceptionally poorly controlled asthma and
grossly under used steroids. Since your child is on a decent
dose of inhaled steroid the results of this study presumably
would not apply to him.

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Jim - 18 Jan 2004 14:41 GMT
>Circ is correct that adding Serevent is *one* of several of
>the possible steps that are recommended in this situation
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>an adult sized teen) then it may be reasonable to move him
>up into the adult dosing range.

He's 18 and takes Becotide 400mcg twice a day.

Thanks for that, both informative and reassuring.

Jim

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jackmallory@webtv.net - 14 Jan 2004 16:19 GMT
Singulair is not an antihistamine.

Salmeterol is Ventolin reconfigured with a change in the molecule that
makes the salmeterol longer lasting.

Ventolin is  harmless for most of us .  We emphysemics use it six eight
and ten times a day when needed.

But if an asthmatic is using the Ventolin  frequently, it is current
practice to up the dose of steroid or maybe add a leucotriene inhibiter
which is what Singulair and Accolade are.  

It is the salmeterol (Serevent) in Advair that is the great masker of
the need for more steroid.  

Serevent is a totally unnecessary drug considering that the short acting
Ventolin is inexpensive (especially as the generic salbutamol or
"albuterol" in the USA) .  Ventolin is  safe and relatively gentle.

Some of us would rather be aware of our breath from moment to moment
rather than take a "miracle" drug like Advair twice a day.
 
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