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Vivian - 29 Jul 2003 22:45 GMT
Hello,

I am new to this group however, I have been lurking for quite awhile.  I
like hearing about first hand experiences and tips on how to deal with
asthma.

I don't have asthma myself however, my husband does.  His asthma was mild
and he hardly ever used his puffer until this year.  Now he uses a
bronchodilator and the combo puffer Advair.

I've done some research on Grape Seed Extract and apparently it has done
wonders for asthmatics.  Has anyone here tried grape seed extract therapy?

My husband takes it in the morning and it has helped him use his puffer
less.  It also seems to boost his immunity.  He also seems to sneeze and
have less of a runny nose when he takes the extract.  When he forgets, his
asthma/bronchitis gets worse.

It's only been 3 weeks with the grape seed extract yet the effects were
noticeable almost immediately which is not unusual.

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Colin Campbell - 30 Jul 2003 03:16 GMT
>I've done some research on Grape Seed Extract and apparently it has done
>wonders for asthmatics.  Has anyone here tried grape seed extract therapy?

grape seed extract is an old scam from the 1970's that has been
resurrected in hopes that people will not remember.

Basically, if the stuff worked for asthma then it would be documented
to do so.

It's a terrible responsibility - but somebody has to be the Americans.
Vivian - 30 Jul 2003 04:07 GMT
Well, I guess if it doesn't work for asthmatics at least it's still good for
you.  Maybe that's all it is really.

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> >I've done some research on Grape Seed Extract and apparently it has done
> >wonders for asthmatics.  Has anyone here tried grape seed extract therapy?
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> It's a terrible responsibility - but somebody has to be the Americans.
jackmallory@webtv.net - 30 Jul 2003 13:12 GMT
Vivian if you want documentation on grape seed and/or marine pine bark
being used as antioxidants look up Jacques Masquilier, the frenchman
who's been researching and promoting them since the late nineteen
forties.

There is quite a group reasonably intelligent men, mostly, on this
newgroup who do not appreciate anecdotal enthusiasm  of any stripe
appearing here.

Masquelier claims that his grapeseed and marine pine bark extract is ten
times richer in antioxidants than Vitamin C
and twenty times richer than E.  Or is it vice-versa?

Anyway, I've been using the stuff for years and hope to hell it works.
I won't say anything anecdotally

What makes the Jacques Masquelier story even more fascinating to some of
us is that he's been in court for years with an american usurper
Horphag, who took over the name of the extract "Pycnagenol" and is
marketing in this country what Masquelier claims to be an inferior
product.

Copious documentation.  But it's the French people.  Parlez-vous?
NorthShoreCEO - 02 Aug 2003 13:06 GMT
>From: "Vivian" someone@microsoft.com

>I've done some research on Grape Seed Extract and apparently it has done
>wonders for asthmatics.  Has anyone here tried grape seed extract therapy?

Could be that Grape Seed extract helps asthmatics because it has
anti-inflammatory properties.  It seems to benefit people for a lot of reasons
if you look at these studies:

http://www.umm.edu/natnews/107538.html

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:ymJlKB0YA1EJ:www.umdnj.edu/csacmweb/n
ews/Bielory.pdf+grape+seed+extract+%2B+asthma&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://www.acs.ohio-state.edu/researchnews/archive/gdgrapes.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_
uids=12374620&dopt=Abstract

http://www.amd.org/site/PageServer?pagename=AMD_Update

http://www.aad.org/PressReleases/chemoprevention.html

http://gumc.georgetown.edu/communications/releases/archive/ay2000_2001/gra
peseed_extract_01292001.htm

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:89irVWTs5DcJ:www.medscape.com/viewart
icle/453696_4+grape+seed+extract+study&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://www.usc.edu/hsc/info/pr/ccr/spring99/deadly.html
Vivian - 03 Aug 2003 06:46 GMT
Wow, thanks for the great links.  I do believe that grape seed extract works
even though my own experience in anecdotal.  As long as something is
happening for the better it couldn't hurt to try grape seed extract!

As for the theory about grape seeds and wine--that's actually a good thing
to think about--a lot of hype is business marketing...

I was always under the impression that grape seeds were a part of wine
though...

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> >From: "Vivian" someone@microsoft.com
>
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> http://www.usc.edu/hsc/info/pr/ccr/spring99/deadly.html
NorthShoreCEO - 03 Aug 2003 17:49 GMT
>From: "Vivian" someone@microsoft.com

>Wow, thanks for the great links.

You're welcome.

> I do believe that grape seed extract works
>even though my own experience in anecdotal.  

Well, the links I provided do indicate anti-inflammatory and immune
strengthening properties among a host of other benefits to taking it, so I can
see where asthma might be improved.  
jackmallory@webtv.net - 03 Aug 2003 22:40 GMT
Scepticism merits arrogance only in the face of fraud.  Toward ignorant
enthusiasam and enthusiastic ignorance scepticism needs present a face
of humility or even apology.  This is to win over the ignorant without
destroying their enthusiasm.  

In this thread CEO posts more than one reference.   You might read  the
lot before opening a sceptical assessment.

Penicillin was not a magic bullet but an antibiotic of wide spectrum
useful for many disparate conditions.  We hope antioxidants may prove to
play a similarly wide role, but a preventive one, on a cellular level.
jackmallory@webtv.net - 03 Aug 2003 22:48 GMT
Another study in a langage foreign to me.

Entrez-PubMed
Address:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=Display&DB=PubMed
jackmallory@webtv.net - 04 Aug 2003 00:22 GMT
Oh yeah.  Get the site

Entrez-PubMed
Address:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=Display&DB=PubMed

Then enter "Grape Seed Extract"
Alison Chaiken - 04 Aug 2003 02:29 GMT
> Address:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=Display&DB=PubMed
> Then enter "Grape Seed Extract"

Following your instructions, we get 29 articles, which state that
grape seed extract is a "powerful antioxidant" that may have some
benefit for treating kidney problems.  Several of the articles are
fairly basic research that are not investigations of medical
applications.  Nowhere however is there any mention of the use of
grape seed extract in treating respiratory diseases.  This may be
because: a) no one has tried it; b) someone tried it a long time ago
and it didn't work; c) there's no obvious way to get the active
ingredient (proanthocyanidin) into the respiratory system.

Would we expect antioxidants to have value in treating inflammatory
diseases?  That kind of question is beyond me.

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doe - 04 Aug 2003 02:55 GMT
>Subject: Re: Grape Seed Extract
>From: Alison Chaiken alison+gnus20030803T182439@dailyplanet.wsrcc.com
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>Would we expect antioxidants to have value in treating inflammatory
>diseases?  That kind of question is beyond me.

1: J Med Food. 2001 Winter;4(4):201-209.  Related Articles, Links  

Pycnogenol((R)) in the Management of Asthma.

Hosseini S, Pishnamazi S, Sadrzadeh SM, Farid F, Farid R, Watson RR.

College of Public Health and School of Medicine, The University of Arizona,
1501 N. Campbell Ave., Tucson, AZ 85724.

Asthma is characterized as a chronic inflammatory process. Pycnogenol((R)), a
bioflavonoid mixture extracted from Pinus maritima, is known to scavenge free
radicals while possessing antioxidant and antiinflammatory properties. The
objective of this study was to evaluate the efficiency of this agent in a
randomized, double-blinded, placebo-controlled, crossover study in patients
with varying asthma severity. Twenty-six patients who fulfilled the American
Thoracic Society criteria for asthma were enrolled in the study. Medical
history, physical examination, blood sample analyses, and spirometric values
were obtained at baseline, 4 weeks, and 8 weeks. The patients were randomly
assigned to receive either 1 mg/lb/day (maximum 200 mg/day) Pycnogenol or
placebo for the first period of 4 weeks and then crossed over to the alternate
regimen for the next 4 weeks. No adverse effects were observed related to the
study drug. Within the contingent of 22 patients who completed the study,
almost all responded favorably to Pycnogenol in contrast to placebo. Pycnogenol
treatment also significantly reduced serum leukotrienes compared with placebo.
The results of this pilot study indicate that Pycnogenol may be a valuable
nutraceutical in the management of chronic asthma. We recommend that further
clinical trials be conducted in larger groups of asthmatics to establish its
efficacy.

PMID: 12639402 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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CBI - 04 Aug 2003 03:21 GMT
> Several of the articles are
> fairly basic research that are not investigations of medical
> applications.  Nowhere however is there any mention of the use of
> grape seed extract in treating respiratory diseases.

Correct. I would point out that at least one of the authors (Bielory) is an
allergist who treats asthma. He briefly reviewed the literature in favor of
using grapeseed extract (and a little against) in a variety of conditions
and basic experiments and did not mention asthma. Since that is his area of
clinical interest* one would assume he would have been aware of it and would
have mentioned it if there was any.

> This may be
> because: a) no one has tried it; b) someone tried it a long time ago
> and it didn't work; c) there's no obvious way to get the active
> ingredient (proanthocyanidin) into the respiratory system.

I think c) is clearly not the case since at the very least taking it orally
would send it to the respiratory system along with everywhere else.

If b) was the case in any large convincing study I think he may have
mentioned that was well. Although he did seem to be allowed just one page of
space so a complete review of all the negative studies may have been beyond
the scope of his editorial.

A) would seem to be the most likely possibility. Asthma studies are fairly
complex things to do and most of the research has been fairly basic.

> Would we expect antioxidants to have value in treating inflammatory
> diseases?  That kind of question is beyond me.

Quite possibly, yes. But it is not obvious that any particular chemical with
in vitro anti-oxidant effects will have clinically significant in  vivo
effects.

--
CBI, MD

* Dr. Bielory is an old med school professor of mine that I was fairly well
acquainted with. For the most part he is a fairly regular "mainstream" kind
of guy - certainly not a kook. He is a clinician that does actively treat
allergies and asthma in addition to doing research.
Vivian - 04 Aug 2003 04:47 GMT
No matter how many scientific studies there are, the only thing that is true
is if it works for the individual.  Everyone is different.

I know for a fact that antioxidants are good for the body--that's why we
should eat fruits and vegetables and I know that grape seed extract is
healthy.  So, although I don't know for sure if it works for asthma or for
curing asthma, I know that something is helping my husband and it seems to
be correlating to the extract that he is taking.

As long as it's doing something I'm happy.  I like to keep things simple.

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> > Several of the articles are
> > fairly basic research that are not investigations of medical
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> of guy - certainly not a kook. He is a clinician that does actively treat
> allergies and asthma in addition to doing research.
CBI - 05 Aug 2003 02:31 GMT
> No matter how many scientific studies there are, the only thing that is true
> is if it works for the individual.  Everyone is different.
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>
> As long as it's doing something I'm happy.  I like to keep things simple.

I guess things always are simpler when you are just going by gut feelings
and beliefs rather than facts.

Everyone is different .... and the same.

--
CBI, MD
Vivian - 05 Aug 2003 04:28 GMT
I actually go by 2 things--fact proven beyond a doubt and intuition.  There
is a time and place for just your beliefs.  And there's a time and place for
just fact.

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> > No matter how many scientific studies there are, the only thing that is
> true
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> --
> CBI, MD
Immuno - 02 Aug 2003 21:43 GMT
Really don't have the time to look it up "visa vis" omega 3's and 6's,
poly/monounsaturateds etc......... I would imagine however that its relative
benefits in a "well balanced diet" are marginal.

HOWEVER - grape seeds come from..... grapes. You squeeze a heck of a lot of
grapes to make wine. You then have a hell of a disposal problem!! Some
people might view it as a business opportunity lots and lots of free
starting material - hey they'll even deliver FOC!

......Get my drift?

I'm pleased your husband is improving.

Grape seed oil has a nice neutral flavour - I quite like it for salad
dressing.

Pete

> Hello,
>
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> It's only been 3 weeks with the grape seed extract yet the effects were
> noticeable almost immediately which is not unusual.
Tamara Larson - 21 Aug 2003 03:51 GMT
these natural remedies certainly have their place, but before trying
something like that make sure you're not allergic to the ingredients.
Personally, I am allergic to grapes, so it may not be a wise plan for me...
> Really don't have the time to look it up "visa vis" omega 3's and 6's,
> poly/monounsaturateds etc......... I would imagine however that its relative
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> >
> > "Meet Maroo and Honey, Our Campbell Dwarf Princess Hamsters"
 
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