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rmjon23 - 18 Oct 2007 05:00 GMT
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20071017-18
074900-bc-canada-farmasthma.xml


Children on farms have less asthma
EDMONTON, Alberta, Oct. 17 (UPI) -- A University of Alberta study
found farm children have a lower risk of asthma than their urban
counterparts.

Lead author William Midodzi, a doctoral candidate at the University of
Alberta School of Public Health, in Edmonton, analyzed of two surveys
involving 13,524 asthma-free children under the age of 12 in the
Canadian National Longitudinal Survey of Children and Youth.

The study, published in the journal Respirology, found a two-year
cumulative incidence of asthma was 2.3 percent in farm children,
compared to 5.3 percent for children living in a rural area and 5.7
percent for urban children.

"Farm children ages 1 to 5 also showed a stronger protective effect
against asthma than those aged 6 to 11 years, possibly due to earlier
exposure to the farm environment," Midodzi said in a statement.

Midodzi speculates that exposure to "endotoxins" from animal viruses
and manure and avoidance of urban environment early in life might have
reduced the risk for development of asthma.
miles - 18 Oct 2007 05:47 GMT
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20071017-18
074900-bc-canada-farmasthma.xml

>
> Children on farms have less asthma
> EDMONTON, Alberta, Oct. 17 (UPI) -- A University of Alberta study
> found farm children have a lower risk of asthma than their urban
> counterparts.

Pure bunk!  Farms have high pesticide levels, pollens, animal stench to
choke a horse, fertilizer, dust and so on.  Dr's often ask me if I live
near a farm and if so then move!  I don't dare go near one for any
length of time.  Tried to last Halloween for a festival at a local farm.
 Never again.
mcs - 19 Oct 2007 04:13 GMT
>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20071017-18
074900-bc-canada-farmasthma.xml

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> of time.  Tried to last Halloween for a festival at a local farm. Never
> again.

I don't know about farms but people who live away from both coal and cities
exhaust have less cancer and asthma generally speaking
miles - 19 Oct 2007 06:12 GMT
> I don't know about farms but people who live away from both coal and cities
> exhaust have less cancer and asthma generally speaking

It's not a secret that pollution isn't a good thing.  Nobody has ever
tried to argue otherwise.

Cars are the biggest polluters overall in the USA.  It's nice to see
that in 2007 and 2008 models many models are already meeting 2010
reduced emissions standards.  Manufactures are finally staying ahead
rather than push for extensions.

Yes coal can be a polluter but it can also be used to reduce pollution.
 In many colder climate towns the main pollutant is wood fires being
used to heat homes.  Electricity used to heat those same homes reduces
the pollution to a fraction despite it being generated at a central coal
fired plant.
mcs - 19 Oct 2007 16:07 GMT
>> I don't know about farms but people who live away from both coal and
>> cities exhaust have less cancer and asthma generally speaking
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> pollution to a fraction despite it being generated at a central coal fired
> plant.
cars producing less pollutants good but our air rating is actually getting
worse. I followed the particulate count and its going up in some us cities
especiall in NE so I think not enough is being done to mandate changes
obviously from coal and truck and bus diesel which in my city uses the same
poison engines. Our city ordered different buses but not sure if its enough
to make a difference. Mind you we need a big difference, not a score a few
points lower. Look at today wind coming from east and its still 40-75 and
hard to breathe in particulates. day after day if they wanted to prove has
caused illness and death much faster in these regions then in clean air.
Period... and people pay more for being poisoned. I wonder if any lawyer
will ever sue..
miles - 20 Oct 2007 04:16 GMT
> "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message

> cars producing less pollutants good but our air rating is actually getting
> worse. I followed the particulate count and its going up in some us cities
> especiall in NE so I think not enough is being done to mandate changes
> obviously from coal and truck and bus diesel which in my city uses the same
> poison engines.

Change takes time.  Nothing is instant.  However, in 2010 all Diesels
have to comply with far lower emissions standards.  Not just a small cut
but a major reduction.  Starting Jan. 1st 2008 all Diesel sold will be
ULSD (except farm, offroad use etc).  The sulfur content goes from
500ppm to 15ppm.  Thats a huge drop.  Along with that the new emissions
on diesel engines will cut what remains even further.

Your city maybe behind most others in pollutants.  Why don't you post
mostly on local forums rather than national?  Cities such as Los Angeles
that were known for decades as the worst smog cities are not far cleaner
thanks to years of successful programs to cut pollutants.  Maybe your
city needs to look at what Los Angeles has done.
mcs - 20 Oct 2007 07:27 GMT
>> "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
>
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> Your city maybe behind most others in pollutants.  Why don't you post
> mostly on local forums rather than national?

Philly is actually a good town, Its buildings and parks are very nice ,
history outstanding. Day after day of  air that  reaches good around 19
percent of the time ( all day). Today might be one but not sure a cold front
has passed. If you go to Philly blog, ( a real estate blog) they just
censure me. Too much reality. You have to realize we get thousands of
commercials for asthma , respirators, healthcare centers and tens of
hospitals and cancer clinics and lung centers. I feel like we were set up to
spend all out money on conditions that people had no chance to ever fight.
The media gets billions for commericals for healthcare so why do they want
anyone to leave or know why they need the meds to begine with. Almost every
association I ever looked into should show   with both total amoutns of
particulate and ozone pollution  and how often a  population gets it and
affect on overall health . Moderate is simply not accurate.. Moderate is
hurting people period. Its not just becuase i simply get constricted lungs
when it reaches that.. Its the simple combination of all the studies I have
read and independent tests I have taken and combined with bad ratings from
Lung and cancer clinics , I am convinced that this danger is one of the
biggest dangers in the US today especially for affected cities. Its very
hard to get a city to notice your point when you have little money or only
post on newsgroups. I see the power of big media. I see how a media can
convince people of anything they want . I see how nazis easily came to
power.
I didn't believe in conspiracies before I do now. Its ashame, because we
are defaulting to power at the expense of truth. We and the gov are
defaulting to lying to hurt our own people in the end. We don't improve in
treating others kindly in the end, we make people meaner and wanting to over
power them instead of get along based on truth. We still have free press
although more and more is concentrated in big business.We are coopting our
own future.
I wonder if the cia really thinks lying about particulate pollution or
keeping the harm done  under wraps  is going to help people be safer or make
the US a more competitive country in the end?

 Cities such as Los Angeles
> that were known for decades as the worst smog cities are not far cleaner
> thanks to years of successful programs to cut pollutants.  Maybe your city
> needs to look at what Los Angeles has done.

Our city is so in denial its pathetic. We get our news from tv and if tv
dont' want to better the city then we don't care . Action from working class
people and immigrants and criminals seldom is spurred on by our news media.
I simply think because if people knew how much more illness we actualy get
more people would leave then they already are doing.I think their billion
dollar advertising budget would suffer. For the life of me I don't
understand how societies let this continue. . If we had clean air allot of
time and I was complaining cause I wanted it 99 percent instead of 80
percent that would be one thing. If we didn't have commercial after
commercial for respiratory meds and rated f from American Lung Association
and if we any politician do much  more with a press that cared that would be
one thing but nada. just day after day of commericals for asthma meds, lung
centers and car commericals without weather people giving pollution facts or
tell people about the largest number of people with asthma lving here or
largest number of people with depression , not to mention the huge numbers
with cancer and depression.
Its like living in the twilight zone here. People were known to boo Santa ,
maybe now they are known to killing people more then most cities and
countries of the world. Maybe they are mad but don't know why they don't
feel well and I am perfectly serious. We don't give our citizens jobs and
enough clean air to make them want to succeed. I literally only care about
meds and finding somewhere to escape from this air. You should see my air
filter after one month This is all the most unbelievable nightmare I never
ever wish on someone else in another city. In our city when we exercise in
moderate or worse air we actually might do more harm then good. and on and
on and on.
miles - 20 Oct 2007 08:07 GMT
>  I didn't believe in conspiracies before I do now.

You've mentioned that many times but you have failed to define exactly
what the conspiracy is.  Who exactly is involved, what exactly did they
do and whom did they conspire with.  Saying buzz words like power hungry
government, big business etc. is meaningless.  Who did what exacty?
mcs - 21 Oct 2007 04:46 GMT
>>  I didn't believe in conspiracies before I do now.
>
> You've mentioned that many times but you have failed to define exactly
> what the conspiracy is.

The conspiracy is to watch obvious things happen and all for the same
reason. Your not here but besides the most depression (* i have that now) ,
one of the most violent ( 3 people I know have been shot) , day after day of
hundred of commericals for asthma  and lung centers ( I have asthma) and yet
we hear about tummy tucks and newst drug for cancer but our cities news
department ignore totally the pollution and the reasons why people need the
medications and hospitals they pump.
 I have never seen the national press ever do stories on pollution damages
or give the links to damages I have shown from websites and studies. They
talk about global warming but rarely the damage from pollution. Now if it
were small I can understand so little attention paid, but I think its the
biggest precipator to illness ongoing  except maybe smoking and poor diet. .
To ignore that is certainly paramount to ignore a very threatning thing
going on. Of course miles if you can look at my air filter after a month and
not tell me this inhaled over years don't produce less healthy people over
and over again, without politicians or gov getting people to know about the
damages, then we disagree what a conspiracy is.

 Who exactly is involved, what exactly did they
> do and whom did they conspire with.  Saying buzz words like power hungry
> government, big business etc. is meaningless.  Who did what exacty?
miles - 21 Oct 2007 07:23 GMT
> The conspiracy is to watch obvious things happen and all for the same
> reason.

Thats not a conspiracy.  You refuse to state who exactly is involved in
this conspiracy.  Whom are they conspiring with etc.  You can't name
anyone at all. Your conspiracy doesn't seem to involve anyone in particular.
 
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