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Julie C - 29 Nov 2007 04:39 GMT
Hello ... can anyone tell me what a normal range of peak flow readings (peak expiratory flow rate) during a day would be?  I believe I read that lung capacity/airflow normally varies somewhat during the day...

Just wondering... mine will sometimes vary 70 L/min from morning to noon and again from noon to evening.

Thanks in advance for any info!
Julie C
Ted Edwards - 29 Nov 2007 17:40 GMT
> Hello ... can anyone tell me what a normal range of peak flow readings
> (peak expiratory flow rate) during a day would be?  I believe I read
> that lung capacity/airflow normally varies somewhat during the day...
>  
> Just wondering... mine will sometimes vary 70 L/min from morning to noon
> and again from noon to evening.

When is/are maxima minima?

Ted
00doc - 30 Nov 2007 01:42 GMT
Hello ... can anyone tell me what a normal range of peak flow readings (peak
expiratory flow rate) during a day would be?  I believe I read that lung
capacity/airflow normally varies somewhat during the day...

Just wondering... mine will sometimes vary 70 L/min from morning to noon and
again from noon to evening.

Thanks in advance for any info!
Julie C

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It depends on your age, gender and height.

This site gives graphs. The numbers that go with colored lines refer to your
height in cm.
http://www.gp-training.net/pics/respiratory/pef.htm

This one will calculate it for you.
http://www.asthma.partners.org/Applets/PeakFLowPredicted.html

Individual results can vary significantly so the best thing to do is measure
your own and determine your own baseline. For instance, my peak flow is
significantly higher than what the charts predict. People relying on he
charts would underestimate how sick I am.

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miles - 30 Nov 2007 02:00 GMT
> Individual results can vary significantly so the best thing to do is measure
> your own and determine your own baseline. For instance, my peak flow is
> significantly higher than what the charts predict. People relying on he
> charts would underestimate how sick I am.

Every Dr. I have ever seen tends to look at peak flows on a minor level.
 They are much more interested in volume as well as the shape of the
flow loops when charted.  So why do people mention peak flows so much
more often?
Ted Edwards - 30 Nov 2007 18:10 GMT
> Every Dr. I have ever seen tends to look at peak flows on a minor level.
>  They are much more interested in volume as well as the shape of the
> flow loops when charted.  So why do people mention peak flows so much
> more often?

Unquestionably "volume as well as the shape of the flow loops when
charted" is a better indicator but, AFAIK, that requires more
sophisticated gear than we can afford.  We can measure PEF with a hand
held, inexpensive instrument at home and, while it isn't as good, it's
better than nothing.

I have COPD, first diagnosed in '95.  I wrote software to track my PEF
and have been so since then.  I also have atrial fibrillation.  As well
as my PEF, I take my pulse morning and evening and record the data as
well as whether the pulse was steady or irregular.  Over the years I
have tried various drugs and dosages.  My graphs have always been most
helpful to me and the doctors in deciding what works and what doesn't.

Ted
00doc - 01 Dec 2007 14:42 GMT
>> Every Dr. I have ever seen tends to look at peak flows on a minor level.
>> They are much more interested in volume as well as the shape of the flow
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> held, inexpensive instrument at home and, while it isn't as good, it's
> better than nothing.

Precisely.

The PEF correlates well with the fancier readings in most, but not all,
people. It does not give you the information you need for initial diagnosis
but is a useful tracking tool in most people.

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Julie C - 30 Nov 2007 04:03 GMT
thanks for the info... I have looked at the charts and my max peak flows are also higher than for my height and age.

My question has more to do with what is a normal variance during the day...  my max is 560.. my min 410.  (I realize my asthma isn't severe, but does affect my daily activities.)

What I've seen after using the albuterol quite a bit or after a few nebulizer txmts, I may have a 470 at 8am, 550 at 12noon and then 470 or 480 at 10 pm... .. so I'm wondering if that is a normal daily change... or what is.. or if someone not having symptoms will usually have the same readings throughout the day.

Sorry to be so wordy... just trying to explain my question better.
JulieC

 "Julie C" <jewlyc@granospam.midco.net> wrote in message
 news:yZqdnUZRR6YH39PanZ2dnUVZ_tijnZ2d@midco.net...
 Hello ... can anyone tell me what a normal range of peak flow readings (peak
 expiratory flow rate) during a day would be?  I believe I read that lung
 capacity/airflow normally varies somewhat during the day...

 Just wondering... mine will sometimes vary 70 L/min from morning to noon and
 again from noon to evening.

 Thanks in advance for any info!
 Julie C

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 It depends on your age, gender and height.

 This site gives graphs. The numbers that go with colored lines refer to your
 height in cm.
 http://www.gp-training.net/pics/respiratory/pef.htm

 This one will calculate it for you.
 http://www.asthma.partners.org/Applets/PeakFLowPredicted.html

 Individual results can vary significantly so the best thing to do is measure
 your own and determine your own baseline. For instance, my peak flow is
 significantly higher than what the charts predict. People relying on he
 charts would underestimate how sick I am.

 --
 00doc
00doc - 01 Dec 2007 14:48 GMT
thanks for the info... I have looked at the charts and my max peak flows are
also higher than for my height and age.

My question has more to do with what is a normal variance during the day...
my max is 560.. my min 410.  (I realize my asthma isn't severe, but does
affect my daily activities.)

What I've seen after using the albuterol quite a bit or after a few
nebulizer txmts, I may have a 470 at 8am, 550 at 12noon and then 470 or 480
at 10 pm... .. so I'm wondering if that is a normal daily change... or what
is.. or if someone not having symptoms will usually have the same readings
throughout the day.

Sorry to be so wordy... just trying to explain my question better.
JulieC

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That is also a good question. Variability in PF's is also considered a sign
of poor control. 20% is the accepted limit but that can be tweaked based on
experience if people track their numbers. With a max of 560 you are probably
OK as long as it is not varying to below 450 - but  again - you should use
your own experience as a guide. If you find that more or less variability
presages an attack adjust the plan accordingly.

If you are getting readings of 410 (73% of max) and need to take albuterol
several times a day to keep the readings above 450 (>80%) then you probably
are not well controlled and need to improve your therapy - some combination
of adding a preventative med or reducing a trigger.

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Dragonfly - 03 Dec 2007 01:02 GMT
> That is also a good question. Variability in PF's is also considered a sign
> of poor control. 20% is the accepted limit but that can be tweaked based on
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> --
> 00doc

I didn't know  that peak flow meters could show effectiveness of one's
inhalers...  My doctors never talked about that at all.  How often per
day should someone be testing, to get enough variability for it to
mean something?  And, can one get a peak flow meter other than through
a doctor?

Dragonfly
Julie C - 04 Dec 2007 00:24 GMT
I didn't know  that peak flow meters could show effectiveness of one's
 inhalers...  My doctors never talked about that at all.  How often per
 day should someone be testing, to get enough variability for it to
 mean something?  And, can one get a peak flow meter other than through
 a doctor?

 Dragonfly

 Hi Dragonfly,
 I've read that it's good to take a reading on the peak flow meter twice a day - AM & PM to give an indication on how well asthma is being controlled.  I do not know where else to get a meter - I got one from an allergist.
 JC
Ted Edwards - 05 Dec 2007 18:03 GMT
> I didn't know  that peak flow meters could show effectiveness of one's
> inhalers...  My doctors never talked about that at all.  How often per
> day should someone be testing, to get enough variability for it to
> mean something?  And, can one get a peak flow meter other than through
> a doctor?

Go to http://www.dogpile.com/ and enter
  PEF meter
into the search box.  You'll get a bunch of entries where you can buy
on-line.

Alternatively, got to your local pharmacy and ask.  I won't recommend
one as I've had two different brands and was rather under-whelmed by both.

Ted
00doc - 08 Dec 2007 16:24 GMT
> I didn't know  that peak flow meters could show effectiveness of one's
> inhalers...  My doctors never talked about that at all.  How often per
> day should someone be testing, to get enough variability for it to
> mean something?  And, can one get a peak flow meter other than through
> a doctor?

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/asthma/MM00399
(How to use them)

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/asthma/AS00022
("Asthma: Use a peak flow meter to gain control")

drugstore.com, froogle, ebay, bizrate.com. etc etc - they are not hard to
find if you look.
Any pharmacy should be able to sell you one. They are usually around $20.

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Julie C - 04 Dec 2007 00:22 GMT
What I've seen after using the albuterol quite a bit or after a few
 nebulizer txmts, I may have a 470 at 8am, 550 at 12noon and then 470 or 480
 at 10 pm... .. so I'm wondering if that is a normal daily change... or what
 is.. or if someone not having symptoms will usually have the same readings
 throughout the day.

 Sorry to be so wordy... just trying to explain my question better.
 JulieC

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 That is also a good question. Variability in PF's is also considered a sign
 of poor control. 20% is the accepted limit but that can be tweaked based on
 experience if people track their numbers. With a max of 560 you are probably
 OK as long as it is not varying to below 450 - but  again - you should use
 your own experience as a guide. If you find that more or less variability
 presages an attack adjust the plan accordingly.

 If you are getting readings of 410 (73% of max) and need to take albuterol
 several times a day to keep the readings above 450 (>80%) then you probably
 are not well controlled and need to improve your therapy - some combination
 of adding a preventative med or reducing a trigger.

 --
 00doc

 Thanks for the input - that was very helpful.  I deal with my family practitioner and do not get much guidance there, though she does listen and adjusts medication when I feel I need some additional help.
 JC
 
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